Rega Elicit R - Happy

[Richard Allen]

A reputation like yours DDC??. For telling people what they don't want to hear??. The truth??. So be it.

Like the OP, I've also been thinking. Have had a quote for a laminate TX for my amp that is reasonably priced and not too big at 400Va. Think I'm going to walk down this route with a brick in the opposite end of the chassis. Just to balance things out you understand. :roll:

 

[Richard Allen]

Input 1 is the in built phono stage

However when I unplug the TT from Input 1 the humming is worse!!!!!!!

A high gain input will be noisy if it is open circuit, nothing unusual in this.

The best way to check is to use shorting plugs and check for noise then, it will be higher than the line inputs as there is a lot more gain, again this is normal.

Impossible to be sure from a distance, but it sounds like a grounding issue.

What is your player, cartridge etc?

If the cart is MC then the amount of gain is ridiculous. FWIW, these issues are the reason why pro audio manufacturers fit' ground lift' switches to alleviate hum problems.

 

[davedotco]

A reputation like yours DDC??. For telling people what they don't want to hear??. The truth??. So be it.

Like the OP, I've also been thinking. Have had a quote for a laminate TX for my amp that is reasonably priced and not too big at 400Va. Think I'm going to walk down this route with a brick in the opposite end of the chassis. Just to balance things out you understand. :roll:

Missing a trick here Richard. :twisted:

The trx should always be mounted in the center, you can then gain 'audiophile credits' by splitting the circuit board to either side and claiming dual mono construction. You also need to work out a fancy name for the trx, 'R-core' has been taken, how about 'fully symetrical H-core'?

Just out of interest, and for my own information, what sort of continuous power would you expect a power supply built around such a device to develop? What sort of power are you looking to get in your amplifier?

 

[davedotco]

Input 1 is the in built phono stage

However when I unplug the TT from Input 1 the humming is worse!!!!!!!

A high gain input will be noisy if it is open circuit, nothing unusual in this.

The best way to check is to use shorting plugs and check for noise then, it will be higher than the line inputs as there is a lot more gain, again this is normal.

Impossible to be sure from a distance, but it sounds like a grounding issue.

What is your player, cartridge etc?

If the cart is MC then the amount of gain is ridiculous. FWIW, these issues are the reason why pro audio manufacturers fit' ground lift' switches to alleviate hum problems.

It is really not a difficult issue, you just have to be careful and rigorous with your grounding arangements. Rega players are usually dead simply, the cartridge and arm all earth through the screen on the phono cable. Only issue that I have ever come across is metal bodied cartriges earthing through the wiring and via the metal arm causing a loop. Shouldn't be a proplem with the MP200.

The ground lift switch is primarily required because the pro-industry can't make it's mind up how to wire a 3 pin XLR...... :wall:

 

[BigH]

Steve, the problems just seem to be mounting up. First your strange sound problem on Elicit-R 1, then the humming on Elicit-R 2, and now this new issue on Elicit-R 2, not to mention the other forum member who had a channel fail on his Elicit-R.

I know you love the sound, but how long do you want to keep being Rega's quality control?

For me this new issue would be the final straw. I wouldn't expect these issues on a £300 amp, never mind a £1600 one.

Absolutely right. If they can't make an amp that doesn't hum ...

Chris

I have said it before a big ?mark over Rega, its not just their amps, the RP1 also has had problems with hum from the motor, other TTs have been found to be wonky, now 3 or 4 Elicit amps have had to be replaced within a few months from new.

I would give REga 1 more chance on the proviso that you can get a full refund if not happy with the next one.

 

[Richard Allen]

A reputation like yours DDC??. For telling people what they don't want to hear??. The truth??. So be it.

Like the OP, I've also been thinking. Have had a quote for a laminate TX for my amp that is reasonably priced and not too big at 400Va. Think I'm going to walk down this route with a brick in the opposite end of the chassis. Just to balance things out you understand. :roll:

Just out of interest, and for my own information, what sort of continuous power would you expect a power supply built around such a device to develop? What sort of power are you looking to get in your amplifier?

If all goes well ( ??? ), about 40 watts into 8 ohms and 60 into 4 ohms. Before I confirm that though it will be run up at stated power into dummy loads both channels driven with twin beam scope on the outputs and I won't be testing at the usual 1KHz, I'll be using pink noise which, as you know, has constant drive thro the frequency range. Pointless saying it's 40 watts a side @ 1K when it's only about 10 watts at 30Hz. We'll find all this out when the Tx arrives and I ramp it all up. I'll keep you informed.

