Nice mains cables

[drummerman]

They don't use expensive cables (speaker or mains) in professional recording studios where they master at very high bit rates so spending over the odds on cables for your system at home is a waste.

Agree.

With some of sxxt coming out of recording/mixing studios, what does that mean/proof?

Nothing.

Happy Sunday everyone x

 

[drummerman]

It means that nothing can improve if you have sxxt to start with

True and the best reason I've heard so far to use crxxx cables.

 

[Gazzip]

It means that nothing can improve if you have sxxt to start with

Yes, but it can get sxxtter.

 

[drummerman]

It means that nothing can improve if you have sxxt to start with

Yes, but it can get sxxtter.

Ah yes, forgot about that.

I guess, at that point anyone would be beyond caring and may just use a Roberts Radio as TrevC &Co probably do (because they sound the same as the best hifi)

 

[TrevC]

It means that nothing can improve if you have sxxt to start with

Yes, but it can get sxxtter.

Ah yes, forgot about that.

I guess, at that point anyone would be beyond caring and may just use a Roberts Radio as TrevC &Co probably do (because they sound the same as the best hifi)

Meoww!!

 

[drummerman]

It means that nothing can improve if you have sxxt to start with

Yes, but it can get sxxtter.

Ah yes, forgot about that.

I guess, at that point anyone would be beyond caring and may just use a Roberts Radio as TrevC &Co probably do (because they sound the same as the best hifi)

Meoww!!

Happy, sunny Sunday to you x

 

[Native_bon]

I think your missing the point. If professional recording studio's do not see the need, or experience any lost of information during recording, mixing or mastering then why the need for such expensive cables. If that was the case recording studio's would invest in the most expensive cables available but they dnt. Your expensive cables cannot retrieve what is not there.

Yes you would say get all the information available, but its just an expensive item sold to the gullible or those with much to spend, or may be to achieve a sense of pride & nothing more.

 

[Gazzip]

I think your missing the point. If professional recording studio's do not see the need, or experience any lost of information during recording, mixing or mastering then why the need for such expensive cables. If that was the case recording studio's would invest in the most expensive cables available but they dnt. Your expensive cables cannot retrieve what is not there.

Yes you would say get all the information available, but its just an expensive item sold to the gullible or those with much to spend, or may be to achieve a sense of pride & nothing more.

The basis of this argument seems to be that a recording studio full of professional sound engineers would use exotic, expensive cables if they made any difference, however small that difference may be to SQ. I don't think that they would. Why would they? They are employed to make recordings in a commercial environment, their remit is not to provide a 100% perfect signal for an audiophile's Hifi. They use cheap robust cables that can be easily replaced because it is not financially viable to use anything else. They are good enough for their purposes.

Can you imagine some young band booking a studio for an hour to make a demo and walking out having accidentally packed up £10K's worth of Nordost cables with their gear?! The studio would be bust within a year.

I think the argument that studios would use expensive cables if there was a measurable difference in SQ is full of assumption.

 

[Native_bon]

I think your missing the point. If professional recording studio's do not see the need, or experience any lost of information during recording, mixing or mastering then why the need for such expensive cables. If that was the case recording studio's would invest in the most expensive cables available but they dnt. Your expensive cables cannot retrieve what is not there.

Yes you would say get all the information available, but its just an expensive item sold to the gullible or those with much to spend, or may be to achieve a sense of pride & nothing more.

The basis of this argument seems to be that a recording studio full of professional sound engineers would use exotic, expensive cables if they made any difference, however small that difference may be to SQ. I don't think that they would. Why would they? They are employed to make recordings in a commercial environment, their remit is not to provide a 100% perfect signal for an audiophile's Hifi. They use cheap robust cables that can be easily replaced because it is not financially viable to use anything else. They are good enough for their purposes.

Can you imagine some young band booking a studio for an hour to make a demo and walking out having accidentally packed up £10K's worth of Nordost cables with their gear?! The studio would be bust within a year.

I think the argument that studios would use expensive cables if there was a measurable difference in SQ is full of assumption.

And hollywood?

 

[TrevC]

I think your missing the point. If professional recording studio's do not see the need, or experience any lost of information during recording, mixing or mastering then why the need for such expensive cables. If that was the case recording studio's would invest in the most expensive cables available but they dnt. Your expensive cables cannot retrieve what is not there.

Yes you would say get all the information available, but its just an expensive item sold to the gullible or those with much to spend, or may be to achieve a sense of pride & nothing more.

The basis of this argument seems to be that a recording studio full of professional sound engineers would use exotic, expensive cables if they made any difference, however small that difference may be to SQ. I don't think that they would. Why would they? They are employed to make recordings in a commercial environment, their remit is not to provide a 100% perfect signal for an audiophile's Hifi. They use cheap robust cables that can be easily replaced because it is not financially viable to use anything else. They are good enough for their purposes.

Can you imagine some young band booking a studio for an hour to make a demo and walking out having accidentally packed up £10K's worth of Nordost cables with their gear?! The studio would be bust within a year.

I think the argument that studios would use expensive cables if there was a measurable difference in SQ is full of assumption.

It's more likely that the engineers that set up the studios know what they are doing and also know there are no differences performance wise between dressed up Nordost nonsense and any other cables. It's called technical knowledge.

 

[Native_bon]

The Shefield lab recording studio is an award winning engineering studio. Everything is recorded live & is well recognized for its Audiophile series recordings, yet it does not see the need for expensive cables to achieve it's status.

 

[Jota180]

I think your missing the point. If professional recording studio's do not see the need, or experience any lost of information during recording, mixing or mastering then why the need for such expensive cables. If that was the case recording studio's would invest in the most expensive cables available but they dnt. Your expensive cables cannot retrieve what is not there.

