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Along with the Iotas. but there's another snag: Because I'm so used to the depth of sound one only gets from floorstanders if they are too small it'll sound too puny. That's the issue I have the DB1is. They just lack a scintilla of bass extension, hence why the Rainmakers and ProAcs seem to fit the bill a little more than the smaller boxes or the hunking Kefs.
 
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... I saw the 'R' range: R100, 300 and they are strange proportions. Quite small in height but unbelievably deep.

That's been the trend since the late 1990s with most loudspeakers.

I once did a sad little survey of this phenomena in speaker dimensions and 1997 - 1998 seemed to be the turning point where most major brands started making speakers that were a little deeper than they were wide. Go back just a few years from that point and most loudspeakers obeyed the 'wider and shallower' trend that had been prevalent since the 1960s.

One of the most ridiculous looking speakers I have seen recently are the PMC Fact 8s. (155mm wide x 380mm deep.)

Two speaker designers have admitted (on this forum) that it is mostly due to fashion / WAF / smaller rooms in modern homes and not, primarily, down to acoustic principles. This is why you will rarely see bass drivers more than 6.5" being employed in modern speakers and (partly) why the reflex ported cabinet has achieved almost total dominance over 'infininite baffle' (sealed cabinet) types.

Slim speaker cabinets look great in photographs and you'll rarely see them pictured at more than a slight angle. (To obscure their excessive and sometimes quite alarming depth.)

Add to this the usual recommendations to place speakers quite a distance from walls and corners and I honestly think that some of the old cabinets (of an equivalent internal volume) looked far more domestically acceptable and didn't require as much space.

One of the reasons I went after the Tannoys was precisely because they didn't just sound good, they looked right physically. Tried the R100s and they sounded lumpy. Nice looking speaker, more of a cube than anything else, but need room to breathe. Soundwise though, the balance of the DC4 was better, albeit at almost half the price of the R100.
 

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PP, its more of a family day room with sofa/table/chairs and open plan kitchen, its somwhere for the missus to play Rhianna & Take That cos it aint coming anywhere near MY system :)
 

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One of the reasons I went after the Tannoys was precisely because they didn't just sound good, they looked right physically.

You aren't wrong. Dimensionally they are a real 'throwback' aren't they?

Almost square in cross section at 152mm x 162mm.

Nice.
 
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You aren't wrong. Dimensionally they are a real 'throwback' aren't they?

Almost square in cross section at 152mm x 162mm.

Nice.

I was always surprised at the shape of speakers like the B&W 685, which people waxed lyrical over, but the dimensions just looked plain odd! Mission's 751 was a bigger speaker, but dimensionally fine again. I have a smaller room now but the DC4 is a perfect fit and the finish is impressive (real wood). Works for me!
 

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So get a new space, don't blame the industry..................

How's one do that? Perhaps I should employ Sooty to magic me a new space.

Can't make honey out of dog s***

Exactly, so why does it annoy you?

We all have to live within our constraints be it spacial or monetry, I would love a dedicated music room but I know it will never happen ....................
 

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Exactly, so why does it annoy you?

I could imagine someone being peeved at how ugly / badly proportioned a reputedly superb set of speakers are - in reality - when they might otherwise be perfect for your system and perfect for your budget.

Take the new ATC SCM7s and 11s. They look a whole order of magnitude better than their predecessors (IMO) ...

ATC-7-speaker_no-grill-650x1024.png


But then they put ugly chicken wire grilles on them!

ATC-11-speaker_grill-on-e1375348761251.jpg


Eek!
 

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chebby said:
Sospri said:
Exactly, so why does it annoy you?

I could imagine someone being peeved at how ugly / badly proportioned a reputedly superb set of speakers are - in reality - when they might otherwise be perfect for your system and perfect for your budget.

Take the new ATC SCM7s and 11s. They look a whole order of magnitude better than their predecessors (IMO) ...

ATC-7-speaker_no-grill-650x1024.png


But then they put ugly chicken wire grilles on them!

ATC-11-speaker_grill-on-e1375348761251.jpg


Eek!

+1 chebby

i've post on the ACT thread that i prefere the new look of the SCM range, and if they exist 1 year ago probably they would be on my stands!