 

[Richard Allen]

The ground lift switch is primarily required because the pro-industry can't make it's mind up how to wire a 3 pin XLR...... :wall:

Tell me about it!!! :rofl:

 

[Vladimir]

If we all give them a one more chance they don't really need to change. Business as usual.

 

[Frank Harvey]

Just speaking the truth. How many posts has Mr. Darwin made? If he or any other Rega employees or management contributed on a regular basis that would be acceptable. But they haven't until the muck hit the fan recently.

How many manufacturers get involved on forums? And of those that do, how many post on a regular basis? Most manufacturers don't get involved at all. Many dealers don't get involved either except for when someone complains about them, and yet when they reply they're praised.

 

[Richard Allen]

Agree David.

I post on here in fits n starts but I try to answer peoples questions about all kit based on my experience in the electronics and audio trade. A lot of my comments get completely ignored because either they don't understand or it's not backed up in WHF. But HEY HO!!. The amount of times I've recommended listening to the likes of ATC, KEF, Roksan and Naim I cannot honestly remember. If I can't comment or feel unsure about something then I'll stay quiet rather than posting a link to a website wherever.

 

[AlbaBrown]

For what it's worth, my local dealer dropped Rega 2 years ago as he, in his own words, said "They have gone from producing a small range of products offering good quality at a reasonable price, to a firm producing too many products (for a company with their infrastructure) with declining standards and increasing prices".

Pretty damning and sad in equal measure.

I'd suggest trying an Exposure 3010S2. Wonderfully musical, tonally silky in the treble, expressive in the mids, and assured in the bass. Plus the add-on phono boards are fantastically transparent!

A very good option alongside the Naim Nait XS2 (I heard the original and it was it was a solid upgrade from my Nait 5i-2).

Plus it's sad to see that apart from a few individuals on here who actually have genuine technical experience of torodial transformers (and power supplies in general), the members who have NO technical experience, but plenty of forum-based research, tend to shout the loudest (and most frequently).

 

[Richard Allen]

Plus it's sad to see that apart from a few individuals on here who actually have genuine technical experience of torodial transformers (and power supplies in general), the members who have NO technical experience, but plenty of forum-based research, tend to shout the loudest (and most frequently).

Does that mean we need tweezers on the threads Alba?. :rofl:

 

[Richard Allen]

OK. Joking aside, I genuinely believe that Rega will suss this problem out.

Stevebrock has just been incredibly unlucky but that doesn't mean 'Bin the Rega'.

I have genuinely good experiences under my belt with the Apollo, Brio etc. Hell!!. I own an RP3 that has given nothing other than pure pleasure over the years. The fact should be acknowledged that this isn't just a potential Rega problem, It's a potential ' Any Amp with a toroidal tranny' problem and could conceivably happen to any amp maker. As Davedotco said, That's the way it is. And until the forum screamers get used to this idea, we won't move on.

FACT: Toroidals are smaller, lighter and more powerful sizewise than their laminate counterparts. Stray magnetics are less but, on the downside toroidals do suffer from greater start up surge and don't like any DC on the line whatsoever.

Laminates on the other hand don't suffer to the same degree from mains borne interference due to the construction. They also have less start up surge than toroidals. Both of these are down to the inherent damping factor. The downside is the fact that pound for pound they are larger, heavier and generally more expensive than their toroidal counterparts.

As I've already said, Rega will suss this problem and sort it out accordingly. I have no doubt of that.

 

[davedotco]

A reputation like yours DDC??. For telling people what they don't want to hear??. The truth??. So be it.

Like the OP, I've also been thinking. Have had a quote for a laminate TX for my amp that is reasonably priced and not too big at 400Va. Think I'm going to walk down this route with a brick in the opposite end of the chassis. Just to balance things out you understand. :roll:

Just out of interest, and for my own information, what sort of continuous power would you expect a power supply built around such a device to develop? What sort of power are you looking to get in your amplifier?

If all goes well ( ??? ), about 40 watts into 8 ohms and 60 into 4 ohms. Before I confirm that though it will be run up at stated power into dummy loads both channels driven with twin beam scope on the outputs and I won't be testing at the usual 1KHz, I'll be using pink noise which, as you know, has constant drive thro the frequency range. Pointless saying it's 40 watts a side @ 1K when it's only about 10 watts at 30Hz. We'll find all this out when the Tx arrives and I ramp it all up. I'll keep you informed.