Yes you would say get all the information available, but its just an expensive item sold to the gullible or those with much to spend, or may be to achieve a sense of pride & nothing more.

The basis of this argument seems to be that a recording studio full of professional sound engineers would use exotic, expensive cables if they made any difference, however small that difference may be to SQ. I don't think that they would. Why would they? They are employed to make recordings in a commercial environment, their remit is not to provide a 100% perfect signal for an audiophile's Hifi. They use cheap robust cables that can be easily replaced because it is not financially viable to use anything else. They are good enough for their purposes.

Can you imagine some young band booking a studio for an hour to make a demo and walking out having accidentally packed up £10K's worth of Nordost cables with their gear?! The studio would be bust within a year.

I think the argument that studios would use expensive cables if there was a measurable difference in SQ is full of assumption.

Sorry but that arguement does not stand up to scrutiny. If your arguement was the case they'd use cheap ass speakers, mixing desks, mics etc. These people are engineers by trade and make all their equipment purchasing decisions based on objective evidence. If there's no real evidence for claimed sonic superiority they don't waste their money on it.

 

[Jota180]

They don't use expensive cables (speaker or mains) in professional recording studios where they master at very high bit rates so spending over the odds on cables for your system at home is a waste.

Agree.

With some of sxxt coming out of recording/mixing studios, what does that mean/proof?

Nothing.

Happy Sunday everyone x

You're conflating the quality of the recording equipment with instructions from on high about how they want a particualr bands mix to be made. Totally different things. The recording should be as accurate as possible, what the mixer is instructed to do with the mix is not relevant to anything.

 

[Gazzip]

Trev, Native,

I am not trying to say that you are wrong about cables, just that the "recording studios don't use them so why would you" argument sucks badly. You can drive a bus through it guys.

When you put forward science as your anti-cable reasoning it is much more compelling.

 

[Jota180]

Trev, Native,

I am not trying to say that you are wrong about cables, just that the "recording studios don't use them so why would you" argument sucks badly. You can drive a bus through it guys.

When you put forward science as your anti-cable reasoning it is much more compelling.

Don't you think that's what engineers whose livelihood is based on this do? That also goes for mains power leads.

 

[Gazzip]

Trev, Native,

I am not trying to say that you are wrong about cables, just that the "recording studios don't use them so why would you" argument sucks badly. You can drive a bus through it guys.

When you put forward science as your anti-cable reasoning it is much more compelling.

Don't you think that's what engineers whose livelihood is based on this do? That also goes for mains power leads.

No. I think they mix/master recordings. I don't think that they give two hoots about the cables they use as long as they are robust. I doubt it is even a consideration.

 

[CnoEvil]

IIRC.

Peter Gabriel uses Kimber cable in his recording studios.

Bob Ludwig's Gateway Studio use Transparant Cable

David Gilmore's Astoria Studio also use Kimber

Skywalker Sound use MIT cables

So I believe it's fair to say that cheap and cheerful cables are not always used.

 

[Native_bon]

IIRC.

Peter Gabriel uses Kimber cable in his recording studios.

Bob Ludwig's Gateway Studio use Transparant Cable

David Gilmore's Astoria Studio also use Kimber

Skywalker sound use MIT cables

So I believe it's fair to say that cheap and cheerful cables are not always used.

Yes I agree, but some very renowed studio's do not. Is use of expensive cables prove of better performance?

 

[TrevC]

IIRC.

Peter Gabriel uses Kimber cable in his recording studios.

Bob Ludwig's Gateway Studio use Transparant Cable

David Gilmore's Astoria Studio also use Kimber

Skywalker Sound use MIT cables

So I believe it's fair to say that cheap and cheerful cables are not always used.

I expect they got them gratis.

 

[TrevC]

Trev, Native,

I am not trying to say that you are wrong about cables, just that the "recording studios don't use them so why would you" argument sucks badly. You can drive a bus through it guys.

When you put forward science as your anti-cable reasoning it is much more compelling.

It can be easily demonstrated that a £4,000,000 mains cable from Nordost will sound the same as a £1 one from the cheap box at a computer store. It only carries the mains, not any signals. If 240 volts comes out OK, then that's it. It works!

 

[CnoEvil]

IIRC.

Peter Gabriel uses Kimber cable in his recording studios.

Bob Ludwig's Gateway Studio use Transparant Cable

David Gilmore's Astoria Studio also use Kimber

Skywalker sound use MIT cables

So I believe it's fair to say that cheap and cheerful cables are not always used.

Yes I agree, but some very renowed studio's do not. Using them alone is no prove of better performance.

That is a different argument.

I was just showing that expensive cables are indeed used in some professional recording studios....which is contrary to what was stated.

 

[CnoEvil]

I expect they got them gratis.

TBF. What you "expect" is of little relevence.

The argument was being made that, since expensive cables were not used in professional recording studios, spending money that's over the odds on cables, is a waste.

Since some studios do use expensive cables, this argument is much less valid and not proof of anything (either way).

 

[Covenanter]

I thought this thread had died. It is well over 200 posts too long already.

Chris

 

[spiny norman]

I expect they got them gratis.

TrevC in expectation bias shocker! ;-)

 

[TrevC]

I expect they got them gratis.

TBF. What you "expect" is of little relevence.

The argument was being made that, since expensive cables were not used in professional recording studios, spending money that's over the odds on cables, is a waste.

Since some studios do use expensive cables, this argument is much less valid and not proof of anything (either way).

As fitting boutique cables doesn't achieve anything at all performance wise my assumption is a reasonable one. Either that or the studio owners fell for the flim flam.