But with grilles on OMG... :wall:
 
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chebby said:
Sospri said:
Exactly, so why does it annoy you?

I could imagine someone being peeved at how ugly / badly proportioned a reputedly superb set of speakers are - in reality - when they might otherwise be perfect for your system and perfect for your budget.

Take the new ATC SCM7s and 11s. They look a whole order of magnitude better than their predecessors (IMO) ...

ATC-7-speaker_no-grill-650x1024.png


But then they put ugly chicken wire grilles on them!

ATC-11-speaker_grill-on-e1375348761251.jpg


Eek!

+1 chebby

i've post on the ACT thread that i prefere the new look of the SCM range, and if they exist 1 year ago probably they would be on my stands!

But with grilles on OMG... :wall:

Clearly who ever designed those grilles are part-time bee keepers. :)
 

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I read on the Naim forum that the fuses they recommend, you know the 13 amp ones that their equipment can't possibly need, are directional, ie they work better one way round than the other. I wonder if you have your fuses in the wrong way? Possibly you live in the Southern hemisphere as I read the fuses work the other way round there.

Chris

PS If your problems persist I can recommend a good exorcist.

PPS Have you thought about a divorce in order to get a room where you can have the equipment you truly desire? Financially it's really bad news, trust me I've been there, but nobody can gainsay me if I want to house my speakers in baths of liquid nitrogen or whatever the latest idea from the hifi loonies is.
 

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I read on the Naim forum that the fuses they recommend, you know the 13 amp ones that their equipment can't possibly need, are directional, ie they work better one way round than the other. I wonder if you have your fuses in the wrong way? Possibly you live in the Southern hemisphere as I read the fuses work the other way round there.

Chris

PS If your problems persist I can recommend a good exorcist.

PPS Have you thought about a divorce in order to get a room where you can have the equipment you truly desire? Financially it's really bad news, trust me I've been there, but nobody can gainsay me if I want to house my speakers in baths of liquid nitrogen or whatever the latest idea from the hifi loonies is.

As you say you read that on the Naim forum, not stated by Naim.

You will get loonies everyware, there are loads on this site................
 

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Sospri said:
Covenanter said:
I read on the Naim forum that the fuses they recommend, you know the 13 amp ones that their equipment can't possibly need, are directional, ie they work better one way round than the other. I wonder if you have your fuses in the wrong way? Possibly you live in the Southern hemisphere as I read the fuses work the other way round there.

Chris

PS If your problems persist I can recommend a good exorcist.

PPS Have you thought about a divorce in order to get a room where you can have the equipment you truly desire? Financially it's really bad news, trust me I've been there, but nobody can gainsay me if I want to house my speakers in baths of liquid nitrogen or whatever the latest idea from the hifi loonies is.

As you say you read that on the Naim forum, not stated by Naim.

You will get loonies everyware, there are loads on this site................

I believe it was posted by the forum Administrator but I don't know if he works for Naim.

Chris
 

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Covenanter said:
Sospri said:
Covenanter said:
I read on the Naim forum that the fuses they recommend, you know the 13 amp ones that their equipment can't possibly need, are directional, ie they work better one way round than the other. I wonder if you have your fuses in the wrong way? Possibly you live in the Southern hemisphere as I read the fuses work the other way round there.

Chris

PS If your problems persist I can recommend a good exorcist.

PPS Have you thought about a divorce in order to get a room where you can have the equipment you truly desire? Financially it's really bad news, trust me I've been there, but nobody can gainsay me if I want to house my speakers in baths of liquid nitrogen or whatever the latest idea from the hifi loonies is.

As you say you read that on the Naim forum, not stated by Naim.

You will get loonies everyware, there are loads on this site................

I believe it was posted by the forum Administrator but I don't know if he works for Naim.

Chris

Ah so a certain make of fuse was not recommended by Naim, I do wish people would get their facts straight before they post lies.................
 

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Someone can check what is printed on the back of their Nait 5i to confirm, but I think the replacement for the mains AC inlet fuse is a T2AL 250V Antisurge. (UK)

Anyway, check for yourself and only replace the fuse on the IEC mains socket with exactly what is instructed on the back of the unit and ignore anything else.
 

