Rega Elicit R - Happy

[drummerman]

Interesting that the forums (most) favourite amplifier manages a similar output capability from a power supply rated at a maximum of 155va.

Which just goes to show there are watts and there are watts........ :?

Do the maths yourself Dave. 26-0-26 volts @ 6amps and 8 volts @ 1 amp. Equals 320Va but it will be wound on a 400Va frame. How they get 40 watts a side from a 155Va transformer I don't know. Please tell me. :?

I read some time ago that manufacturers are not obliged to quote a 'maximum consumption' rating anymore but rather can quote average ... whatever that means. Something that was pointed out when looking at some Bryston power amplifiers with transformer ratings way beyond the consumption figure.

Perhaps that explains the sometimes odd figures.

Regards

 

[paul darwin]

Dazmb,

Not sure we can jump to that conclusion immediately, as the content of the thread points out different situations can give different results, although I would certainly check with your dealer if you are unhappy in any way with the performance of the amplifier.

Paul Darwin

Rega Research

 

[stevebrock]

Been to listen to a Sugden A21 today - well somewhat dissapointed with presentation - I don't know if its my thing or not, found it a little duller than the Elicit R, Speakers were PMC GB1. I guess you could listen to it for hours and hours, think I would get bored though.

 

[plastic penguin]

Been to listen to a Sugden A21 today - well somewhat dissapointed with presentation - I don't know if its my thing or not, found it a little duller than the Elicit R, Speakers were PMC GB1. I guess you could listen to it for hours and hours, think I would get bored though.

Ahem...

 

[Richard Allen]

Been to listen to a Sugden A21 today - well somewhat dissapointed with presentation - I don't know if its my thing or not, found it a little duller than the Elicit R, Speakers were PMC GB1. I guess you could listen to it for hours and hours, think I would get bored though.

Steve. May I make a polite suggestion please??.

At the risk of you jumping down my keyboard, stop auditioning other amps until you know one way or the other as to whether Rega can sort your problem. I know it's frustrating but what you're doing is inflicting yourself with unnecessary ' upgradeitis '. You've already said you love the Rega sound so stick with it for the time being but by the time you've finished listening to loads of other kit I feel you'll not be sure of anything you listen to.

Never mind what is suggested on here. Bear it in mind, sure. Some really good pointers here but don't do it just yet. If the Rega ends up a nail, which I don't think it will because I think Rega WILL sort it out, then go looking.

Just a polite suggestion mate, that's all. :cheers:

 

[stevebrock]

Thanks Richard, You are only telling me what I already know myself - maybe a lot of pressure off other forum members to bin the Rega. As planned I am taking my Elicit back in the morning, if I can get a replacement without any buzzing then I will be sticking with the Elciit. I ws going to get a Destiny 2 on home demo but as you rightly say I have already found an amp that I like. Hopefuly the replacement will put this post to bed tomorrow.

 

[paul darwin]

Hi Steve,

I drove up to Cymbiosis this morning to listen to your replacement Elicit R for myself and I can confirm that it is as quiet as a church mouse in operation.

Best,

Paul Darwin

Rega Research

 

[stevebrock]

Hi Steve,

I drove up to Cymbiosis this morning to listen to your replacement Elicit R for myself and I can confirm that it is as quiet as a church mouse in operation.

Best,

Paul Darwin

Rega Research

Thanks very much, I have literally just come off the phone to Cymbiosis this minute confriming I will be doing a straight box swap.

I believe you also collected the loan RP10?

 

[Richard Allen]

Hi Steve,

I drove up to Cymbiosis this morning to listen to your replacement Elicit R for myself and I can confirm that it is as quiet as a church mouse in operation.

Best,

Paul Darwin

Rega Research

Don't mice squeak Paul??? :rofl:

 

[BigH]

Hi Steve,

I drove up to Cymbiosis this morning to listen to your replacement Elicit R for myself and I can confirm that it is as quiet as a church mouse in operation.

Best,

Paul Darwin

Rega Research

Don't mice squeak Paul??? :rofl:

You better get the refund then

 

[Richard Allen]

Hi Steve,

I drove up to Cymbiosis this morning to listen to your replacement Elicit R for myself and I can confirm that it is as quiet as a church mouse in operation.

Best,

Paul Darwin

Rega Research

Don't mice squeak Paul??? :rofl:

You better get the refund then

Ohh! Behave yerself.

 

[plastic penguin]

Hi Steve,

I drove up to Cymbiosis this morning to listen to your replacement Elicit R for myself and I can confirm that it is as quiet as a church mouse in operation.

