Wireworld Aurora Power Cable

[bigboss]

Why the need for so much lies? Just make it pretty and take my money damn it!

 

Power of suggestion increases sales. This isn't restricted to AV industry.

 

[CnoEvil]

Cno is pulling them back in the cave so he doesn't end up alone. Every sheep needs a herd. He may also be an absinthe addict (just speculating here).

For the hard of understanding, let me say again...

I am not trying to pull anyone anywhere. I have arrived at my own conclusions and encourage those who are interested, to arrive at theirs. My money was hard earned and as a result, I'm certainly sceptical enough to check things out before spending it....it's just that as a result of my findings, I have arrived at a different conclusion to some.

If you have done so, I would be genuinely interested in the P/Cs that you have tried and the equipment you have tried them on.

 

[Gazzip]

Cno is pulling them back in the cave so he doesn't end up alone. Every sheep needs a herd. He may also be an absinthe addict (just speculating here).

For the hard of understanding, let me say again...

I am not trying to pull anyone anywhere. I have arrived at my own conclusions and encourage those who are interested, to arrive at theirs. My money was hard earned and as a result, I'm certainly sceptical enough to check things out before spending it....it's just that as a result of my findings, I have arrived at a different conclusion to some.

If you have done so, I would be genuinely interested in the P/Cs that you have tried and the equipment you have tried them on.

.....and the Absinthe addiction?

 

[Vladimir]

If you have done so, I would be genuinely interested in the P/Cs that you have tried and the equipment you have tried them on.

That old tactic... I've tried Audioquest, Kimber, DIY and various heavy duty cords for electric power tools, everytime hit and miss with hearing improvements. Bare in mind this was the period when I used to put clay into CD players and bed them in pans filled with sand. I've learned otherwise since then. I still use separate DACs and LPSUs, so my foo isn't fully cured.

Hey, why not try a fresh glass of ebola to make sure it's bad for you like everyone says it is. Those scientists half the time just make up things called theories. What do they really know. Just go for it. *preved*

 

[Vladimir]

Cno is pulling them back in the cave so he doesn't end up alone. Every sheep needs a herd. He may also be an absinthe addict (just speculating here).

For the hard of understanding, let me say again...

I am not trying to pull anyone anywhere. I have arrived at my own conclusions and encourage those who are interested, to arrive at theirs. My money was hard earned and as a result, I'm certainly sceptical enough to check things out before spending it....it's just that as a result of my findings, I have arrived at a different conclusion to some.

If you have done so, I would be genuinely interested in the P/Cs that you have tried and the equipment you have tried them on.

.....and the Absinthe addiction?

He often mentions enjoying "Class A", whatever that A stands for.

 

[bigboss]

Vladimir, I think you're attacking Cno unnecessarily.

 

[CnoEvil]

.....and the Absinthe addiction?

My hallucinogen of choice comes from licking Colorado River Toads!

 

[Vladimir]

Why the need for so much lies? Just make it pretty and take my money damn it!

Power of suggestion increases sales. This isn't restricted to AV industry.

This is why I respect Bang & Olufsen. They are called a lifestyle company, not true performance audio. Right. And Rega, Marantz, Harman, Sugden, Kimber, MF etc. are performance oriented? They are the lifestyle snake oil sellers. With B&O you get actually amazing industrial design by award winning designers with inhouse engineering, not just botched up circuits from 1967. B&O is innovative at heart, everyone wants their ICE chips and modules and they repackage it as Bel Canto etc. It's bloody space age hi-fi compared to everything you see on the market. When you buy B&O you expect it to sound good, you don't read specs, you don't question it, you know it delivers. I don't need blody audioning and shuffling speakers and amps and looking for 'synergy'. If I had billions, I would NOT buy Naim or Wilson. I would just buy B&O.

 

[pyrrhon]

Sorry to be so negative as a first reply to your question but have you read any previous threads about cables on this forum ?

I only ask because the next 10 pages will be full of those who agree with you and those who think any type of specialist cable is rubbish arguing between them to the point where no one cares and the thread dies.

By the way welcome to the forums.

*bye*

Soooo true! Every thread gets hijacked here and always by the same few. Shame on them!

I'll also add to vlad and a few that that forcing your life philosophy on a thread about ac power cable does not make sense and my own skepticism forces me to conclude weird things about your motivations so you might want to examine yourself anew.

 

[CnoEvil]

That old tactic...

You mean, instead of using insults and ridicule as a tactic, in lieu of an argument.

 

[pyrrhon]

Cant you stop hijacking every single thread please. Its pathetic can you only answer question like : Yes I tried it but did not notice imporvement . Then pass along start your own philosophy threads. Or maybe you need to actually go to a philosophy forum ?

 

[Vladimir]

That old tactic...

You mean, instead of using insults and ridicule as a tactic, in lieu of an argument.

Honestly no insult intended. My appologies if it comes off as personal attack or anything beyond soapboxing. *blush*

 

[drummerman]

All of us skeptics began as gullible audiophools. However, unlike most we have a currious investigative mind. We have to ask 'why?' and demand reasonable explanation for our money. When eventually the snake oil scheme runs out of 'because', we get out of the game. Most never come back to hi-fi but few come back to pull people out of the cave and into the light. Cno is pulling them back in the cave so he doesn't end up alone. Every sheep needs a herd. He may also be an absinthe addict (just speculating here).

Whew! That sure felt like a productive use of my time.

What an utterly arrogant comment Vladimir unless I misunderstood your post in which case I apologise.

I do like many of your contributions but this is going slightly to far imho.

