to richard allen (eb2 )

[shropshire lad]

Nick.

Although the Hmmmm, I can't see the point in doing battle with AJ at AVI.

Small companies like ourselves do what we do because a): we can and b): we can fulfill the customers needs quicker than larger manufacturers. We are not committed to excessively large quantities of everything that dictates x number of 1000 pieces being produced over a 2 or 3 year period. We can adapt quickly because we're more flexible.

EB4 will be made, no fear of it not being but a head to head with the ADM40s is not really something I see as constructive for either of us. No doubt the AVI and EB haters will say otherwise. Each product will have its own following.

Richard ,

I am looking at this scenario from the point of view of a fairly ignorant potential customer who is pretty clueless when it comes to the technical aspects of speaker design and how they work . When I got back into the hobby two and a half years ago I updated my 30 year old Hifi to Audiolab amps , ATC SCM11 speakers and an Origin Live Calypso turntable to go with my existing Marantz CD-52 . Since then I have been reading in various places that active speakers very often sound better than passives so I have been looking into the possibility of eventually going the active route . I know there are quite a few active speakers in the marketplace , but most of them , it appears to me , are meant to be for studio use . So the main contender had been the ATC SCM20SL AT with possibly the CA-2 pre-amp . However , this would constitute a significant investment and I am not wild about the looks of the speakers .

Then a couple of months ago I became aware of the existence of the ADM40s and my thinking changed . These looked like the sort of speakers that would suit my needs in a couple of years time . Whilst the price seems quite alot it is still less than going with the ATC products and according to the ADM40 owners' comments I have read appear to be good value for money . So I was all set to go with AVI when the time comes .

However , when you start talking about producing your own set of active speakers that seem to have similar specifications to the AVI ones things don't look so cut and dried . Whether you say so or not , it will be inevitable that your speakers will be compared to the ones Ashley James produces and the differences will be in the details . To me the price won't be the most important consideration , so if I had to pay more for speakers that had the ATC midrange then so be it . I can't see how you won't be in competition with AJ , whether intentionally or not , if you are both producing a similar product at roughly the same price . It is then that other factors come into play , such as delivery times , customer communication and back up services which might tip the balance in favour of one company or the other . As a neutral who has no loyalty to either company at the moment I would probably go with the ADM40s but that could easily change by the time I came to order , as I'm sure you will be completely sorted when it comes to delivery times and customer communication !

Here's a question that might show up my ignorance , but if one were to have a pair of EB4s would they be upgradeable to EB5s , or would they be housed in different sized cabinets ?

Nick

 

[Ajani]

Further to previous post, I think EB4 can be a 2 way active. The 3 way can wait til EB5. Price will reflect accordingly BUT and it's a big but, none of this is going to happen until backlog is cleared, new website is up and running and EB3 is out there. All in that order.

I promised you further back in this thread about the changes and they come first.

Just thought I'd tell you this in case you thought I was flying off at tangents.

It's good that you have your priorities straight. The last thing you need is more threads like this one when the EB4 are available. I really think you might need to hire and train some new workers. The more products you offer, the harder it will be to keep up with orders.

 

[Richard Allen]

Nick.

Although the Hmmmm, I can't see the point in doing battle with AJ at AVI.

Small companies like ourselves do what we do because a): we can and b): we can fulfill the customers needs quicker than larger manufacturers. We are not committed to excessively large quantities of everything that dictates x number of 1000 pieces being produced over a 2 or 3 year period. We can adapt quickly because we're more flexible.

EB4 will be made, no fear of it not being but a head to head with the ADM40s is not really something I see as constructive for either of us. No doubt the AVI and EB haters will say otherwise. Each product will have its own following.

Richard ,

I am looking at this scenario from the point of view of a fairly ignorant potential customer who is pretty clueless when it comes to the technical aspects of speaker design and how they work . When I got back into the hobby two and a half years ago I updated my 30 year old Hifi to Audiolab amps , ATC SCM11 speakers and an Origin Live Calypso turntable to go with my existing Marantz CD-52 . Since then I have been reading in various places that active speakers very often sound better than passives so I have been looking into the possibility of eventually going the active route . I know there are quite a few active speakers in the marketplace , but most of them , it appears to me , are meant to be for studio use . So the main contender had been the ATC SCM20SL AT with possibly the CA-2 pre-amp . However , this would constitute a significant investment and I am not wild about the looks of the speakers .

Then a couple of months ago I became aware of the existence of the ADM40s and my thinking changed . These looked like the sort of speakers that would suit my needs in a couple of years time . Whilst the price seems quite alot it is still less than going with the ATC products and according to the ADM40 owners' comments I have read appear to be good value for money . So I was all set to go with AVI when the time comes .

However , when you start talking about producing your own set of active speakers that seem to have similar specifications to the AVI ones things don't look so cut and dried . Whether you say so or not , it will be inevitable that your speakers will be compared to the ones Ashley James produces and the differences will be in the details . To me the price won't be the most important consideration , so if I had to pay more for speakers that had the ATC midrange then so be it . I can't see how you won't be in competition with AJ , whether intentionally or not , if you are both producing a similar product at roughly the same price . It is then that other factors come into play , such as delivery times , customer communication and back up services which might tip the balance in favour of one company or the other . As a neutral who has no loyalty to either company at the moment I would probably go with the ADM40s but that could easily change by the time I came to order , as I'm sure you will be completely sorted when it comes to delivery times and customer communication !