Best,

Paul Darwin

Rega Research

Don't mice squeak Paul??? :rofl:

You better get the refund then

Yup - a hum and a squeak. It's a lot worse than I thought.

 

[Richard Allen]

Hi Steve,

I drove up to Cymbiosis this morning to listen to your replacement Elicit R for myself and I can confirm that it is as quiet as a church mouse in operation.

Best,

Paul Darwin

Rega Research

Don't mice squeak Paul??? :rofl:

You better get the refund then

Yup - a hum and a squeak. It's a lot worse than I thought.

Oh behave yerselves u 2. :shhh:

 

[CnoEvil]

Been to listen to a Sugden A21 today - well somewhat dissapointed with presentation - I don't know if its my thing or not, found it a little duller than the Elicit R, Speakers were PMC GB1. I guess you could listen to it for hours and hours, think I would get bored though.

Even if you stick with Rega, and I think you probably should given their effort to sort things out; I think it was no harm to hear the Sugden in order to put your mind at ease.

Was it the SE version, which is gutsier and livelier?

Sometimes a smoother sound can take a while to fully appreciate, but saying that, there are those who will just miss the livelier sound they've become used to.

 

[plastic penguin]

Been to listen to a Sugden A21 today - well somewhat dissapointed with presentation - I don't know if its my thing or not, found it a little duller than the Elicit R, Speakers were PMC GB1. I guess you could listen to it for hours and hours, think I would get bored though.

Even if you stick with Rega, and I think you probably should given their effort to sort things out; I think it was no harm to hear the Sugden in order to put your mind at ease.

Was it the SE version, which is gutsier and livelier?

Sometimes a smoother sound can take a while to fully appreciate, but saying that, there are those who will just miss the livelier sound they've become used to.

This is why in an earlier post said: "Think steve will be in for a shock when he hears the Sugden. Don't doubt their quality but the tonal difference could be poles apart."

Think going from a Rega - I've always claimed the Leema is the nearest to the Rega - the Sugden or other warm/Class A amps will be too much of a leap. Not saying for one moment there's anything wrong with Sugden or similar amps but, as you know yourself, trying to adjust to totally different presentation would take a monumental jump.

 

[CJSF]

Been to listen to a Sugden A21 today - well somewhat dissapointed with presentation - I don't know if its my thing or not, found it a little duller than the Elicit R, Speakers were PMC GB1. I guess you could listen to it for hours and hours, think I would get bored though.

A small point, one of the good things about full set valve amps, 'change the valves to give you the sound you like' . . . something I am in the process of doing at the moment, getting a lot out of the 'speakers' by matching the valves to their strong points. I'm finding the bias setting can also change the presentation (bias setting kept with in the limits of the manufacturers recommendations). On my ST40, the less the bias, the warmer/smoother the sound becomes, but still retaining the drive and dynamics or feeling, sensitivity on the recording that the artist intended? 'Adding what is not there' seems to defeat the object at this level . . . :?

CJSF

 

[CnoEvil]

This is why in an earlier post said: "Think steve will be in for a shock when he hears the Sugden. Don't doubt their quality but the tonal difference could be poles apart."

Think going from a Rega - I've always claimed the Leema is the nearest to the Rega - the Sugden or other warm/Class A amps will be too much of a leap. Not saying for one moment there's anything wrong with Sugden or similar amps but, as you know yourself, trying to adjust to totally different presentation would take a monumental jump.

On balance, it was a good call....though it's only by trying different stuff, that one narrows down what works.

I will always encourage people to try as wide a variety of alternatives as poss......and then it's down to them to trust their own judgement.

 

[stevebrock]

In no way was the Sugden inferior - just was a little laid back for my taste.

And for the effort Rega & Cymbiosis have put in on this then I do feel I should try the replacement - I have a good relationship with Cymbiosis as they let me demo stuff at home. Especially as they will have some ex-demo Kudos coming up sometime this year (heard the C30 with an Elicit and it was very nice)

 

[drummerman]

Been to listen to a Sugden A21 today - well somewhat dissapointed with presentation - I don't know if its my thing or not, found it a little duller than the Elicit R, Speakers were PMC GB1. I guess you could listen to it for hours and hours, think I would get bored though.

A small point, one of the good things about full set valve amps, 'change the valves to give you the sound you like' . . . something I am in the process of doing at the moment, getting a lot out of the 'speakers' by matching the valves to their strong points. I'm finding the bias setting can also change the presentation (bias setting kept with in the limits of the manufacturers recommendations). On my ST40, the less the bias, the warmer/smoother the sound becomes, but still retaining the drive and dynamics or feeling, sensitivity on the recording that the artist intended? 'Adding what is not there' seems to defeat the object at this level . . . :?

