Wireworld Aurora Power Cable

[Bluesboy]

I'm thinking of buying this power cord for my amp in the hope that it'll improve the sound stage of my system. Ok, it's not the highest spec amp and speakers, but I just don't feel I'm getting anywhere near the best from it. The sound stage is not that defined or "3D" and the treble is a bit harsh. I realise that speaker placement and room treatment play a part in this, but it just feels a bit flat, sound scape/image wise. I've read a fair few reviews which say upgrading power cables dramatically improve soundscape image and space between instruments.

Does anyone have experience of this or opinions on upgrading an amp's mains cable?

Thanks

 

[DocG]

*cray2*

 

[CnoEvil]

Please (please) borrow one and try it....as it may save 40 pages of pointless arguing....at the end of which you will be none the wiser.

Welcome to the forum, by the way.

 

[pauln]

http://www.whathifi.com/forum/hi-fi/nice-mains-cables

 

[macdiddy]

Sorry to be so negative as a first reply to your question but have you read any previous threads about cables on this forum ?

I only ask because the next 10 pages will be full of those who agree with you and those who think any type of specialist cable is rubbish arguing between them to the point where no one cares and the thread dies.

By the way welcome to the forums.

*bye*

 

[Bluesboy]

Take it you're not a believer then?

How about this review? Is it BS?

http://www.wireworldaudio.com/reviews/StereoMagPowerCords.pdf

Just after opinions and people with experience.

 

[Bluesboy]

Sorry to be so negative as a first reply to your question but have you read any previous threads about cables on this forum ?

I only ask because the next 10 pages will be full of those who agree with you and those who think any type of specialist cable is rubbish arguing between them to the point where no one cares and the thread dies.

By the way welcome to the forums.

*bye*

Yes I've read a lot of forum threads on the subject I'm hoping for someone with first hand experience of this and also opinions of upgrading the power cable with a relatively cheap amp, as mine is, although it does get very good reviews I just can't decide if it's worth spending money on this.

 

[bigfish786]

try the speaker positioning first, a little further to the back wall. You'll more than likely get more from this than any purchase.

Be patient, try things with your own setup first.

and I can honestly say there are very few if any miracle cures for anything, just trial and error.

 

[Bluesboy]

Anyone living in the Medway area willing to come round and give me a demo of one . And maybe also a decent USB cable?? I'm also considering buying one of those

 

[CnoEvil]

Take it you're not a believer then?

How about this review? Is it BS?

http://www.wireworldaudio.com/reviews/StereoMagPowerCords.pdf

Just after opinions and people with experience.

As it happens, I am a believer, but I know all to well how this will go.

The thread will deteriorate into a slanging match between those who hear a benefit and those who say it's impossible (so any perceived improvement is imaginary and down to the placebo effect).

The only way you will find out which side of the fence you are on, is to try it for yourself.

 

[Vladimir]

 

[CnoEvil]

You could be right.

 

[bigboss]

The general advice is to spend no more than 10% of the price of your system on cables. The cable you propose costs almost the same as your stereo amplifier (Marantz PM6005). Surely, a stereo amplifier costing twice as your amplifier will sound better?

 

[Bluesboy]

Well I don't know. That's what I'm asking

 

[strms]

*bomb*

 

[bigboss]

Well I don't know. That's what I'm asking

Without a doubt, a better amplifier will be superior.

 

[davedotco]

Except of course in carefully level matched blind tests when they will sound exactly the same......*diablo*

Having recently had a play with these speakers I found better, more potent amplifiers made for an altogether more satisfying experience.

Went from a PM6005 to an A19 to a big (ish) Cambridge power amplifier. The Cambridge was simply better in all respects, in a very thompsonuxb sort of way.

 

[Bluesboy]

I'm disappointed that you think the pm6005 is not good amp. It gets very good reviews! Is it not powerful enough to drive the speakers? And what did you think of the dali Zenzor 5 speakers?

 

[Andrewjvt]

Yes its a good amp for the money

 

[bigboss]

I'm disappointed that you think the pm6005 is not good amp. It gets very good reviews! Is it not powerful enough to drive the speakers? And what did you think of the dali Zenzor 5 speakers? 

You said this:

"I just don't feel I'm getting anywhere near the best from it. The sound stage is not that defined or "3D" and the treble is a bit harsh. I realise that speaker placement and room treatment play a part in this, but it just feels a bit flat, sound scape/image wise."

Replacing your power cable will not solve this, but upgrading your amp can.

 

[davedotco]

I'm disappointed that you think the pm6005 is not good amp. It gets very good reviews! Is it not powerful enough to drive the speakers? And what did you think of the dali Zenzor 5 speakers?

The PM6005 currently costs £279 and includes a decent dac, it is outstanding vfm.

Whether or not it is good enough to drive Zensor 5s depends on your requirements and expectations. I happened to do a dem quite recently that may be relevant to your situation.

I asked a chap in my local Richers to play me a sub £500 dac/amplifier/speaker combination and then show me what I could get if I spent more, £1000-1500 in total. It went like this....

