Nice mains cables

[Thompsonuxb]

Lol..... Didn't want to get involved, but.....

Pretty long post that, but the originator trys to explain his case.

So many different technologies go in to the various cables.....why?

Everyone designed to do the samething.

Does anyone of you try to address what's said?

No......

Only conclusion if you have a spare 50quid in your pocket try an 'upgrade' see how you fair and let your findings be known.

You fair? Sounds like fun.

It doesn't matter what a mains cable is made of, as long as it has a low resistance and connects the mains properly. 

Again with the 'ifs'

Either they sound the same or they don't.

If it sounds better or worse is neither here nor there.

Make up your mind.

 

[Thompsonuxb]

@thompsonuxb. The reason no one has bothered to give counter argument to that long post is because it makes no reasoned sense. The web site is also full of pseudo science which makes no sense. Its fun to look at magic-stones type.spoof websites. Very convincing poppycock.

At any level his rantings could be critisised but I certainly could not be bothered. Spend money if you wish but dont believe everything you read on the Internet

The guy makes an attempt to explain is case.

If you intend to dismis it as pseudo science at least have the common decency to explain.

Saying it makes no reasoned sense means nothing unless you explain why.

Like I've said before - at this stage we have a completed product all the R&D, the science is over we are at the plug in, play and listen stage.

If you guys have not tried the product in real world conditions, what authority do you have to comment?

Why would anyone care when you're all talking out the sides of your heads if the truth be told.

 

[TrevC]

Lol..... Didn't want to get involved, but.....

Pretty long post that, but the originator trys to explain his case.

So many different technologies go in to the various cables.....why?

Everyone designed to do the samething.

Does anyone of you try to address what's said?

No......

Only conclusion if you have a spare 50quid in your pocket try an 'upgrade' see how you fair and let your findings be known.

You fair? Sounds like fun.

It doesn't matter what a mains cable is made of, as long as it has a low resistance and connects the mains properly.

Again with the 'ifs'

Either they sound the same or they don't.

If it sounds better or worse is neither here nor there.

Make up your mind.

I have no idea what you are trying to say.

 

[Thompsonuxb]

Lol..... Didn't want to get involved, but.....

Pretty long post that, but the originator trys to explain his case.

So many different technologies go in to the various cables.....why?

Everyone designed to do the samething.

Does anyone of you try to address what's said?

No......

Only conclusion if you have a spare 50quid in your pocket try an 'upgrade' see how you fair and let your findings be known.

You fair? Sounds like fun.

It doesn't matter what a mains cable is made of, as long as it has a low resistance and connects the mains properly.?

Again with the 'ifs'

Either they sound the same or they don't.

If it sounds better or worse is neither here nor there.

Make up your mind.

I have no idea what you are trying to say.

No surprise, you never do.

Simple really no ifs no buts or maybes. All wire either sound the same or they don't.

If they are the same then no benefit can be gained from them good or bad.

If for what ever reason they are not the same and differ in any way- then your argument is dead.

You decide.

 

[Vladimir]

I was physical sciences major in college but couldn't quite finish my degree. Money issues. I then entered the military. They don't care about credentials at all. They just test you - thoroughly. They were duly impressed with my abilities and decided to send me to a secret Navy cadre. I obtained the equivalent of an electronics engineering degree and was assigned to a military division of the National Security Agency. The NSA is the governmental information-gathering agency, with the world's most elaborate high-speed computers and signal decoding equipment. We were involved with intense R&D of ultra-sensitive data acquisition systems.

Source: 6moons interview with Caelin Gabriel

 

[pauln]

Lol..... Didn't want to get involved, but.....

Pretty long post that, but the originator trys to explain his case.

So many different technologies go in to the various cables.....why?

Everyone designed to do the samething.

Does anyone of you try to address what's said?

No......

Only conclusion if you have a spare 50quid in your pocket try an 'upgrade' see how you fair and let your findings be known.

You fair? Sounds like fun.

It doesn't matter what a mains cable is made of, as long as it has a low resistance and connects the mains properly.

Again with the 'ifs'

Either they sound the same or they don't.

If it sounds better or worse is neither here nor there.

Make up your mind.

Where are the 'ifs' in that post?

 

[pauln]

Lol..... Didn't want to get involved, but.....

Pretty long post that, but the originator trys to explain his case.

So many different technologies go in to the various cables.....why?

Everyone designed to do the samething.

Does anyone of you try to address what's said?

No......

Only conclusion if you have a spare 50quid in your pocket try an 'upgrade' see how you fair and let your findings be known.

You fair? Sounds like fun.

It doesn't matter what a mains cable is made of, as long as it has a low resistance and connects the mains properly.

Again with the 'ifs'

Either they sound the same or they don't.

If it sounds better or worse is neither here nor there.

