Nice mains cables

[SteveR750]

That was easy.

 

[chebby]

It's just that you are 35 - 40 years late to an argument that got boring before the Web even existed!

40 years ago? Nah. There was none of this mains interconnect wire voodoo claptrap around then.

Heard of QED and Russ Andrews? One of his first mains products was the Clamp 1 in 1983. (Ok only 32 years ago.)

As for 'specialist' hi-fi interconnects and (especially) speaker cables, the arguments over those definitely existed well over 35 years ago. (QED celebrated 40 years in business 2 years ago.) Controversy over such products has been rattling on ever since. (First in the letters pages of hi-fi magazines and then, latterly, online.)

From his company history blurb ...

1979
Developed the QED Incon cables. Designing loudspeakers for ARC.

1979
Discovered cable directionality and worked on first mains block.

... unquote

36 years ago in both of those instances. So, as I said, not far off with my off-the-cuff estimate.

 

[TrevC]

It's just that you are 35 - 40 years late to an argument that got boring before the Web even existed!

40 years ago? Nah. There was none of this mains interconnect wire voodoo claptrap around then.

Heard of QED and Russ Andrews? One of his first mains products was the Clamp 1 in 1983. (Ok only 32 years ago.)

As for 'specialist' hi-fi interconnects and (especially) speaker cables, the arguments over those definitely existed well over 35 years ago. (QED celebrated 40 years in business 2 years ago.) Controversy over such products has been rattling on ever since. (First in the letters pages of hi-fi magazines and then, latterly, online.)

A fool and his money are soon parted and dishonesty have been around for far longer, but that doesn't mean we should sit back and condone it happening.

 

[chebby]

It's just that you are 35 - 40 years late to an argument that got boring before the Web even existed!

40 years ago? Nah. There was none of this mains interconnect wire voodoo claptrap around then.

Heard of QED and Russ Andrews? One of his first mains products was the Clamp 1 in 1983. (Ok only 32 years ago.)

As for 'specialist' hi-fi interconnects and (especially) speaker cables, the arguments over those definitely existed well over 35 years ago. (QED celebrated 40 years in business 2 years ago.) Controversy over such products has been rattling on ever since. (First in the letters pages of hi-fi magazines and then, latterly, online.)

A fool and his money are soon parted and dishonesty have been around for far longer, but that doesn't mean we should sit back and allow it.

So you are no longer dismissing the fact that 'specialist' hi-fi interconnects, speaker cables (and even mains products) were around and causing controversy 35 - 40 years ago?

 

[TrevC]

It's just that you are 35 - 40 years late to an argument that got boring before the Web even existed!

40 years ago? Nah. There was none of this mains interconnect wire voodoo claptrap around then.

Heard of QED and Russ Andrews? One of his first mains products was the Clamp 1 in 1983. (Ok only 32 years ago.)

As for 'specialist' hi-fi interconnects and (especially) speaker cables, the arguments over those definitely existed well over 35 years ago. (QED celebrated 40 years in business 2 years ago.) Controversy over such products has been rattling on ever since. (First in the letters pages of hi-fi magazines and then, latterly, online.)

A fool and his money are soon parted and dishonesty have been around for far longer, but that doesn't mean we should sit back and allow it.

So you are no longer dismissing the fact that 'specialist' hi-fi interconnects, speaker cables (and even mains products) were around and causing controversy 35 - 40 years ago?

I was repairing stuff back then and never ever read the bollocks in hifi magazines. Perhaps that's why I never heard of accessory dealer scammers at that time. I do remember someone telling me about mains nonsense much later.

 

[Native_bon]

'Tw*t' and 'stupid' already in first 2 pages. Well done Drummerman!

[/quote

Just wait for my next thread ... 'mains conditioners' ...

Now that makes more sense. *good*

 

[mond]

I don't usually get involved with the great cable debate although I have read many of them over the years. However this time I will as I recently rediscovered a one time expensive mains cable under the bed (one I bought for a system years ago and after downsizing system put it into storage) I did not really expect to notice a difference as although it cost me over a hundred quid, that was about 15 years ago so I did not have much "invested" in justifying my new purchase. But I did hear a difference with this cable, everything was a tad clearer and there was a bit of extra detail. The cable in question came from Audio Salon in Glasgow and was made by Audio Source. I cannot seem to find this company or their products on line anymore so I don't know what happened to this particular manufacturer.

So I would say they can make a difference, I definitely heard one, but that's not to say all cables will make a difference in all systems. But if you have the money burning a hole in your pocket it may be worth giving it a try.......

P.s I have not always heard the difference when attending those demos they do at the Bristol show where they spend hours swapping them about and saying to the audience wow, that was amazing wasn't it? Maybe you need to be in your own home or at least with familiar kit and recordings to really notice any changes in SQ.

 

[pauln]

Hi gents, anyone any experience with these?

