Mains Blocks / Conditioners / Regenerators

[Neuphonix]

I don't think slagging people off adds anything to the debate.

Chris

Neither does arrogance and condescension......

Sorry, I will try to do better next time. I don't want to upset anyone. Peace?

C'mon Trev, we're only up to 147 posts.

Don't go soft now, this thread got heaps of legs left in it yet!!! :rofl:

'''Oi, don't be such a Class A Aussie trouble maker!

Not that I would ever assume to tell people what they can & can't hear, much less what they can spend their money on, but I'm leaning more towards Trev's side of the fence on this one.

Definitely in favour of the protective aspect, if you've spent good money on kit, then it makes sense IMO to try & protect it from transient spikes.

I recognize that it's not a practical or affordable solution for everyone, but a dedicated circuit is step one if possible. Probaby cheaper than some of those more exotic powerboards anyway!

 

[Neuphonix]

I don't think slagging people off adds anything to the debate.

Chris

Neither does arrogance and condescension......

Sorry, I will try to do better next time. I don't want to upset anyone. Peace?

C'mon Trev, we're only up to 147 posts.

Don't go soft now, this thread got heaps of legs left in it yet!!! :rofl:

'''Oi, don't be such a Class A Aussie trouble maker!

Not that I would ever assume to tell people what they can & can't hear, much less what they can spend their money on, but I'm leaning more towards Trev's side of the fence on this one.

Definitely in favour of the protective aspect, if you've spent good money on kit, then it makes sense IMO to try & protect it from transient spikes.

I recognize that it's not a practical or affordable solution for everyone, but a dedicated circuit is step one if possible. Probaby cheaper than some of those more exotic powerboards anyway!

 

[davedotco]

I don't think slagging people off adds anything to the debate.

Chris

i agree - apologies !

but isnt that what trevc was (kind of) doing when sospri commented on the effect of a tacima conditioner on his system,

only for trevc to post "well of course it didnt. what nonsense,"

This is true, trevc basically called me a liar.

If he can't take it he should not give it out...............................

i don't think so.

Just casting doubt (rather crudely) on the worth of your entirely subjective evaluation.

Which is what these kind of discussions end up being anyway.

 

[Alec]

I don't think slagging people off adds anything to the debate.

Chris

i agree - apologies !

but isnt that what trevc was (kind of) doing when sospri commented on the effect of a tacima conditioner on his system,

only for trevc to post "well of course it didnt. what nonsense,"

... trevc basically called me a liar.

No, he didn't, and that's what so ma y don't seem to understand.

 

[ifor]

I know this might end in a fight (I hope it doesn't) and I know it's been covered before, but because I find it so much less tedious to follow a new thread rather than wade through older ones, I'm opening up the subject again.

it was the reference to poor mains quality in the current Steve Brock thread that interested me. So, all you knowledgable and not so knowledgeable guys out there, please enlighten me. What do blocks, conditioners and regenerators do? What experience with them do you have? Are they likely to improve the performance of a system that doesn't have an obvious problem like Steve's humming amp? Etc, etc?

A forlorn hope!

 

[BenLaw]

I don't think slagging people off adds anything to the debate.

Chris

i agree - apologies !

but isnt that what trevc was (kind of) doing when sospri commented on the effect of a tacima conditioner on his system,

only for trevc to post "well of course it didnt. what nonsense,"

... trevc basically called me a liar.

No, he didn't, and that's what so ma y don't seem to understand.

Beat me to it.

There's a very important difference between a suggestion that someone is lying and that they are mistaken. A lot less offence would be taken if people learned to tell the difference. But where would the fun in that be?

 

[CnoEvil]

Not that I would ever assume to tell people what they can & can't hear, much less what they can spend their money on, but I'm leaning more towards Trev's side of the fence on this one.

Definitely in favour of the protective aspect, if you've spent good money on kit, then it makes sense IMO to try & protect it from transient spikes.

I recognize that it's not a practical or affordable solution for everyone, but a dedicated circuit is step one if possible. Probaby cheaper than some of those more exotic powerboards anyway!

I would take the following approach:

- Speak to your dealer, especially if he is knowledgeable and has experience.