As to TrevC, again, I personally think many of his comments make good sense and are made in good taste, bar for a few, not least the last one directed at me but hey, we all have bad days.

Also, for the record, I don't think I have ever knowingly claimed with certainty that Mains Cables make any difference! - However, I have also not said they can't. My point was that for relatively little more than a bog standard kettle lead you can buy something more substantial, better looking, shielded and perhaps 'better sounding' too. - So, you have invested a few hundred or even thousand quid into your treasured system, why not complete it visually (and perhaps audibly) with something a little nicer subjectively. At the very least you feel better about it but I understand too that for some a mains cable does not come into the equation.

Either way, with retailers offering refunds/return options there is absolutely no harm in trying if so inclined.

 

[CnoEvil]

Honestly no insult intended. My appologies if it comes off as personal attack or anything beyond soapboxing. *blush*

You are a precocious talent that likes to showboat. Use your talent for the benefit of the forum, as you can be quite insightful when you want to be..that is, when you are not trying to stir.

 

[Covenanter]

Just to clarify, scientists never say that things are impossible (except as shorthand). They just say that if there is no evidence for something then it is unlikely to be true. They do of course insist that the evidence is collected in a systematic way.

From my knowledge of physics I would say that it is very unlikely that mains cables can affect hifi sound quality (and I would put some other things in that bucket too). However I don't close the door on the possibility BUT unless someone can provide proper evidence then I'm not going to believe it. I'm certainly not going to believe it on the basis of someone else's subjective impressions. Nor am I going to believe it because people who make stuff say it works, they would scarcely say otherwise would they? Nobody from the "believers" has ever provided any objective evidence on this forum or indeed anywhere else. And of course it would be so easy to do it for mains cables (much harder for other items) but the evidence never appears. It seems pretty clear to me that the reason the evidence isn't provided is because it can't be provided.

Chris

 

[michael hoy]

I think this post should be put to bed, it is going no where as usual.

 

[CnoEvil]

Just to clarify, scientists never say that things are impossible (except as shorthand). They just say that if there is no evidence for something then it is unlikely to be true. They do of course insist that the evidence is collected in a systematic way.

From my knowledge of physics I would say that it is very unlikely that mains cables can affect hifi sound quality (and I would put some other things in that bucket too). However I don't close the door on the possibility BUT unless someone can provide proper evidence then I'm not going to believe it. I'm certainly not going to believe it on the basis of someone else's subjective impressions. Nor am I going to believe it because people who make stuff say it works, they would scarcely say otherwise would they? Nobody from the "believers" has ever provided any objective evidence on this forum or indeed anywhere else. And of course it would be so easy to do it for mains cables (much harder for other items) but the evidence never appears. It seems pretty clear to me that the reason the evidence isn't provided is because it can't be provided.

Chris

FWIW. I totally respect this POV, as it is both rational and reasonable.

 

[steve_1979]

Here's an analogy that sums up cable threads.

I think that 2+2=3. That's my view and opinion and it's just as valid as yours. Just because your fancy mathematics (which I don't understand) says that 2+2=4 that doesn't make you right and my view is just as valid and important as yours.

*diablo*

 

[steve_1979]

My hallucinogen of choice comes from licking Colorado River Toads!

Have you tried the Sapo frog (Phyllomedusa Bicolor)? It's totally different from the psychedelic toads found in North America. The Sapo's venom produces an effect closer to morphine than LSD.

 

[CnoEvil]

My hallucinogen of choice comes from licking Colorado River Toads!

Have you tried the Sapo frog (Phyllomedusa Bicolor)? It's totally different from the psychedelic toads found in North America. The Sapo's venom produces an effect closer to morphine than LSD.

I'm not averse to changing frogs, as it might save me a 12 hour stint in A&E....can you get them on Ebay?

 

[CnoEvil]

You can borrow one of mine, I have a tank full of them at home. Make sure you double blind test them against the Colorado frogs before announcing on here which one gives you the best high though.

I like to give them a lick before venturing onto hifi forums as it make the cable/bit-rate/active vs passive/digital vinyl threads easier to bare.

I am a Herpetologist and I can tell you that you are talking complete Bull(frog). You are misleading the good folk on this forum, especially the newbie Froglickers.

Now go back to arguing about cables....

 

[Gazzip]

A perfectly formed frog working within its limits will not have any narcotic affect whatsoever.

 

[steve_1979]

You can borrow one of mine, I have a tank full of them at home. Make sure you double blind test them against the Colorado frogs before announcing on here which one gives you the best high though.

I like to give them a lick before venturing onto hifi forums as it make the cable/bit-rate/active vs passive/digital vinyl threads easier to bare.

I am a Herpetologist and I can tell you that you are talking complete Bull(frog). You are misleading the good folk on this forum, especially the newbie Froglickers.

Now go back to arguing about cables....

But... But... But... I'm not telling people which frog is the best. I'm just suggesting they lick frogs for themselves and make up their own mind about what effect they have. *blum3*

 

[steve_1979]

My hallucinogen of choice comes from licking Colorado River Toads!

Have you tried the Sapo frog (Phyllomedusa Bicolor)? It's totally different from the psychedelic toads found in North America. The Sapo's venom produces an effect closer to morphine than LSD.

I'm not averse to changing frogs, as it might save me a 12 hour stint in A&E....can you get them on Ebay?

You can borrow one of mine, I have a tank full of them at home. Make sure you double blind test them against the Colorado frogs before announcing on here which one gives you the best high though.

I like to give them a lick before venturing onto hifi forums as it make the cable/bit-rate/active vs passive/digital vs vinyl threads easier to bare.

 

[Gazzip]

No foo here!

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