Panasonic ZT60 (now ZT65)

[Deleted member 2457]

Can we have a group hug and try to make Ben sick?

 

[bigboss]

Can we have a group hug and try to make Ben sick?

Come on BB, I love you guys.

I love you guys too!! :rofl:

Come on gel!

 

[bigboss]

Can we have a group hug and try to make Ben sick?

 

[BIGBERNARDBRESSLAW]

Can we have a group hug and try to make Ben sick?

Come on BB, I love you guys.

 

[strapped for cash]

Please, no more aggro, it's making me want a cigarette (six days without tobacco and counting)...

 

[BIGBERNARDBRESSLAW]

I love you more!!

 

[BIGBERNARDBRESSLAW]

Please, no more aggro, it's making me want a cigarette (six days without tobacco and counting)...

I love you too!!

 

[BIGBERNARDBRESSLAW]

gel doesn't love us.

 

[bigboss]

gel doesn't love us.

 

[Deleted member 2457]

gel doesn't love us.

Guys I am trying to get some sleep.

Love you too!

 

[strapped for cash]

I think Gel's gone to bed, which you should never do on an argument. You'll have to postpone the hug-in until tomorrow.

Gel, come back, all is forgiven!

 

[BIGBERNARDBRESSLAW]

gel doesn't love us.

Guys I am trying to get some sleep.

Love you too!

Bed is for love gel, not sleeping.

Apart from mine obviously.

 

[Deleted member 2457]

I think Gel's gone to bed, which you should never do on an argument. You'll have to postpone the hug-in until tomorrow.

Gel, come back, all is forgiven!

 

[ellisdj]

The info I posted was from the HD TV Test website where the reviews are very in depth and accurate to my limited experience

The 65 was the flagship vt of last year and the first panel from Panasonic to hit near the Kuro black level that's what that part of the review basically says in THX cinema mode only.

so the black level is better on their 65inch over all other models - again contrary to gels comment.

I think the lack in brightness/ luminance white outputmight be to do with power consumption - international law and opinion has gone more green since 2008 - thanks to Arny in LA lol. Lower brightness lower power consumption.

the ZT does look good in the vids - fingers crossed it is as I would love to upgrade to 60" - needs to be a lot better to get my cash though as I have no real complaint in the 5090 performance. Most av kit you live with its flaws - you all know what I mean there. My tv has been perfect no manufacture flaws since day 1 fingers crossed.

I have also found the better my blu ray players have got - the better the blu ray material has got and the better my electronics have got I.e out with my pioneer receiver and in with the meridian kit the better my Kuro has looked. Even to the point of a HDMI cable change has made a difference in certain areas - movement, shadow detail. The pioneer receiver was hampering the TV picture quality - not by a lot by it still was compared to the Meridian.

i can see the ZT image looks more lush and glossy in the still images and demo material- the Kuro used to look like that compared to older pannys - it's the first model out to get me interested - they know that as well hence the side by side demo

 

[BenLaw]

Can we have a group hug and try to make Ben sick?

Come on BB, I love you guys.

I love you guys too!! :rofl:

Come on gel!

Oh FFS! :wall:

At least I don't have a full stomach yet this morning....!

 

[BenLaw]

Please, no more aggro, it's making me want a cigarette (six days without tobacco and counting)...

Yikes, good luck with that. You seem to be doing well so far. How many a day are you coming from?

 

[BIGBERNARDBRESSLAW]

Please, no more aggro, it's making me want a cigarette (six days without tobacco and counting)...

Yikes, good luck with that. You seem to be doing well so far. How many a day are you coming from?

No reply yet? Must've nipped out for a ***.

 

[strapped for cash]

The info I posted was from the HD TV Test website where the reviews are very in depth and accurate to my limited experience

The 65 was the flagship vt of last year and the first panel from Panasonic to hit near the Kuro black level that's what that part of the review basically says in THX cinema mode only.

so the black level is better on their 65inch over all other models - again contrary to gels comment.

I think the lack in brightness/ luminance white outputmight be to do with power consumption - international law and opinion has gone more green since 2008 - thanks to Arny in LA lol. Lower brightness lower power consumption.

the ZT does look good in the vids - fingers crossed it is as I would love to upgrade to 60" - needs to be a lot better to get my cash though as I have no real complaint in the 5090 performance. Most av kit you live with its flaws - you all know what I mean there. My tv has been perfect no manufacture flaws since day 1 fingers crossed.

I have also found the better my blu ray players have got - the better the blu ray material has got and the better my electronics have got I.e out with my pioneer receiver and in with the meridian kit the better my Kuro has looked. Even to the point of a HDMI cable change has made a difference in certain areas - movement, shadow detail. The pioneer receiver was hampering the TV picture quality - not by a lot by it still was compared to the Meridian.

i can see the ZT image looks more lush and glossy in the still images and demo material- the Kuro used to look like that compared to older pannys - it's the first model out to get me interested - they know that as well hence the side by side demo

Hi EllisDJ,

Sure, I understand all that; I just scanned your post rather than reading it properly (hence the stupid reply)!

 

[strapped for cash]

Please, no more aggro, it's making me want a cigarette (six days without tobacco and counting)...

Yikes, good luck with that. You seem to be doing well so far. How many a day are you coming from?