Extensively used in live entertaiment for all kinds of low (relatively) power kit, they seem to be taking over from 16 amp cee form, they're much smaller and lock in place. I think they are 16 amps as well, maybe 20 amps. Mostly used on active PA, LED screens, lamps, anything really that doesn't need three phase power. Pro use obviously, so very robust, although will be trashed by driving a fork lift over them, cheap and completely foo free.

 

[chebby]

A fool and his money are soon parted and dishonesty have been around for far longer, but that doesn't mean we should sit back and condone it happening.

There are surely better ways to 'convert' people than to keep calling them fools.

The manufacturers make entirely plausible products that get reviewed and are thus made even more plausible as a result.

Yes, I get frustrated at certain claims (like 'directionality' especially), but as I said, as far as most buyers are concerned, they are buying plausible gear from proper manufacturers with guarantees and slick packaging from respectable hi-fi dealers who don't appear to be supressing laughter during the sale because they believe in it too.

Boutique cables generally look great and are over engineered which also helps. So it's not difficult - if you are not technically minded - to believe that an attractrive, well 'engineered' cable is going to do the business.

I'm not upset if the punter gets pleasure from his 'superior' cables. It's not the most pernicious belief in the world today and (with the exception a death threat or two from some idiots to Malcolm Steward and his family over a SATA cable review a few years ago) no-one is actually doing any harm to anyone.

It's no more (and probably less) harmful than people who buy outlandishly expensive skin care products.

 

[TrevC]

A fool and his money are soon parted and dishonesty have been around for far longer, but that doesn't mean we should sit back and condone it happening.

There are surely better ways to 'convert' people than to keep calling them fools.

The manfacturers make entirely plausible products that get reviewed and are thus made even more plausible as a result.

Yes, I get frustrated at certain claims (like 'directionality' especially), but as I said, as far as most buyers are concerned, they are buying plausible gear from proper manufacturers with guarantees and slick packaging from respectable hi-fi dealers who don't appear to be supressing laughter during the sale because they believe in it too.

Boutique cables generally look great and are over engineered which also helps. So it's not difficult - if you are not technically minded - to believe that an attractrive, well 'engineered' cable is going to do the business.

I'm not upset if the punter gets pleasure from his 'superior' cables. It's not the most pernicious belief in the world today and (with the exception a death threat or two from some idiots to Malcolm Steward and his family over a SATA cable review a few years ago) no-one is actually doing any harm to anyone.

It's no more (and probably less) harmful than people who buy outlandishly expensive skin care products.

Where have I called anyone a fool?

So a certain level of dishonesty is acceptable to you, providing the victim doesn't realise they're a victim. They're stinking rich and don't know about electronics and stuff, let's stitch em up. It's fine.

Where do you draw the line regarding dishonesty? Is homeopathy OK? How about mail lottery scams?

 

[TrevC]

I don't usually get involved with the great cable debate although I have read many of them over the years. However this time I will as I recently rediscovered a one time expensive mains cable under the bed (one I bought for a system years ago and after downsizing system put it into storage) I did not really expect to notice a difference as although it cost me over a hundred quid, that was about 15 years ago so I did not have much "invested" in justifying my new purchase. But I did hear a difference with this cable, everything was a tad clearer and there was a bit of extra detail. The cable in question came from Audio Salon in Glasgow and was made by Audio Source. I cannot seem to find this company or their products on line anymore so I don't know what happened to this particular manufacturer.

So I would say they can make a difference, I definitely heard one, but that's not to say all cables will make a difference in all systems. But if you have the money burning a hole in your pocket it may be worth giving it a try.......

P.s I have not always heard the difference when attending those demos they do at the Bristol show where they spend hours swapping them about and saying to the audience wow, that was amazing wasn't it? Maybe you need to be in your own home or at least with familiar kit and recordings to really notice any changes in SQ.

It is not possible for a mains cable to affect the performance of anything. Our ears are easily deceived.

 

[drummerman]

A fool and his money are soon parted and dishonesty have been around for far longer, but that doesn't mean we should sit back and condone it happening.

There are surely better ways to 'convert' people than to keep calling them fools.

The manfacturers make entirely plausible products that get reviewed and are thus made even more plausible as a result.

Yes, I get frustrated at certain claims (like 'directionality' especially), but as I said, as far as most buyers are concerned, they are buying plausible gear from proper manufacturers with guarantees and slick packaging from respectable hi-fi dealers who don't appear to be supressing laughter during the sale because they believe in it too.

Boutique cables generally look great and are over engineered which also helps. So it's not difficult - if you are not technically minded - to believe that an attractrive, well 'engineered' cable is going to do the business.

I'm not upset if the punter gets pleasure from his 'superior' cables. It's not the most pernicious belief in the world today and (with the exception a death threat or two from some idiots to Malcolm Steward and his family over a SATA cable review a few years ago) no-one is actually doing any harm to anyone.

