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CES Hands On - Samsung HW-Q990F review
ellisdj said:
To me, the KRP vs. ZT65 (or even 5090/6090 vs. VT65/ZT65) debate is only relevant if you're a Pioneer owner. While the Pioneers remain absolutely fantastic TVs, there's little sense in buying a second hand Pioneer that will very soon run out of warranty.
I can only think of three reasons for Kuro owners to replace their TVs right now:
1) They want a bigger screen
2) They really want 3D (smart features are available on a £50 BDP, after all)
3) Their TV breaks
I dont see why people fret over warranties - the fear of TVs breaking I find quite extraordinary - the people who have had problems dont seem to get great results from having the warranty any way by the looks of it.
Maybe its because I have never owned a Panasonic TV......
Maybe its because I have never owned a Panasonic TV......
ellisdj said:I dont see why people fret over warranties - the fear of TVs breaking I find quite extraordinary - the people who have had problems dont seem to get great results from having the warranty any way by the looks of it.
Maybe its because I have never owned a Panasonic TV......
It's more a question of value. A five year old TV is unlikely to last as long as a brand new TV, and may develop niggles sooner (consider reports of red tinted blacks on ninth gen Kuros). A second hand Kuro may give the owner many years of trouble free viewing, but if a problem develops, things can get expensive.
This isn't me knocking Pioneer at all; what Pioneer did with plasma technology was remarkable at the time and price. It's telling that it's taken Panasonic this long to match 5090/6090 black levels. Even Panasonic's professional monitors couldn't do this.
FWIW, if I owned a 5090/6090 or KRP, I'd keep it for now.
As Requested some Batman Pics.
Please bear in mind my room has a lot of ambient light - its middle of the day and its bright sunshine shinning into the living room - I have curtains closed but you can still see some reflection of the curtains in some of the pics
Also I dont always get a clean pause on the blu ray sometimes its a bit blurred because the shot is moving
http://imageshack.us/a/img211/334/dsc02461ho.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img594/1118/dsc02462uo.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img15/7290/dsc02463gl.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img826/9128/dsc02464wm.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img818/6708/dsc02467hp.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img69/2416/dsc02472m.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img843/184/dsc02473x.jpg
Also to point out |I have the sharpness completely off on the Plasma - still sharp image because of greascale calibration
Please bear in mind my room has a lot of ambient light - its middle of the day and its bright sunshine shinning into the living room - I have curtains closed but you can still see some reflection of the curtains in some of the pics
Also I dont always get a clean pause on the blu ray sometimes its a bit blurred because the shot is moving
http://imageshack.us/a/img211/334/dsc02461ho.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img594/1118/dsc02462uo.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img15/7290/dsc02463gl.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img826/9128/dsc02464wm.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img818/6708/dsc02467hp.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img69/2416/dsc02472m.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img843/184/dsc02473x.jpg
Also to point out |I have the sharpness completely off on the Plasma - still sharp image because of greascale calibration
ellisdj said:
wow, will have to see what my gt50 looks like against these when i get it back, those look awesome
gel said:
I could add pics, but I've only got a low resolution digital camera on my phone, so I doubt the resulting images would be worth posting. This is why I've never added system pics.
I can say that adjusting contrast and brightness (using AVS test patterns to set the TV up) has resulted in very different images from the pics you linked to, which as EllisDJ points out, seem to crush blacks quite a bit (I also used Mark's greyscale and CMS settings as a way of roughly tuning out the TV's out of the box green tint.) Obviously this is all far from ideal, but these settings will do until I get a full calibration. The picture already looks cleaner. punchier and more natural than the GT50, as you'd of course hope.
Yeah its the LX55 - I have messed about with it a lot - the best settign in a calibrated screen I think is PDP.
I was using it on custom with detail +1 which I would suggest on a non calibrated screen.
I am actually thinking of chaning it for a Marantz UD7007. I want a reference quality player and I think the Pioneer is very good but my system warrants a bit more. Veyr hard finding info on the Maranzt I am hoping to get a home demo to test up against the Pioneer
I was using it on custom with detail +1 which I would suggest on a non calibrated screen.
I am actually thinking of chaning it for a Marantz UD7007. I want a reference quality player and I think the Pioneer is very good but my system warrants a bit more. Veyr hard finding info on the Maranzt I am hoping to get a home demo to test up against the Pioneer
ellisdj said:
Yep, I felt the same when I was using my 71 on the 5090, I didn't think I was getting the best from the screen on Blu-ray, but I have to say on my GT50 my Pioneer looks awesome! It is brighter and Blu-ray does look better, I wouldn't change my Blu-ray player now.
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To me, the KRP vs. ZT65 (or even 5090/6090 vs. VT65/ZT65) debate is only relevant if you're a Pioneer owner. While the Pioneers remain absolutely fantastic TVs, there's little sense in buying a second hand Pioneer that will very soon run out of warranty.
