What now? To answer to your question it was always going to be like this..people like hifi..forums are just about filling some time in between going to shops or doing the garden..we are all like minded and if things get a bit emotive it's because we hold our views on hifi dear to our heart and as you get older things seem to be taken away more than given! But our hifi? We own that! This is why things get a little heated..and with this thread two people listened to music and even got on! Lol...all of us would do exactly the same thing..we would put our views to one side..as it's nice to meet someone who likes music and how it sounds..and if I get a load of flack with this post I won't respond as photons have humbled me...for a while at least!Thompsonuxb said:
Dom
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expat_mike said:
Thanks, I will check those links. Its fun to experiment.
Finally to ellisdj, good luck and may the HiFi impress.
plastic penguin
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ellisdj said:
That's the issue for me. Most of us, unless we are lucky enough to have several different kits strewn around the house, only hear our systems in isolation.
Would be good to test the same cables with a modest set-up - and see how those findings stack up against yours and Electros.
Dom
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The conclusion is that they make small differences. This means we should spend less on audio cables and more on speakers for example.
Ofcourse, the dream is spending a small amount on something that will settle or balance your HiFi, thats why expensive cables exist.
Ofcourse, the dream is spending a small amount on something that will settle or balance your HiFi, thats why expensive cables exist.
ellisdj said:Been out of signal all day so just catching up. Thanks to electro for writing the truth a hifi friend yes mate I hope so too.
Electro only heard but a brief taste of my taste in my sound presentation. He needs to come and hear it 100% not 15% makes a big difference . That will explain my comments more hopefully and may convert him. We all get used to a sound and think it's right, but that doesn't mean it is or is 100% right.
I am now really looking forward to this so I can show him how I apply my trade. I think he will be surprised or won't be expecting it to be as is.
I have a few of his test cds on their way to me. The music we listened to was a little safe in selection even though varied. That won't be the case when you come here.
Come and hear how big a small system by comparison can sound
Had a great day buddy looking forward to the next one.
What is your trade that you apply or speak of and what is your kit?
Just amp and speakers will do, we dont need all the cables.
This will help us see where you are comming from
You have done a lot of work. Thank you. Regrettable that the test was flawed and the result can't be declared valid. But at least it has the merit to exist.
Sorry by applying my trade I just mean setting up a system in a room.
The kit is irrelevant to a degree because no one would have heard this kit sound like this unless they have heard this combo in my room.
Please note Last post was written after a lot of sherberts at a family wedding
The kit is irrelevant to a degree because no one would have heard this kit sound like this unless they have heard this combo in my room.
Please note Last post was written after a lot of sherberts at a family wedding
ellisdj said:
but I disagree with the above. You make constant claims about how great your kit sounds yet seemingly refuse to disclose what it consists of. Some on here with massively impressive and expensive kit may view my opinions irrelevant or uneducated based on my listed kit, its limitations etc compared to their own. Yet still I partake and make my equipment visible. Nobody has heard my system in it's current surroundings or perhaps in its particular combination, most could say that no? Not arguing here but great claims are being made whilst the kit remains in the shadows it seems. All I ask for is a little transparency.
busb
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DomCheetham said:
A big thank you to both electro for hosting & ellisdg for supplying some rather expensive bits of wire. When I done something similar as host with friends, I was less convinced with interconnects than with speaker cable - by an order of magnitude! The only time I've thought I heard a difference was when comparing Chord Chamelian RCAs with £10 0.5m XLRs - that may have been more to do with peer bias.
I used to make up my own RCA interconnects with DNM flat solid core with SME phono plugs. I had 2 sets between my amp & cassette deck 20 yrs ago. I fitted a large 60mm long ferrite clamp designed for digital signals through ribbon cables. The lost in SQ was so marked, I removed it within a day.
I wouldn't sneer at anyone's kit. But I take exception to certain people who take it upon themselves to tell me that im deluded and freebie cables are exactly the same which in itself is annoying but then you find out their kit is nowhere near the quality that is needed to reveal those nuances of music which are prized by hifi buffs as this start of audio nirvana..then to cap it all? These sagacious owls say they rely on science and ohms law and graphs and white coated scientific dogma..to form their views! And I do listen with my ears..brains can be deceived! Theres a saying which is 'bs baffles brains' these geeks who live by science in their ivory towers should get out more? Go for a walk? Breathe the outside air! Spending all your free hours in the lab? Gives you flab! Lol...the pub beckons..come and have a laugh! Play pool? Don't take everything so seriously!luckylion100 said:
I used to suffer with peer bias..i like Brighton better than Eastbourne pier...but nowadays I'm not much fussed! I'm off to listen to peer gynt now...grieg rocks..bakers aren't bad either..all day breakfast bap! Yummy!busb said:
I used to have it all listed in a big signature but whf asked people to remove big signatures for a system thread instead so I did, I haven't done the thread yet.luckylion100 said:
But there is one I did a year ago on av forum a lot is the same so you can look that up if you want more details
There is only 1 forum member who has heard my audio pc so far- it will mean nothing to anyone else.