Make up your mind.

I have no idea what you are trying to say.

Does anyone?

 

[Vladimir]

He is saying address each of Gabriel's points instead of blank dismissal from a know-it-all perspective.

IMO it is easy to fool even the best dentist about electronics and even the best electronics engineer about dentistry. Needless to say, trevc, andyjm, pauln, hg, jota, steve etc. are not Gabriel's targeted customers, but Gazzip, Thompson, Cno, me etc.

 

[Thompsonuxb]

Lol..... Didn't want to get involved, but.....

Pretty long post that, but the originator trys to explain his case.

So many different technologies go in to the various cables.....why?

Everyone designed to do the samething.

Does anyone of you try to address what's said?

No......

Only conclusion if you have a spare 50quid in your pocket try an 'upgrade' see how you fair and let your findings be known.

You fair? Sounds like fun.

It doesn't matter what a mains cable is made of, as long as it has a low resistance and connects the mains properly.?

Again with the 'ifs'

Either they sound the same or they don't.

If it sounds better or worse is neither here nor there.

Make up your mind.

Where are the 'ifs' in that post?

Lol.... Note 'ifs' .

'as long as it as a low resistance....'

That's an if..... you get It?

Actually for arguments sake you won't will you.

You guys......

 

[Thompsonuxb]

He is saying address each of Gabriel's points instead of blank dismissal from a know-it-all perspective.?

IMO it is easy to fool even the best dentist about electronics and even the best electronics engineer about dentistry. Needless to say, trevc, andyjm, pauln, hg, jota, steve etc. are not Gabriel's targeted customers, but Gazzip, Thompson, Cno, me etc.

You don't have to explain Vlad - they know exactly what's being said.

Bottom line test it for yourselves decide and share if you can't afford it and don't have facilities to compare..... shut up!

 

[TrevC]

Lol..... Didn't want to get involved, but.....

Pretty long post that, but the originator trys to explain his case.

So many different technologies go in to the various cables.....why?

Everyone designed to do the samething.

Does anyone of you try to address what's said?

No......

Only conclusion if you have a spare 50quid in your pocket try an 'upgrade' see how you fair and let your findings be known.

You fair? Sounds like fun.

It doesn't matter what a mains cable is made of, as long as it has a low resistance and connects the mains properly.

Again with the 'ifs'

Either they sound the same or they don't.

If it sounds better or worse is neither here nor there.

Make up your mind.

I have no idea what you are trying to say.

No surprise, you never do.

Simple really no ifs no buts or maybes. All wire either sound the same or they don't.

If they are the same then no benefit can be gained from them good or bad.

If for what ever reason they are not the same and differ in any way- then your argument is dead.

You decide.

They all sound the same. Completely silent. As you should be.

 

[TrevC]

Lol..... Didn't want to get involved, but.....

Pretty long post that, but the originator trys to explain his case.

So many different technologies go in to the various cables.....why?

Everyone designed to do the samething.

Does anyone of you try to address what's said?

No......

Only conclusion if you have a spare 50quid in your pocket try an 'upgrade' see how you fair and let your findings be known.

You fair? Sounds like fun.

It doesn't matter what a mains cable is made of, as long as it has a low resistance and connects the mains properly.

Again with the 'ifs'

Either they sound the same or they don't.

If it sounds better or worse is neither here nor there.

Make up your mind.

Where are the 'ifs' in that post?

Lol.... Note 'ifs' .

'as long as it as a low resistance....'

That's an if..... you get It?

Actually for arguments sake you won't will you.

You guys......

If it didn't have a low resistance it would drop voltage and get rather hot.

 

[Thompsonuxb]

Lol..... Didn't want to get involved, but.....

Pretty long post that, but the originator trys to explain his case.

So many different technologies go in to the various cables.....why?

Everyone designed to do the samething.

Does anyone of you try to address what's said?

No......

Only conclusion if you have a spare 50quid in your pocket try an 'upgrade' see how you fair and let your findings be known.

You fair? Sounds like fun.

It doesn't matter what a mains cable is made of, as long as it has a low resistance and connects the mains properly.?

Again with the 'ifs'

Either they sound the same or they don't.

If it sounds better or worse is neither here nor there.

Make up your mind.

I have no idea what you are trying to say.

No surprise, you never do.

Simple really no ifs no buts or maybes. All wire either sound the same or they don't.

If they are the same then no benefit can be gained from them good or bad.

If for what ever reason they are not the same and differ in any way- then your argument is dead.

You decide.

They all sound the same. Completely silent. As you should be.

We are talking in use as conductors and you know it......what, still struggling to understand?

 

[TrevC]

He is saying address each of Gabriel's points instead of blank dismissal from a know-it-all perspective.

IMO it is easy to fool even the best dentist about electronics and even the best electronics engineer about dentistry. Needless to say, trevc, andyjm, pauln, hg, jota, steve etc. are not Gabriel's targeted customers, but Gazzip, Thompson, Cno, me etc.

Blank dismissal is all that's required. It doesn't matter what Gabriel does with his wires no difference in performance can occur, because it's only a mains cable. If the mains makes it all the way through it will work in exactly the same way any other mains cable will work.

 

[Thompsonuxb]

Lol..... Didn't want to get involved, but.....

Pretty long post that, but the originator trys to explain his case.

So many different technologies go in to the various cables.....why?

Everyone designed to do the samething.

Does anyone of you try to address what's said?

No......

Only conclusion if you have a spare 50quid in your pocket try an 'upgrade' see how you fair and let your findings be known.

You fair? Sounds like fun.

It doesn't matter what a mains cable is made of, as long as it has a low resistance and connects the mains properly.?

Again with the 'ifs'

Either they sound the same or they don't.

If it sounds better or worse is neither here nor there.

Make up your mind.

Where are the 'ifs' in that post?

Lol.... Note 'ifs' .

'as long as it as a low resistance....'

That's an if..... you get It?

Actually for arguments sake you won't will you.

You guys......

If it didn't have a low resistance it would drop voltage and get rather hot. 

The composition of any cable brings with it variable values of resistance. Be it 100% copper, silver, zinc or whatever.

Your argument has evolved, used to be they make no difference regardless.

Are you saying they do now if the resistance differ?

 

[TrevC]

Lol..... Didn't want to get involved, but.....

Pretty long post that, but the originator trys to explain his case.

So many different technologies go in to the various cables.....why?

Everyone designed to do the samething.

Does anyone of you try to address what's said?

No......

Only conclusion if you have a spare 50quid in your pocket try an 'upgrade' see how you fair and let your findings be known.

You fair? Sounds like fun.

It doesn't matter what a mains cable is made of, as long as it has a low resistance and connects the mains properly.

Again with the 'ifs'

Either they sound the same or they don't.

If it sounds better or worse is neither here nor there.

Make up your mind.

I have no idea what you are trying to say.

No surprise, you never do.

Simple really no ifs no buts or maybes. All wire either sound the same or they don't.

If they are the same then no benefit can be gained from them good or bad.

If for what ever reason they are not the same and differ in any way- then your argument is dead.

You decide.

They all sound the same. Completely silent. As you should be.

We are talking in use as conductors and you know it......what, still struggling to understand?

Yes you is.

 

[Thompsonuxb]

He is saying address each of Gabriel's points instead of blank dismissal from a know-it-all perspective.?

IMO it is easy to fool even the best dentist about electronics and even the best electronics engineer about dentistry. Needless to say, trevc, andyjm, pauln, hg, jota, steve etc. are not Gabriel's targeted customers, but Gazzip, Thompson, Cno, me etc.

Blank dismissal is all that's required. It doesn't matter what Gabriel does with his wires no difference in performance can occur, because it's only a mains cable. If the mains makes it all the way through it will work in exactly the same way any other mains cable will work.

There you to again with the 'if's'.

We can all take it as a given the 'mains gets through' so what's your argument?

 

[TrevC]

Lol..... Didn't want to get involved, but.....

Pretty long post that, but the originator trys to explain his case.

So many different technologies go in to the various cables.....why?

Everyone designed to do the samething.

Does anyone of you try to address what's said?

No......

Only conclusion if you have a spare 50quid in your pocket try an 'upgrade' see how you fair and let your findings be known.

You fair? Sounds like fun.

It doesn't matter what a mains cable is made of, as long as it has a low resistance and connects the mains properly.

Again with the 'ifs'

Either they sound the same or they don't.

If it sounds better or worse is neither here nor there.

Make up your mind.

Where are the 'ifs' in that post?

Lol.... Note 'ifs' .

'as long as it as a low resistance....'

That's an if..... you get It?

Actually for arguments sake you won't will you.

You guys......

If it didn't have a low resistance it would drop voltage and get rather hot.

The composition of any cable brings with it variable values of resistance. Be it 100% copper, silver, zinc or whatever.

Your argument has evolved, used to be they make no difference regardless.

Are you saying they do now if the resistance differ?

The nom de plume of a variable antelope resists the pull of a giant ferrent using a wooden leg as bait. This causes multiple conductor failure which stops the buses. The heat is massive, so hot the trousers catch fire.

 

[Thompsonuxb]

Lol..... Didn't want to get involved, but.....

Pretty long post that, but the originator trys to explain his case.

So many different technologies go in to the various cables.....why?

Everyone designed to do the samething.

Does anyone of you try to address what's said?

No......