I can only think of three reasons for Kuro owners to replace their TVs right now:
1) They want a bigger screen
2) They really want 3D (smart features are available on a £50 BDP, after all)
3) Their TV breaks
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Predominantly point 1 in my case. Time will tell whether WHF and HDTVtest agree with AVForum's conclusion that the ZT65 is an improvement on the Kuro for picture quality (likewise those who attend the upcoming demo's), but if it only matches the Kuro but with a 20% increase in screen size then I'm happy.
If I'd had the money to buy a 65" Kuro at the time then it might be a different equation now, but I didn't, so I couldn't; though ironically a 65" screen wouldn't fit in my current living room set-up anyway, so guess it all works out in the end.
To me, the KRP vs. ZT65 (or even 5090/6090 vs. VT65/ZT65) debate is only relevant if you're a Pioneer owner. While the Pioneers remain absolutely fantastic TVs, there's little sense in buying a second hand Pioneer that will very soon run out of warranty.
I can only think of three reasons for Kuro owners to replace their TVs right now:
1) They want a bigger screen
2) They really want 3D (smart features are available on a £50 BDP, after all)
3) Their TV breaks
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Predominantly point 1 in my case. Time will tell whether WHF and HDTVtest agree with AVForum's conclusion that the ZT65 is an improvement on the Kuro for picture quality (likewise those who attend the upcoming demo's), but if it only matches the Kuro but with a 20% increase in screen size then I'm happy.
If I'd had the money to buy a 65" Kuro at the time then it might be a different equation now, but I didn't, so I couldn't; though ironically a 65" screen wouldn't fit in my current living room set-up anyway, so guess it all works out in the end.
Non calibratred Kuro image looks flat - just like all tv's really - getting that greyscale in give the image real pop and that creates depth.
They didnt make a 65"" - i think 60" is the perfect size - I wish I had bought the 60" as well
That would be why I would but the ZT
Sounds like you had your Pioneer set up very wrong to me Gel - the 71 has various video options - from memory Pioneer or Professional was best.
However the LX55 I think has better pic than the 71, a more refined sound, the 71 has a more bassy sound but not as clean.
They didnt make a 65"" - i think 60" is the perfect size - I wish I had bought the 60" as well
That would be why I would but the ZT
Sounds like you had your Pioneer set up very wrong to me Gel - the 71 has various video options - from memory Pioneer or Professional was best.
However the LX55 I think has better pic than the 71, a more refined sound, the 71 has a more bassy sound but not as clean.
ellisdj said:
It is set up fine to be honest, I have seen it on about seven TVs now, and I used two other Blu-ray players on the Pioneer. It was not bad on amything, it was really good, just the GT50 is better.
Pics of TV on the Calibtated Kuro off Virgin Tivo which is not the best for pic. 1080i no upscaling Meridian doesnt upscale
Look at the pop the image has got - thats with the contrast on 33 (+3), brightness 0 and sharpness -15 or off - still to see any pics of the new Pannys plasmas that anything like this.... can you upload some Gel?
I took the pictures from a side of central seating psoiton and just zoomed in with the camera so not an optimal positon
http://imageshack.us/a/img690/2640/dsc02485vs.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img109/884/dsc02491hc.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img705/3497/dsc02487a.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img11/7523/dsc02492fs.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img62/6586/dsc02503yh.jpg
Look at the pop the image has got - thats with the contrast on 33 (+3), brightness 0 and sharpness -15 or off - still to see any pics of the new Pannys plasmas that anything like this.... can you upload some Gel?
I took the pictures from a side of central seating psoiton and just zoomed in with the camera so not an optimal positon
http://imageshack.us/a/img690/2640/dsc02485vs.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img109/884/dsc02491hc.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img705/3497/dsc02487a.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img11/7523/dsc02492fs.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img62/6586/dsc02503yh.jpg
ellisdj said:
What would you like me to upload photos of?
Have you seen my YouTube videos:
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BKL3xfvXvk8
anything that shows the GTT50 to be better than the LX5090 - that shows it to be better than the pics I have posted
That video is not working? if they are the same videos as vefore the blacks were crushed - I said that at the time If I remember
That video is not working? if they are the same videos as vefore the blacks were crushed - I said that at the time If I remember
ellisdj said:
I got much better ones than that!
http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=plcp&v=WEK19gQbDDA
Can you see this one? If not what device have you got? Can you use a different one?
Can you see this one? If not what device have you got? Can you use a different one?
Okay this one has been linked on my laptop:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKL3xfvXvk8
Does it work?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKL3xfvXvk8
Does it work?
gel said:
That one works but is only 480p and is a black mess mate sorry - no darkness / shadow defintion at all. Its not a very good video
ellisdj said:
Strange how some people like YouTube videos and some don't!
Can you produce a better one then? I would like to see you try.
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