Interesting that the forums (most) favourite amplifier manages a similar output capability from a power supply rated at a maximum of 155va.

Which just goes to show there are watts and there are watts........ :?

 

[Sizzers]

REGA have “let you down”?

I suggest you read the posts in the TV forum on Panasonic plasmas if you want to know what being “let down” really means. Your wobbly TT platter? - resolved. Issue with your amp? - will be resolved (if you want it to be, of course).

When I had an issue with a loud buzzing through my speakers caused by a Brio-R, I directly emailed Paul Darwin explaining the issue and exactly what I had done to rule out any mains issues, cabling etc etc, and within probably three - and no more than four – emails he had made arrangements for a replacement tested amp to be made available for me from the dealer.

When I arrived with my faulty amp I fully expected it to be tested beforehand to confirm the fault but you know what?, they had been told to simply exchange it there and then. Yeah, I felt really let down!

You love the amp so go with it. I sincerely hope there are no problems with any replacement but if there are I’m sure you will be more than well looked after. Anyway, off to my tunes! :beer:

 

[kikiso]

Yes Steve, joking aside I do like the sound it makes, whether the source is my TT or whether I'm using it to provide the front speaker output for watching films. Vinyls have never sounded so good and I know I have plenty of upgrade potential for the cartridge.

 

[stevebrock]

Yes Steve, joking aside I do like the sound it makes, whether the source is my TT or whether I'm using it to provide the front speaker output for watching films. Vinyls have never sounded so good and I know I have plenty of upgrade potential for the cartridge.

Yep - Just spinning Massive Attack - Blue Lines, the instruments have soo much more convicition over the CD - sounds superb IMO

What TT?Cart?

 

[kikiso]

Ortofon Blue on my P25.

 

[chebby]

Ortofon Blue on my P25.

Which 'Blue'?

Ortofon currently have a Blue model in four of their ranges...

http://ortofon.com/products/cartridges

 

[Richard Allen]

Interesting that the forums (most) favourite amplifier manages a similar output capability from a power supply rated at a maximum of 155va.

Which just goes to show there are watts and there are watts........ :?

Do the maths yourself Dave. 26-0-26 volts @ 6amps and 8 volts @ 1 amp. Equals 320Va but it will be wound on a 400Va frame. How they get 40 watts a side from a 155Va transformer I don't know. Please tell me. :?

 

[nima]

Can't help myself not posting a quote from a neighbouring thread:

Roksan's technical department say this is not as it should be but having sent it to the supplier for testing/replacement it was simply returned with the note " Not fault found - hum with in normal levels (sic)".

To me any hum would be completely unecepable and I don't understand how some menufacturers get away with such things with some people.

But a point from a neighbouring thread is really, that Steve is getting exemplary after-sales service from his dealer and Rega.

 

[paul darwin]

Hi Albabrown,

Not sure who your local dealer is but he is technically wrong, we now make LESS products now than we used to having dropped pre and power amplifiers from the range.

Best,

Paul Darwin

Rega Research

 

[NHL]

Hi Albabrown,

Not sure who your local dealer is but he is technically wrong, we now make LESS products now than we used to having dropped pre and power amplifiers from the range.

Best,

Paul Darwin

Rega Research

Hi Paul!

You make great products but why not include this

http://www.lcaudio.com/index.php?page=316

inside the box?

Best regards

Completely satisfied Rega RP3 owner

 

[chebby]

Hi Albabrown,

Not sure who your local dealer is but he is technically wrong, we now make LESS products now than we used to having dropped pre and power amplifiers from the range.

Best,

Paul Darwin

Rega Research

And no tuner either.

I loved the 'Rega Radio' (in combination with the original Brio) that was the core of my system for 11 years from 1996.

The sky blue (special order via Nick in Jeffries, Portsmouth as it was then) Rega Planar 3 with tungsten counterweight and Goldring 1042 was only my secondary source as radio always came first.

I am suprised there is no FM / DAB / internet tuner in the current range. Any plans?

 

[paul darwin]

Hi NHL,

Thanks for the suggestion, the number of cases of mechanical hum from transformers is statistically miniscule and is often attributable to the quality of the incoming mains and / or other local factors.

Therfore the additional costs of putting extra circuitry in our products would be bourne by the thousands of users who do not experience any problems whatsoever, notwithstanding any potential effects on the performance of our products.

Best,

Paul Darwin

Rega Research