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Sospri said:
Covenanter said:
Sospri said:
Covenanter said:
I read on the Naim forum that the fuses they recommend, you know the 13 amp ones that their equipment can't possibly need, are directional, ie they work better one way round than the other. I wonder if you have your fuses in the wrong way? Possibly you live in the Southern hemisphere as I read the fuses work the other way round there.

Chris

PS If your problems persist I can recommend a good exorcist.

PPS Have you thought about a divorce in order to get a room where you can have the equipment you truly desire? Financially it's really bad news, trust me I've been there, but nobody can gainsay me if I want to house my speakers in baths of liquid nitrogen or whatever the latest idea from the hifi loonies is.

As you say you read that on the Naim forum, not stated by Naim.

You will get loonies everyware, there are loads on this site................

I believe it was posted by the forum Administrator but I don't know if he works for Naim.

Chris

Ah so a certain make of fuse was not recommended by Naim, I do wish people would get their facts straight before they post lies.................

" ... the equipment does seem to sound better with the fuse fitted in a particular direction (see post in the FAQ). Strangely it seems the opposite orientation sounds best in the Southern hemisphere. " - Naim Forum

So what kind of "lie" is that?

Chris
 

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Covenanter said:
Sospri said:
Covenanter said:
Sospri said:
Covenanter said:
I read on the Naim forum that the fuses they recommend, you know the 13 amp ones that their equipment can't possibly need, are directional, ie they work better one way round than the other. I wonder if you have your fuses in the wrong way? Possibly you live in the Southern hemisphere as I read the fuses work the other way round there.

Chris

PS If your problems persist I can recommend a good exorcist.

PPS Have you thought about a divorce in order to get a room where you can have the equipment you truly desire? Financially it's really bad news, trust me I've been there, but nobody can gainsay me if I want to house my speakers in baths of liquid nitrogen or whatever the latest idea from the hifi loonies is.

As you say you read that on the Naim forum, not stated by Naim.

You will get loonies everyware, there are loads on this site................

I believe it was posted by the forum Administrator but I don't know if he works for Naim.

Chris

Ah so a certain make of fuse was not recommended by Naim, I do wish people would get their facts straight before they post lies.................

" ... the equipment does seem to sound better with the fuse fitted in a particular direction (see post in the FAQ). Strangely it seems the opposite orientation sounds best in the Southern hemisphere. " - Naim Forum

So what kind of "lie" is that?

Chris

Can you tell me where Naim as a manufacturere recommends a particular make and direction of fuse as you were referring ?
 

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Good grief.

Replace fuses with the same kind specified in print next to the IEC mains connector.

Follow the instruction manual or call Naim themselves or your Naim dealer for advice if in doubt.
 

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Sospri said:
Covenanter said:
Sospri said:
Covenanter said:
Sospri said:
Covenanter said:
I read on the Naim forum that the fuses they recommend, you know the 13 amp ones that their equipment can't possibly need, are directional, ie they work better one way round than the other. I wonder if you have your fuses in the wrong way? Possibly you live in the Southern hemisphere as I read the fuses work the other way round there.

Chris

PS If your problems persist I can recommend a good exorcist.

PPS Have you thought about a divorce in order to get a room where you can have the equipment you truly desire? Financially it's really bad news, trust me I've been there, but nobody can gainsay me if I want to house my speakers in baths of liquid nitrogen or whatever the latest idea from the hifi loonies is.

As you say you read that on the Naim forum, not stated by Naim.

You will get loonies everyware, there are loads on this site................

I believe it was posted by the forum Administrator but I don't know if he works for Naim.

Chris

Ah so a certain make of fuse was not recommended by Naim, I do wish people would get their facts straight before they post lies.................

" ... the equipment does seem to sound better with the fuse fitted in a particular direction (see post in the FAQ). Strangely it seems the opposite orientation sounds best in the Southern hemisphere. " - Naim Forum

So what kind of "lie" is that?

Chris

Can you tell me where Naim as a manufacturere recommends a particular make and direction of fuse as you were referring ?

It on here: http://forums.naimaudio.com/topic/equipment-fuses
 

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