Panasonic ZT60 (now ZT65)

[Deleted member 2457]

Gel, you're reminding me of someone who was an aggressive supporter of Panasonic TVs recently!

Says the aggressive Pioneer fanboy! Who accuses people of saying things they did not!

Any evidence to support your allegation? Have I ever said that the Pioneer Kuro is better than the newer Panasonics in performance?

What's happened to you gel? I've noticed that since a few weeks, you're getting annoyed at even small things. You've never been like this before.

Yep you said I called you an idiot, forgotten already? What has happened to your memory, why don't you go back and read!

 

[bigboss]

Btw BB if you are such an expert when it comes to demos, why are you commenting upon a video clip for a comparison against the VT50? Surely you already know which one was better from your demo experience?

There's no way I can compare the Kuro & VT50 side by side, so I cannot comment. In any case, it's a pointless comparison, as the Kuro is no longer available to buy. I was impressed by the VT50, & it was definitely the best on the shop. If I was in the market for a plasma today, it would be the VT50.

 

[BIGBERNARDBRESSLAW]

Just found this on the review of the 65VT50 - quite interesting and in complete stark opposite contrast to what Gel said earlier in the thread

The Panasonic TX-P65VT50′s best contrast performance is reserved for the [THX Cinema] mode. This mode achieves startlingly deep black levels which measure at an incredibly deep 0.005 cd/m2, combined with whites that reach around 90 cd/m2 (we say “around” because it depends on the average picture level of the content). The only flat-screen HDTVs to better these results are the last KURO plasma televisions produced before Pioneer exited the TV business (not surprisingly, most owners of those displays are unwilling to part with them). Our review of the Pioneer PDP-LX5090 back in 2008 found black levels of 0.003 cd/m2, making the Panasonic TX-P65VT50′s 0.005 cd/m2 a very close match (it will be impossible to see the difference of 0.002 cd/m2 without scrutinising both screens, side by side, in a pitch black room). It’s taken a while for Panasonic to (more or less) match the absolute black depth of Pioneer’s long-gone displays, but they’ve achieved it at the 65″ size – in one of the picture modes. The overall contrast performance is still not as high, though, because the KURO plasmas could produce searingly bright whites as well.

.......
In the [Professional] modes, which do unlock the full range of calibration options, contrast performance takes a hit. Black rises to 0.016 cd/m2, which is still excellent, but is no longer in KURO territory. More worryingly, peak light output is significantly dimmed, with a full 100% white window measuring just 65 cd/m2 after calibration (down from an already dim-ish 70 cd/m2 before

Where did you find this rubbish? And I said nothing of the performance of the VT50 65 inch get your facts straight before going throwing the odds!

Everybody knows a smaller screen will give a better black reading, so it is complete rubbish! But hey most people posting on this thread have talked nothing but rubbish!

The storm has hit land.

 

[bigboss]

Gel, you're reminding me of someone who was an aggressive supporter of Panasonic TVs recently!

Says the aggressive Pioneer fanboy! Who accuses people of saying things they did not!

Any evidence to support your allegation? Have I ever said that the Pioneer Kuro is better than the newer Panasonics in performance?

What's happened to you gel? I've noticed that since a few weeks, you're getting annoyed at even small things. You've never been like this before.

Yep you said I called you an idiot, forgotten already? What has happened to your memory, why don't you go back and read!

...and I have already apologised you for the misunderstanding on my part. Have you forgotten that?

 

[Deleted member 2457]

Gel, you're reminding me of someone who was an aggressive supporter of Panasonic TVs recently!

Says the aggressive Pioneer fanboy! Who accuses people of saying things they did not!

Any evidence to support your allegation? Have I ever said that the Pioneer Kuro is better than the newer Panasonics in performance?

What's happened to you gel? I've noticed that since a few weeks, you're getting annoyed at even small things. You've never been like this before.

Yep you said I called you an idiot, forgotten already? What has happened to your memory, why don't you go back and read!

...and I have already apologised you for the misunderstanding on my part. Have you forgotten that?

So have I to you, so why are you bringing it up again?

 

[Deleted member 2457]

Btw BB if you are such an expert when it comes to demos, why are you commenting upon a video clip for a comparison against the VT50? Surely you already know which one was better from your demo experience?