Only conclusion if you have a spare 50quid in your pocket try an 'upgrade' see how you fair and let your findings be known.

You fair? Sounds like fun.

It doesn't matter what a mains cable is made of, as long as it has a low resistance and connects the mains properly.?

Again with the 'ifs'

Either they sound the same or they don't.

If it sounds better or worse is neither here nor there.

Make up your mind.

I have no idea what you are trying to say.

No surprise, you never do.

Simple really no ifs no buts or maybes. All wire either sound the same or they don't.

If they are the same then no benefit can be gained from them good or bad.

If for what ever reason they are not the same and differ in any way- then your argument is dead.

You decide.

They all sound the same. Completely silent. As you should be.

We are talking in use as conductors and you know it......what, still struggling to understand?

Yes you is.

Talking yourself into a corner again?

 

[TrevC]

Lol..... Didn't want to get involved, but.....

Pretty long post that, but the originator trys to explain his case.

So many different technologies go in to the various cables.....why?

Everyone designed to do the samething.

Does anyone of you try to address what's said?

No......

Only conclusion if you have a spare 50quid in your pocket try an 'upgrade' see how you fair and let your findings be known.

You fair? Sounds like fun.

It doesn't matter what a mains cable is made of, as long as it has a low resistance and connects the mains properly.

Again with the 'ifs'

Either they sound the same or they don't.

If it sounds better or worse is neither here nor there.

Make up your mind.

I have no idea what you are trying to say.

No surprise, you never do.

Simple really no ifs no buts or maybes. All wire either sound the same or they don't.

If they are the same then no benefit can be gained from them good or bad.

If for what ever reason they are not the same and differ in any way- then your argument is dead.

You decide.

They all sound the same. Completely silent. As you should be.

We are talking in use as conductors and you know it......what, still struggling to understand?

Yes you is.

Talking yourself into a corner again?

Yes, you win. Mains leads can be made to turn a cheap mini system into a high end marvel.

 

[Gazzip]

For me a life entirely dependent on empirical data and pure science would be quite dull.

I think that the flippant dismissal of psychoacoustics in the context of the cable argument as "our ears playing tricks on us" is a mistake. It is denying the importance of sensory perception in how we "hear" our music. It is denying half of the whole. If a mains cable is shiny and beautiful and that effects our perception enough to make us decode the sound as "better" then that cable has definately made a difference.

 

[Thompsonuxb]

Lol..... Didn't want to get involved, but.....

Pretty long post that, but the originator trys to explain his case.

So many different technologies go in to the various cables.....why?

Everyone designed to do the samething.

Does anyone of you try to address what's said?

No......

Only conclusion if you have a spare 50quid in your pocket try an 'upgrade' see how you fair and let your findings be known.

You fair? Sounds like fun.

It doesn't matter what a mains cable is made of, as long as it has a low resistance and connects the mains properly.?

Again with the 'ifs'

Either they sound the same or they don't.

If it sounds better or worse is neither here nor there.

Make up your mind.

I have no idea what you are trying to say.

No surprise, you never do.

Simple really no ifs no buts or maybes. All wire either sound the same or they don't.

If they are the same then no benefit can be gained from them good or bad.

If for what ever reason they are not the same and differ in any way- then your argument is dead.

You decide.

They all sound the same. Completely silent. As you should be.

We are talking in use as conductors and you know it......what, still struggling to understand?

Yes you is.

Talking yourself into a corner again?

Yes, you win. Mains leads can be made to turn a cheap mini system into a high end marvel.

Bingo!

 

[steve_1979]

 

[TrevC]

For me a life entirely dependent on empirical data and pure science would be quite dull.

I think that the flippant dismissal of psychoacoustics in the context of the cable argument as "our ears playing tricks on us" is a mistake. It is denying the importance of sensory perception in how we "hear" our music. It is denying half of the whole. If a mains cable is shiny and beautiful and that effects our perception enough to make us decode the sound as "better" then that cable has definately made a difference.

I agree, except we are talking about mains cables, which can't alter the sound at all no matter how they are made. Perhaps we should pretty up existing ones. A coat of paint, a nice braid sleeve, a few ribbons and balloons, etc.

 

[Vladimir]

He is saying address each of Gabriel's points instead of blank dismissal from a know-it-all perspective.

IMO it is easy to fool even the best dentist about electronics and even the best electronics engineer about dentistry. Needless to say, trevc, andyjm, pauln, hg, jota, steve etc. are not Gabriel's targeted customers, but Gazzip, Thompson, Cno, me etc.

Blank dismissal is all that's required. It doesn't matter what Gabriel does with his wires no difference in performance can occur, because it's only a mains cable. If the mains makes it all the way through it will work in exactly the same way any other mains cable will work.

Don't shoot the messenger, in this case Klingon interpreter.