- Speak to MF

- Try stuff yourself, and be guided by what you hear

- First thing to do is have your hifi on a separate circuit.

- Research the different approaches by different brands to the design of their conditioners (if necessary speak to them); and by and large, you will find that there is a consistent acknowledgement, that giving amps enough headroom is a design goal.

FWIW. I find the 35i sounds best plugged directly into the wall with a decent power cable; though I can quite understand the need for surge protection.

 

[CnoEvil]

A lot less offence would be taken if people learned to tell the difference.....

......and showed a modicum of respect for other people's experiences and POV (even if it takes a huge amount of restraint). :roll:

 

[Alec]

A lot less offence would be taken if people learned to tell the difference.....

......and showed a modicum of respect for other people's experiences and POV (even if it takes a huge amount of restraint). :roll:

What? Oh, nevermind.

 

[CnoEvil]

A lot less offence would be taken if people learned to tell the difference.....

......and showed a modicum of respect for other people's experiences and POV (even if it takes a huge amount of restraint). :roll:

What? Oh, nevermind.

Maybe it's all a Monty Python sketch, and I've just walked into the wrong room. :twisted:

 

[ifor]

Maybe it's all a Monty Python sketch, and I've just walked into the wrong room. :twisted:

Well, do you want to have the full argument, or were you thinking of taking a course?

 

[Neuphonix]

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Maybe it's all a Monty Python sketch, and I've just walked into the wrong room. :twisted:

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Let the fish slapping begin!

 

[cheeseboy]

because trevc claims that "quality" equipment is immune to interference "coming down the mains" .............

as a result, i presume he has chosen "quality" kit that fits this criteria hence i would be interested in exactly what kit he uses......

thing is though, it's not a willy waving exercise. One wouldn't presume that a forumla one engineer doesn't know about how to make a car go faster because he doesn't own one does he? hence what somebody owns is pretty irrelevent I would have said when dealing in cases such as this. All imho of course

 

[Sospri]

I don't think slagging people off adds anything to the debate.

Chris

i agree - apologies !

but isnt that what trevc was (kind of) doing when sospri commented on the effect of a tacima conditioner on his system,

only for trevc to post "well of course it didnt. what nonsense,"

This is true, trevc basically called me a liar.

If he can't take it he should not give it out...............................

I was a little blunt. My apologies.

Apology accepted Trevc..........

 

[a91gti]

This is ridiculous.

I enjoy chips with salt and vinegar. It may be that vinegar changes the flavour in a way that is tasty for me while some folk like less vinegar, no salt or maybe even gravy.

These things are all personal opinion and preference.

 

[cheeseboy]

These things are all personal opinion and preference.

I see what you are saying, but it's a bit of broad reach to say that the way that electricity works is personal opinion and preference...

 

[Alec]

 

[Covenanter]

This is ridiculous.

I enjoy chips with salt and vinegar. It may be that vinegar changes the flavour in a way that is tasty for me while some folk like less vinegar, no salt or maybe even gravy.

These things are all personal opinion and preference.

How did you know I always soak my mains cables in vinegar for an hour before listening? It stops them choking the music.

Chris

 

[John Duncan]

Better?

 

[Alec]

Better?

Ta. What did I do wrong?

 

[cheeseboy]

How did you know I always soak my mains cables in vinegar for an hour before listening? It stops them choking the music.

Chris

malt or white? or do they give different tonal differences?

 

[John Duncan]

Better?

Ta. What did I do wrong?

I think you copied the image rather than the link, and when you paste it into the link box, it looks as if it works in the text editor, but then doesn't when you save it.

 

[Alec]

I just pasted the picture into tho box, which I'm sure we used to be able to do.

 

[John Duncan]

Pre this version of the site perhaps, but not since AFAICR

 

[Covenanter]

How did you know I always soak my mains cables in vinegar for an hour before listening? It stops them choking the music.

Chris

malt or white? or do they give different tonal differences?

Red wine vinegar for orchestral music and white wine vinegar for chamber music. Balsamic vinegar brings a certain something to choral works and I suggest malt vinegar for anything "pop" oriented.

Chris

PS Cleaning the cables afterwards is a real pain but my ears can't be deceiving me can they?

PPS I'd do a blind test but I think the smell would give it away.