There's no way I can compare the Kuro & VT50 side by side, so I cannot comment. In any case, it's a pointless comparison, as the Kuro is no longer available to buy. I was impressed by the VT50, & it was definitely the best on the shop. If I was in the market for a plasma today, it would be the VT50.

Fair enough.

 

[bigboss]

Gel, you're reminding me of someone who was an aggressive supporter of Panasonic TVs recently!

Says the aggressive Pioneer fanboy! Who accuses people of saying things they did not!

Any evidence to support your allegation? Have I ever said that the Pioneer Kuro is better than the newer Panasonics in performance?

What's happened to you gel? I've noticed that since a few weeks, you're getting annoyed at even small things. You've never been like this before.

Yep you said I called you an idiot, forgotten already? What has happened to your memory, why don't you go back and read!

...and I have already apologised you for the misunderstanding on my part. Have you forgotten that?

So have I to you, so why are you bringing it up again?

I didn't. You're accusing me of accusing people of saying things they did not, despite me having apologised for the same.

 

[bigboss]

Gel, you're reminding me of someone who was an aggressive supporter of Panasonic TVs recently!

Btw BB you started that not me, and another member has already backed that up! But hey you think you are always right, even though it is obvious you are not!

Let's revisit, shall we? You posted a video of the comparison, & the colours on the Kuro didn't look right to me (I have no issues with the ZT60, I have said time and again that it is likely to be the best performing TV available to buy). So I merely reproduced the settings, & yes, the colours looked washed, just like the test.

It's not the case of "I'm always right", rather simply a case that the colours of the Kuro shown in the comparison is nothing like what I'm seeing on mine for the past three and a half years.

 

[Deleted member 2457]

Gel, you're reminding me of someone who was an aggressive supporter of Panasonic TVs recently!

Btw BB you started that not me, and another member has already backed that up! But hey you think you are always right, even though it is obvious you are not!

Let's revisit, shall we? You posted a video of the comparison, & the colours on the Kuro didn't look right to me (I have no issues with the ZT60, I have said time and again that it is likely to be the best performing TV available to buy). So I merely reproduced the settings, & yes, the colours looked washed, just like the test.

It's not the case of "I'm always right", rather simply a case that the colours of the Kuro shown in the comparison is nothing like what I'm seeing on mine for the past three and a half years.

Which is fair enough, I only commented upon what I saw in the video too, what is wrong with that? You thought I called you an idiot did not, then you said you could not care less what I think, if you had forgotten that too?

 

[BenLaw]

Ok, chill out guys. Gel you do seem on a short fuse, BB no need for any antagonism. Remember the sick making love from the other day chaps

 

[BIGBERNARDBRESSLAW]

Gel, you're reminding me of someone who was an aggressive supporter of Panasonic TVs recently!

Says the aggressive Pioneer fanboy! Who accuses people of saying things they did not!

Any evidence to support your allegation? Have I ever said that the Pioneer Kuro is better than the newer Panasonics in performance?

What's happened to you gel? I've noticed that since a few weeks, you're getting annoyed at even small things. You've never been like this before.

Risking the wrath of gel, I have to say I agree with BB.

gel, we all care for you (as much as you can without really knowing somebody), and I have to say you do seem a little ( a lot) more aggressive when someone says something you don't agree with.

Either you've lumped all your money on Panasonic shares, or there's something wrong somewhere.

I'm saying this as a friend, please don't take it the wrong way.

 

[Deleted member 2457]

Gel, you're reminding me of someone who was an aggressive supporter of Panasonic TVs recently!

Says the aggressive Pioneer fanboy! Who accuses people of saying things they did not!

Any evidence to support your allegation? Have I ever said that the Pioneer Kuro is better than the newer Panasonics in performance?

What's happened to you gel? I've noticed that since a few weeks, you're getting annoyed at even small things. You've never been like this before.

Yep you said I called you an idiot, forgotten already? What has happened to your memory, why don't you go back and read!

...and I have already apologised you for the misunderstanding on my part. Have you forgotten that?

So have I to you, so why are you bringing it up again?

I didn't. You're accusing me of accusing people of saying things they did not, despite me having apologised for the same.

You said I was an aggressive Panasonic TV fan?

 

[bigboss]

Which is fair enough, I only commented upon what I saw in the video too, what is wrong with that? You thought I called you an idiot did not, then you said you could not care less what I think, if you had forgotten that too?

There's nothing wrong with your observation of the video & I never challenged that. I merely commented on my experience.

Gel gel gel, haven't we agreed that bygones are bygones? Which means we must forget anything we said to each other before that! I'm only following the promise I made on my end.

 

[Deleted member 2457]

Gel, you're reminding me of someone who was an aggressive supporter of Panasonic TVs recently!

Says the aggressive Pioneer fanboy! Who accuses people of saying things they did not!

Any evidence to support your allegation? Have I ever said that the Pioneer Kuro is better than the newer Panasonics in performance?

What's happened to you gel? I've noticed that since a few weeks, you're getting annoyed at even small things. You've never been like this before.

Risking the wrath of gel, I have to say I agree with BB.

gel, we all care for you (as much as you can without really knowing somebody), and I have to say you do seem a little ( a lot) more aggressive when someone says something you don't agree with.

Either you've lumped all your money on Panasonic shares, or there's something wrong somewhere.

I'm saying this as a friend, please don't take it the wrong way.

Just posting the way other people are posting all the time that is all.

 

[Deleted member 2457]

Which is fair enough, I only commented upon what I saw in the video too, what is wrong with that? You thought I called you an idiot did not, then you said you could not care less what I think, if you had forgotten that too?

There's nothing wrong with your observation of the video & I never challenged that. I merely commented on my experience.

Gel gel gel, haven't we agreed that bygones are bygones? Which means we must forget anything we said to each other before that! I'm only following the promise I made on my end.

Finally yes please!

Mates and I am not going to say anything more on it, promise.

 

[bigboss]

You said I was an aggressive Panasonic TV fan?

In general, you have become a bit aggressive in your posts in the last few weeks. I've never known you to be confrontational, & this is the 2nd thread I've noticed your aggression. You've been the most gentle forum member I've ever known. I'm only bringing this up to you as a friend.

 

[Deleted member 2457]

You said I was an aggressive Panasonic TV fan?

In general, you have become a bit aggressive in your posts in the last few weeks. I've never known you to be confrontational, & this is the 2nd thread I've noticed your aggression. You've been the most gentle forum member I've ever known. I'm only bringing this up to you as a friend.

BB as your friend too, that is fair enough, I will cool it. Go back to being chilled, it is hard to explain things on a forum, you know me, if you want me to explain it else where I will. Thanks for the advice.

 

[bigboss]

Finally yes please!

Mates and I am not going to say anything more on it, promise.

:cheers:

 

[BIGBERNARDBRESSLAW]

I don't think people are always so aggressive with their postings; yes I see confrontation sometimes, I am occasionally guilty of that, but from you it's a recent thing gel.

I don't think BB has said anything out of order, but you have reacted in a very un-gel like way towards him on occasions.

Again, I have to say I'm saying this as a friend, this is really not like you.

You're not Cloverleaf in disguise are you?

 

[Deleted member 2457]

Finally yes please!

Mates and I am not going to say anything more on it, promise.

:cheers:

:cheers:

 

[bigboss]

You're not Cloverleaf in disguise are you?

I've noticed you giving a cold shoulder to cloverleaf in some of recent posts.

Mmmm...not going there.

 

[bigboss]

You're not Cloverleaf in disguise are you?

I've noticed you giving a cold shoulder to cloverleaf in some of recent posts.

 

[Deleted member 2457]

I don't think people are always so aggressive with their postings; yes I see confrontation sometimes, I am occasionally guilty of that, but from you it's a recent thing gel.

I don't think BB has said anything out of order, but you have reacted in a very un-gel like way towards him on occasions.

Again, I have to say I'm saying this as a friend, this is really not like you.

You're not Cloverleaf in disguise are you?

Nope.

We have agreed at mates end off.

 

[BIGBERNARDBRESSLAW]

You're not Cloverleaf in disguise are you?

I've noticed you giving a cold shoulder to cloverleaf in some of recent posts.

Mmmm...not going there.

 

[BIGBERNARDBRESSLAW]

Can we have a group hug and try to make Ben sick?