CJSF

Mmmh, double edged sword that one. Not unlike switchable digital filters on DAC's, valve rolling, bias tweaking etc. can lead to endless tweaking ending in more confusion than musical satisfaction.

Kinda better to accept that all recordings/media are not equal and just enjoy them for what they are ...

regards

 

[alchemist 1]

Anything could happen in the next 24 hrs...........Stingray aahhh, Stingray d,da ,DER.!!!!!!

 

[radiorog]

Hi Steve,

I drove up to Cymbiosis this morning to listen to your replacement Elicit R for myself and I can confirm that it is as quiet as a church mouse in operation.

Best,

Paul Darwin

Rega Research

Without wanting to blow too much smoke anywhere, that is pretty darn fine service so far. I can't think of any HiFi companies within my budget that would provide anything like such personal service. It was one of the ideas that appealed to me when buying my amp, knowing that the manufacturer was in the UK, and things went wrong, they would hopefully not be a faceless seller. As mentioned in my earlier post on this thread, the service I received was outstanding too, as this seems to be going. I sincerely hope your replacement amp is 100% Aok Steve. Good luck!

 

[CJSF]

Been to listen to a Sugden A21 today - well somewhat dissapointed with presentation - I don't know if its my thing or not, found it a little duller than the Elicit R, Speakers were PMC GB1. I guess you could listen to it for hours and hours, think I would get bored though.

A small point, one of the good things about full set valve amps, 'change the valves to give you the sound you like' . . . something I am in the process of doing at the moment, getting a lot out of the 'speakers' by matching the valves to their strong points. I'm finding the bias setting can also change the presentation (bias setting kept with in the limits of the manufacturers recommendations). On my ST40, the less the bias, the warmer/smoother the sound becomes, but still retaining the drive and dynamics or feeling, sensitivity on the recording that the artist intended? 'Adding what is not there' seems to defeat the object at this level . . . :?

CJSF

Mmmh, double edged sword that one. Not unlike switchable digital filters on DAC's, valve rolling, bias tweaking etc. can lead to endless tweaking ending in more confusion than musical satisfaction.

Kinda better to accept that all recordings/media are not equal and just enjoy them for what they are ...

regards

True Drummerman, but it works, it is very fine tuning, I like it because its general low cost, (keep away from fancy expensive valves), the cheap'uns work just as well, I learn more of how my amp and system work together, I'm a tweaker . . . the trick knowing when to stop, sit back and enjoy the music . . . I think I'm there, certainly very satisfied.

A plus for me, because I have played, I know when its the recording, the VTA or my amp bias is drifting, a quick job to fix and get on with enjoying the music . . .

CJSF

 

[Macspur]

Been to listen to a Sugden A21 today - well somewhat dissapointed with presentation - I don't know if its my thing or not, found it a little duller than the Elicit R, Speakers were PMC GB1. I guess you could listen to it for hours and hours, think I would get bored though.

A small point, one of the good things about full set valve amps, 'change the valves to give you the sound you like' . . . something I am in the process of doing at the moment, getting a lot out of the 'speakers' by matching the valves to their strong points. I'm finding the bias setting can also change the presentation (bias setting kept with in the limits of the manufacturers recommendations). On my ST40, the less the bias, the warmer/smoother the sound becomes, but still retaining the drive and dynamics or feeling, sensitivity on the recording that the artist intended? 'Adding what is not there' seems to defeat the object at this level . . . :?

CJSF

Mmmh, double edged sword that one. Not unlike switchable digital filters on DAC's, valve rolling, bias tweaking etc. can lead to endless tweaking ending in more confusion than musical satisfaction.

Kinda better to accept that all recordings/media are not equal and just enjoy them for what they are ...

regards

As lovely as the valves are, I tend to agree.

Mac

www.macsmusic.blogbubble.net

 

[Frank Harvey]

Anyone with an amp that hums or buzzes can always plug it into the cooker mains socket in the kitchen. With nothing else being present on this circuit, interference from other products can be ruled out.

 

[MUSICRAFT]

that is pretty darn fine service so far. It was one of the ideas that appealed to me when buying my amp, knowing that the manufacturer was in the UK, and things went wrong, they would hopefully not be a faceless seller. As mentioned in my earlier post on this thread, the service I received was outstanding too, as this seems to be going.

Hi radiorog

Nice one

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft