TrevC
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So cables of different series resistance sound different?
Speaker cables, yes. If the series resistance is too high the frequency response will track the impedance of the speaker. That's why thick wires are the fit and forget solution.
Speaker cables, yes. If the series resistance is too high the frequency response will track the impedance of the speaker. That's why thick wires are the fit and forget solution.
For crying out loud....
We've covered this before - you cannot apply your science to selective bits in your reasoning no matter how small you perceive the electrical signal.
If series resistance differ can the sound be affected in the hifi chain?
From source to speaker.
We've covered this before - you cannot apply your science to selective bits in your reasoning no matter how small you perceive the electrical signal.
If series resistance differ can the sound be affected in the hifi chain?
From source to speaker.
TrevC said:
Broner
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TrevC
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What???..... Yes you do. Follow the chain of quotes.
Long and short TrevC has made a statement that is plain stupid in the defence of his argument.
If cables with the same resistive properties sound the same question is do cables with differing qualities.
The gauge is irrelevant in that argument. if you have a cable of 5mm diameter with the same conductive properties (copper content) as one with
a 1mm diameter they should sound the same according to his argument.
If they don't have the same resistive qualities.... What's the argument now?
Long and short TrevC has made a statement that is plain stupid in the defence of his argument.
If cables with the same resistive properties sound the same question is do cables with differing qualities.
The gauge is irrelevant in that argument. if you have a cable of 5mm diameter with the same conductive properties (copper content) as one with
a 1mm diameter they should sound the same according to his argument.
If they don't have the same resistive qualities.... What's the argument now?
Broner said:
If I understood Thompson correctly, he is saying if resistance is an audible factor, it remains an audible factor even when thick gauge is applied, simply because different metals, dielectrics and geometries continue to influence it. In addition, what everyone is forgeting is that a Hi-Fi system chain has more thin wires than thick wires, from source to amp, thus series resistance is a major factor all over.
I also think he was crying out loud.
I also think he was crying out loud.
As usual TrevC you are not applying science to anything, just BS.
It is pointless to argue though as the only way to prove anything is for all to be present in the same place with a system and cables, and we can all have a listen.
Its the only way.
It is pointless to argue though as the only way to prove anything is for all to be present in the same place with a system and cables, and we can all have a listen.
Its the only way.
TrevC said:
TrevC
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TrevC
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"As usual TrevC you are not applying science to anything, just BS.
It is pointless to argue though as the only way to prove anything is for all to be present in the same place with a system and cables, and we can all have a listen.
Its the only way".
By all means have a listen, but if you want the best possible sound use thick (low resistance) wire for your speakers. *biggrin*
It is pointless to argue though as the only way to prove anything is for all to be present in the same place with a system and cables, and we can all have a listen.
Its the only way".
By all means have a listen, but if you want the best possible sound use thick (low resistance) wire for your speakers. *biggrin*
bigfish786
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i know they can sound different, i have 4 different types of cables in my set-up. the cheapest being a gotham off ebay, and the dearest being a graham slee cable.
i have tried all cables on all seperates and have chosen the ones i think sound best with each component.
my favourite cable i have is Atlas,it is punchy, and crystal clear. the graham slee cable has slightly less treble, which calms sibilance a little on the turntable, and promotes bass . the best all-round cable i have is a JVC cable, cost around 25 quid, is made very well, and is the most balanced and neutral cable i have.
speaker cable, i have audioquest long grain copper, which i found to be a very good upgrade to the basic 4mm copper cable i had before.
i hope the negativity around cables doesn't put people off experimenting, not just with cables, but with speaker position, isolation, room acoustics, and anything else that can help you eek out that little bit more from your set-up. most of all, be happy with how your system sounds and enjoy your music.
i have tried all cables on all seperates and have chosen the ones i think sound best with each component.
my favourite cable i have is Atlas,it is punchy, and crystal clear. the graham slee cable has slightly less treble, which calms sibilance a little on the turntable, and promotes bass . the best all-round cable i have is a JVC cable, cost around 25 quid, is made very well, and is the most balanced and neutral cable i have.
speaker cable, i have audioquest long grain copper, which i found to be a very good upgrade to the basic 4mm copper cable i had before.
i hope the negativity around cables doesn't put people off experimenting, not just with cables, but with speaker position, isolation, room acoustics, and anything else that can help you eek out that little bit more from your set-up. most of all, be happy with how your system sounds and enjoy your music.
TrevC
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bigfish786 said:
As long as you use low resistance wire for your speakers you'lll be fine. No need to buy expensive interconnects, an interconnect is entirely non-critical. Look at the interconnect used here in the budget system.
http://matrixhifi.com/ENG_contenedor_ppec.htm
TrevC
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So now all these factors matter.....lol
Signals dissipating, signal attenuation and all this in cables....ffs!
Oh boy.....:$
Signals dissipating, signal attenuation and all this in cables....ffs!
Oh boy.....:$
TrevC said:
The thing is what is a cable? it terms of is its just the metal of the cable which logic can easily be applied to how it will react and to be fair man has understood that a very long time or its the metal , the shielding, and the terminations? Clearly just a bare wire is not going to work very well so its fairly safe to assume that the terminations and shielding will have an impact on the way it performs.... just putting it out there
TrevC
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Thompson you believe you can hear the difference between copper and silver cables due to difference in metal resistance at same gauge and length.
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/tables/rstiv.html
Silver - 0.0000000159 ohms per meter.
Copper - 0.0000000168 ohms per meter.
Wow... LOL!
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/tables/rstiv.html
Silver - 0.0000000159 ohms per meter.
Copper - 0.0000000168 ohms per meter.
Wow... LOL!
TrevC said:
Who's Lol? Another dead writer with whom you're suggesting I should discuss things? I'm afraid I don't have your faith in an afterlife, so would find the idea of such discussions impossible.
TrevC
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kmlav said:
A bare wire on a speaker will work just fine as long as it doesn't short, and the termination makes no difference as long as the connection is properly made. Shielding is only important on interconnects, it does nothing for speaker wires.
TrevC
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Vladimir said:
try it for yourself .... I heard differences on my previous system when switching between copper and silver speaker cables
use Prince's Purple Rain track and post here after you have tried the comparison
I could not hear differences when comparing speaker cables of the same type (copper vs copper and silver vs silver)...
until you have tried this comparison, you are merely 'speculating'
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