First up was the PM6005 into a pair of stand mount Tannoys, the DC6s were on offer which brought the price within budget. The combination was just awful, fractured, disjointed, just nasty. The sales chap suggested better speakers, I thought Zensor 3s but we decided to jump straight to Zensor 5s.

Much better, certainly not offensive but a bit bland, little presence and no dynamics. So we went to the A19 with the irDac, I wanted a cheaper dac but that was what they had.

The difference was modest, better but not remotely in proportion to the extra cost, the lack of presence and dynamics still left me somewhat uninvolved. I had a ponder.

The irDac can be used as a digital pre-amp, so why not do so and go straight into a power amp, the 'neatness' of this appealed to me so we connected the £700 Cambridge 651w. That did the job, presence, power (not volume) and the shear solidity of the presentation made a huge difference. Still not quite what I was after but a big improvement on everything that went before.

My conclusion. Zenso 5s are good speaker but require good amplifiers to sound engageing enough to suit my tastes.

Disclaimer; This was one demonstration in one room, I have well defined likes and dislikes which tends to favour presence and dynamics over smoothness and soundstaging and I can not stand overly 'warm' systems. I made this clear to the salesguy before we started, mostly he chose the items we played.

 

[TrevC]

I'm thinking of buying this power cord for my amp in the hope that it'll improve the sound stage of my system. Ok, it's not the highest spec amp and speakers, but I just don't feel I'm getting anywhere near the best from it. The sound stage is not that defined or "3D" and the treble is a bit harsh. I realise that speaker placement and room treatment play a part in this, but it just feels a bit flat, sound scape/image wise. I've read a fair few reviews which say upgrading power cables dramatically improve soundscape image and space between instruments.

Does anyone have experience of this or opinions on upgrading an amp's mains cable?

Thanks

It makes no difference because it can't.

 

[TrevC]

I'm disappointed that you think the pm6005 is not good amp. It gets very good reviews! Is it not powerful enough to drive the speakers? And what did you think of the dali Zenzor 5 speakers?

You said this:

"I just don't feel I'm getting anywhere near the best from it. The sound stage is not that defined or "3D" and the treble is a bit harsh. I realise that speaker placement and room treatment play a part in this, but it just feels a bit flat, sound scape/image wise."

Replacing your power cable will not solve this, but upgrading your amp can.

More likely that he doesn't like the sound of the speakers. Perhaps the cables aren't thick enough.

 

[drummerman]

Sorry to be so negative as a first reply to your question but have you read any previous threads about cables on this forum ?

I only ask because the next 10 pages will be full of those who agree with you and those who think any type of specialist cable is rubbish arguing between them to the point where no one cares and the thread dies.

By the way welcome to the forums.

*bye*

I guess it is always worth trying if you can return in case it doesn't do what you'd like.

What I can say is that the humble Tacima Mains Block can make a difference, especially where harshness is a cause of trouble. The results vary but I use one on both of my systems.

The Tacima combined with an AudioFriendly Silver Mains Cable (ebay) may do the same thing as the expensive Wireworld at a lower price, it may not.

Try.

Good luck

 

[Bluesboy]

I'm disappointed that you think the pm6005 is not good amp. It gets very good reviews! Is it not powerful enough to drive the speakers? And what did you think of the dali Zenzor 5 speakers?

The PM6005 currently costs £279 and includes a decent dac, it is outstanding vfm.

Whether or not it is good enough to drive Zensor 5s depends on your requirements and expectations. I happened to do a dem quite recently that may be relevant to your situation.

I asked a chap in my local Richers to play me a sub £500 dac/amplifier/speaker combination and then show me what I could get if I spent more, £1000-1500 in total. It went like this....

First up was the PM6005 into a pair of stand mount Tannoys, the DC6s were on offer which brought the price within budget. The combination was just awful, fractured, disjointed, just nasty. The sales chap suggested better speakers, I thought Zensor 3s but we decided to jump straight to Zensor 5s.

Much better, certainly not offensive but a bit bland, little presence and no dynamics. So we went to the A19 with the irDac, I wanted a cheaper dac but that was what they had.

The difference was modest, better but not remotely in proportion to the extra cost, the lack of presence and dynamics still left me somewhat uninvolved. I had a ponder.

The irDac can be used as a digital pre-amp, so why not do so and go straight into a power amp, the 'neatness' of this appealed to me so we connected the £700 Cambridge 651w. That did the job, presence, power (not volume) and the shear solidity of the presentation made a huge difference. Still not quite what I was after but a big improvement on everything that went before.

My conclusion. Zenso 5s are good speaker but require good amplifiers to sound engageing enough to suit my tastes.

Disclaimer; This was one demonstration in one room, I have well defined likes and dislikes which tends to favour presence and dynamics over smoothness and soundstaging and I can not stand overly 'warm' systems. I made this clear to the salesguy before we started, mostly he chose the items we played.

Thanks Dave, I'm glad to know you think the sensor 5s are a decent speaker. I'm reluctant to replace the amp but it is a possibility at some point if I don't get satisfaction! I didn't know the Arcam irDac could be used as a pre amp. If someone can recommend a power amp that is not too expensive and will give a big improvement over the pm6005 I'll definately consider it.