No reply yet? Must've nipped out for a ***.

I haven't cracked yet, though looking at vertical bands during camera pans isn't helping.

For the record, this problem has become more noticeable with time, which is exactly what happened with the first set. I've aged the panel pretty aggressively (though responsibly). I work from home and I've left the TV on during waking hours; it has 250-300 hours use now, so should be reaching a point where any kinks start to smooth out. Rather, the major kink is becoming more prominent.

I'm calling John Lewis tomorrow. I may even audition a Sony 853. A few months back, I would have considered discussing an LED TV purchase heresy.

 

[StanleyAV]

We all should be a bit more friendly here and down to earth, :cheers: If you have any big guns
to fire off launch them at Panasonic! No matter how it benchmarks in tests and how wonderful
the praise in magazines and websites, there is ONLY one test that matters and that is how it
performs in your own home. :?

At £4K, a prospective owner should insist on a home demo., a serious cinemaphile should not
make rash decisions after a 10minute view in a dealer's showroom! :rofl:
Nor listen to the corporate spiel at CES or European launches!! :hand:

I would be deeply concerned about after sales, often on production Panasonic models I hear from
members, that the panel couldn't be replaced because there are none in the country,
I think this was the case for OldBoy (this forum). The ZT60 is a specialist panel, so what
will the spares situation be like for buying into what is effectively a limited production run? :O

Let's hear less about specs and more about real world performance and ownership issues.

 

[strapped for cash]

How many a day are you coming from?

Sorry Ben, I didn't answer that question. I've smoked 25-30 a day for more than 20 years.

The vote of confidence helps! The 24 hour service station just down the road doesn't. I'm still hanging in there. Experience has taught me that if I have just one cigarette, I'll be smoking as many as before within days.

 

[BIGBERNARDBRESSLAW]

My wife read this and gave up realtively easily, it's got great reviews.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Allen-Carrs-Easy-Stop-Smoking/dp/0718194551/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1361120963&sr=1-1

 

[strapped for cash]

I read that myself quite a few years back. I may still have the book somewhere around.

I think the only way quit is to be tough on yourself. I'll report back in a week on my progress. Having made it this far (the first week feels like a long time), I'll be furious with myself if I slip up now.

 

[Son_of_SJ]

Just found this on the review of the 65VT50 - quite interesting and in complete stark opposite contrast to what Gel said earlier in the thread

The Panasonic TX-P65VT50′s best contrast performance is reserved for the [THX Cinema] mode. This mode achieves startlingly deep black levels which measure at an incredibly deep 0.005 cd/m2, combined with whites that reach around 90 cd/m2 (we say “around” because it depends on the average picture level of the content). The only flat-screen HDTVs to better these results are the last KURO plasma televisions produced before Pioneer exited the TV business (not surprisingly, most owners of those displays are unwilling to part with them). Our review of the Pioneer PDP-LX5090 back in 2008 found black levels of 0.003 cd/m2, making the Panasonic TX-P65VT50′s 0.005 cd/m2 a very close match (it will be impossible to see the difference of 0.002 cd/m2 without scrutinising both screens, side by side, in a pitch black room). It’s taken a while for Panasonic to (more or less) match the absolute black depth of Pioneer’s long-gone displays, but they’ve achieved it at the 65″ size – in one of the picture modes. The overall contrast performance is still not as high, though, because the KURO plasmas could produce searingly bright whites as well.

.......
In the [Professional] modes, which do unlock the full range of calibration options, contrast performance takes a hit. Black rises to 0.016 cd/m2, which is still excellent, but is no longer in KURO territory. More worryingly, peak light output is significantly dimmed, with a full 100% white window measuring just 65 cd/m2 after calibration (down from an already dim-ish 70 cd/m2 before

Where did you find this rubbish? And I said nothing of the performance of the VT50 65 inch get your facts straight before going throwing the odds!

Everybody knows a smaller screen will give a better black reading, so it is complete rubbish! But hey most people posting on this thread have talked nothing but rubbish!

Hello gel,

I'm not sure if that's always right about a smaller screen giving a better black reading. Certainly Steve Withers of AV Forums didn't think so when he reviewed my Samsung PS64D8000, here http://www.avforums.com/reviews/Samsung-D8000-(PS-64D8000)-3D-Plasma-TV-Review_213/Review.html , and specifically this paragraph "The one area where Samsung's plasmas have traditionally had a weakness has been black levels but it would seem that the company has stepped up a notch this year. Last year there were reports of big differences in black levels depending on the refresh rate of the panel and this year we have had similar reports, along with suggestions that the black levels are better on the larger panels. Well, since we had already reviewed the PS51D8000, the arrival of the PS64D8000 allowed us an opportunity to check these claims. Whilst it is true that the measured black level does vary depending on the output refresh rate of the panel, to our surprise the overall black level measurements of the 64" panel actually were slightly better than the 51" version."

 

[Deleted member 2457]

I am trying to stay away from this thread.

http://www.digitalversus.com/tv-television/panasonic-viera-tx-p50vt50-p13511/test.html

But here you will see what the Panasonic 50VT50 measures in at.

When HomeCinemaChoice done the black ratings the 5090 measured in better than the 6090.

Like I said I am going to take a break.