It's no more (and probably less) harmful than people who buy outlandishly expensive skin care products.

Where have I called anyone a fool?

So a certain level of dishonesty is acceptable to you, providing the victim doesn't realise they're a victim. They're stinking rich and don't know about electronics and stuff, let's stitch em up. It's fine.

Where do you draw the line regarding dishonesty? Is homeopathy OK? How about mail lottery scams?

I am not stinking rich and wouldn't consider myself a victim.

But its nice of you to take up the sheriff star

 

[michael hoy]

It is not possible for a mains cable to affect the performance of anything. Our ears are easily deceived.

Except yours *biggrin*

 

[drummerman]

A fool and his money are soon parted and dishonesty have been around for far longer, but that doesn't mean we should sit back and condone it happening.

There are surely better ways to 'convert' people than to keep calling them fools.

The manufacturers make entirely plausible products that get reviewed and are thus made even more plausible as a result.

Yes, I get frustrated at certain claims (like 'directionality' especially), but as I said, as far as most buyers are concerned, they are buying plausible gear from proper manufacturers with guarantees and slick packaging from respectable hi-fi dealers who don't appear to be supressing laughter during the sale because they believe in it too.

Boutique cables generally look great and are over engineered which also helps. So it's not difficult - if you are not technically minded - to believe that an attractrive, well 'engineered' cable is going to do the business.

I'm not upset if the punter gets pleasure from his 'superior' cables. It's not the most pernicious belief in the world today and (with the exception a death threat or two from some idiots to Malcolm Steward and his family over a SATA cable review a few years ago) no-one is actually doing any harm to anyone.

It's no more (and probably less) harmful than people who buy outlandishly expensive skin care products.

Oh how amazing the world must look from your elevated, lofty position

 

[CnoEvil]

Where have I called anyone a fool?

Just when I need a 5 year old to educate me on the subject of electronics, I can't find one.....but then, I'm not overly bright.

 

[Vladimir]

Above average levels of 'collective sincerity' expressed here. We have replaced the term subjectivist with fool as it was always implied in our conversations but never outspoken due to forum hygene. Well, sustain no more, my fellow forumees.

I admire the brave spirit of sir TrevC and sir Drummerman, providing this invaluable colon hydrotherapy sessions as a form of karmic cleansing. Sadly, it drips all over the forum, even damaged Simonlewis' keyboard. But we shall endure gentlemen, as it serves the greater good!

All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.

Arthur Schopenhauer

(lofty enough?)

 

[DocG]

Hi gents, anyone any experience with these?

Extensively used in live entertaiment for all kinds of low (relatively) power kit, they seem to be taking over from 16 amp cee form, they're much smaller and lock in place. I think they are 16 amps as well, maybe 20 amps. Mostly used on active PA, LED screens, lamps, anything really that doesn't need three phase power. Pro use obviously, so very robust, although will be trashed by driving a fork lift over them, cheap and completely foo free.

Damned, I'll have to keep searching then...

 

[drummerman]

Above average levels of 'collective sincerity' expressed here. We have replaced the term subjectivist with fool as it was always implied in our conversations but never outspoken due to forum hygene. Well, sustain no more, my fellow forumees.

I admire the brave spirit of sir TrevC and sir Drummerman, providing this invaluable colon hydrotherapy sessions as a form of karmic cleansing. Sadly, it drips all over the forum, even damaged Simonlewis' keyboard. But we shall endure gentlemen, as it serves the greater good!

All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.

Arthur Schopenhauer

(lofty enough?)

It is amazing how many of 'us' use the term 'we' and speak for the collective.

I feel alone

 

[CnoEvil]

Me, I'd rather see pictures of cats!

Nice one Doc.....and they say leads don't work on cats!

 

[Vladimir]

It is amazing how many of 'us' use the term 'we' and speak for the collective.

You just did.

I feel alone

Not anymore. You're one of 'us' now.

 

[CnoEvil]

Me, I'd rather see pictures of cats!

It's gone to far already. I doubt that even cat photos could save this thread. We're gonna need to pull out all the stops for this one.

*good*

 

[Vladimir]

*good*

 

[steve_1979]

So do mains cables make a difference then? *diablo*

...and I can't see the cables round the back of my hifi but I can see the cable on my kettle so which should I upgrade first? *pardon*

 

[SteveR750]

So do mains cables make a difference then? *diablo*

...and I can't see the cables round the back of my hifi but I can see the cable on my kettle so which should I upgrade first? *pardon*

Your coffee supplier.

 

[steve_1979]

So do mains cables make a difference then? *diablo*

...and I can't see the cables round the back of my hifi but I can see the cable on my kettle so which should I upgrade first? *pardon*

Your coffee supplier.

That seems a bit extreme!

My wife buys the coffee. Does that mean you want me to upgrade her?