I have meridian bryston monitor audio platinum then a lot of other stuff. Trust me it's good enough gear for excellent sound.
The reason I say it's irrelevant and about applying my trade is because plonking down expensive boxes in a room doesn't guarantee great sound. So just listing boxes is not the full picture.
I'm not Anderson 100% not! I'm sorry you have no sense of humour? Do you spend the whole day grumpy? What a drag that must be.Rob G said:
Electro
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Thompsonuxb said:
Yes I really did hear a difference !
The music remained unchanged but the presentation changed considerably, it was like the difference between sitting in the front seats dead centre as close a possible to the performers focused on the core of the sound ( ellisdj's preference ) and sitting five or six rows back and being able to see the big picture with all the instruments spread out with a more live music feel ( my preference ) .
I was surprised to say the least ! expectation bias of some sort, hmmmm possibly but I was the one that suggested that there was a difference to ellisdj and he confirmed my thoughts.
As I said before I am not like some on the forum that say it is impossible for cables to make a difference, on the contrary I think they can make a difference but I also believe that you don't have to spend much money to get a perfect transparent cable .
I would rather spend the money on better equipment or room treatments but my mind is fully open and I am prepared to be convinced otherwise. *smile*
chebby
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keeper of the quays said:
It barely matters whether you really are 'Anderson' or not. If you resemble the original enough to convince so many people ("if it walks like a duck ... ") then you might as well be.
dear Mr chebby, they say imitation is a sincere form of flattery! But you have the advantage of me..as i am at a loss to know what this Anderson character actually wrote? Whatever it was, it seems to have rankled a good part of the members of this friendly and helpful forum...perhaps you could find one of his posts? So at least i can see if there is this comparison?chebby said:
expat_mike
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jonathanRD
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As a casual observer I have no idea what is going on?
Why has Rob G joined on the 28/04/16 and within 3 days and 4 posts indicated that TKOTK's is Anderson?
It's better than a detective drama on tv *scratch_one-s_head*
Why has Rob G joined on the 28/04/16 and within 3 days and 4 posts indicated that TKOTK's is Anderson?
It's better than a detective drama on tv *scratch_one-s_head*
I think this rob g is a stalking horse...sent by or is by disguise one of the cosy club? Think if they send this donkey it will confound me and cause me to clear off as I'm upsetting the apple cart! The cosy club is in reality a trough where old gnarlers go to bolster each other and think about the old days whilst fighting each other for turnip tops! Send more donkeys...ill provide the fodder you provide the braying..jonathanRD said:
jonathanRD
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expat_mike
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You want more conspiracy theory?
Maybe Rob G is really Anderson - and merely trying to distract the pack of hounds away from his own scent, and focus them on The Keeper.
Maybe Rob G is really Anderson - and merely trying to distract the pack of hounds away from his own scent, and focus them on The Keeper.
Electro has hit nail on head but its why I said I would like to change all the cables.
I believe if we changed them all it would be the best of both presentations which in that room size on those speakers would be amazing simple as that. The cables are expensive but I have 100% confidence in them to do what I know they will do.
However it could be you change all the cables and holes in the setup get exposed at the same time so it's no guarantee. By holes I mean freq response, room acoustic issues etc.
Better cables = cleaner more accurate sound to the original sound with less added and taken away from it. So when you start taking away what's not supposed to be there and are only left with what's supposed to be there it's a very exposed presentation where the sound foundations like bass response for example need to be bang on.
I know I could work it out though to be the best of both but it wouldn't sound as it does now it would be different that not what Electro wants at the minute. That could change when hears the strengths of my system because they were lacking in his. No offence intended by thst he will see what I mean hopefully when he comes here
I believe if we changed them all it would be the best of both presentations which in that room size on those speakers would be amazing simple as that. The cables are expensive but I have 100% confidence in them to do what I know they will do.
However it could be you change all the cables and holes in the setup get exposed at the same time so it's no guarantee. By holes I mean freq response, room acoustic issues etc.
Better cables = cleaner more accurate sound to the original sound with less added and taken away from it. So when you start taking away what's not supposed to be there and are only left with what's supposed to be there it's a very exposed presentation where the sound foundations like bass response for example need to be bang on.
I know I could work it out though to be the best of both but it wouldn't sound as it does now it would be different that not what Electro wants at the minute. That could change when hears the strengths of my system because they were lacking in his. No offence intended by thst he will see what I mean hopefully when he comes here
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