Here's a question that might show up my ignorance , but if one were to have a pair of EB4s would they be upgradeable to EB5s , or would they be housed in different sized cabinets ?

Nick

Hi Nick.

I'll answer your comments in reverse order if I may.

1). EB4 and EB5 will be housed in different cabinets and the electronics will be quite different.

2). You say you have an interest in the AVI ADM40. Let me tell you this. From what I know of it, it is a damned fine loudspeaker. Damned fine. Good finish, from what I've heard about it, top notch electronics and good customer service. All for £3250. I still don't think I'll be going head to head with it because each product will be different. AVI have a very loyal following and that will always be so and congratulations to Ashley for achieving that.

I think there will be differences between the ADM's and mine and of course, ATC. The choice will be yours. If I had to guess, EB will probably be judged against ATC but hey. What do I know??.

 

[steve_1979]

Good for you for making an active speaker Richard. :clap:

There's not enough domestically acceptable active speakers available IMO. The hifi industry needs more companies who are willing to produce active speakers that don't look like studio monitors.

Based on the reviews of your other speakers you obviously have a talent for making good speakers. If you can make a two way active to the same standard as the EB1 and EB2 then it will probably do well I reckon.

 

[Richard Allen]

Good for you for making an active speaker Richard. :clap:

There's not enough domestically acceptable active speakers available IMO.

And there you have it Steve. Not enough DOMESTICALLY ACCEPTABLE active speakers available. I'm sure that Ashley James at AVI, which is who I have been compared to by another poster, will agree. Active speakers are not in a minority but DOMESTICALLY ACCEPTABLE are.

The secret, as Ashley will tell you is to make the best of both these worlds. Still, got til August time to get it right I spose.

 

[Ajani]

Good for you for making an active speaker Richard. :clap:

There's not enough domestically acceptable active speakers available IMO.

And there you have it Steve. Not enough DOMESTICALLY ACCEPTABLE active speakers available. I'm sure that Ashley James at AVI, which is who I have been compared to by another poster, will agree. Active speakers are not in a minority but DOMESTICALLY ACCEPTABLE are.

The secret, as Ashley will tell you is to make the best of both these worlds. Still, got til August time to get it right I spose.

Yep. It's hard to find actives that look like they belong in a living room. Also rare are floorstanders (especially at affordable prices). And even more challenging to find are ones with Remotes. Since most actives are meant to be used nearfield or at least with the mixing console at your fingertips, there's generally no need for remote. However for domestic HiFi a remote is essential for many users.

 

[shropshire lad]

Nick.

Although the Hmmmm, I can't see the point in doing battle with AJ at AVI.

Small companies like ourselves do what we do because a): we can and b): we can fulfill the customers needs quicker than larger manufacturers. We are not committed to excessively large quantities of everything that dictates x number of 1000 pieces being produced over a 2 or 3 year period. We can adapt quickly because we're more flexible.

EB4 will be made, no fear of it not being but a head to head with the ADM40s is not really something I see as constructive for either of us. No doubt the AVI and EB haters will say otherwise. Each product will have its own following.

Richard ,

I am looking at this scenario from the point of view of a fairly ignorant potential customer who is pretty clueless when it comes to the technical aspects of speaker design and how they work . When I got back into the hobby two and a half years ago I updated my 30 year old Hifi to Audiolab amps , ATC SCM11 speakers and an Origin Live Calypso turntable to go with my existing Marantz CD-52 . Since then I have been reading in various places that active speakers very often sound better than passives so I have been looking into the possibility of eventually going the active route . I know there are quite a few active speakers in the marketplace , but most of them , it appears to me , are meant to be for studio use . So the main contender had been the ATC SCM20SL AT with possibly the CA-2 pre-amp . However , this would constitute a significant investment and I am not wild about the looks of the speakers .

Then a couple of months ago I became aware of the existence of the ADM40s and my thinking changed . These looked like the sort of speakers that would suit my needs in a couple of years time . Whilst the price seems quite alot it is still less than going with the ATC products and according to the ADM40 owners' comments I have read appear to be good value for money . So I was all set to go with AVI when the time comes .

However , when you start talking about producing your own set of active speakers that seem to have similar specifications to the AVI ones things don't look so cut and dried . Whether you say so or not , it will be inevitable that your speakers will be compared to the ones Ashley James produces and the differences will be in the details . To me the price won't be the most important consideration , so if I had to pay more for speakers that had the ATC midrange then so be it . I can't see how you won't be in competition with AJ , whether intentionally or not , if you are both producing a similar product at roughly the same price . It is then that other factors come into play , such as delivery times , customer communication and back up services which might tip the balance in favour of one company or the other . As a neutral who has no loyalty to either company at the moment I would probably go with the ADM40s but that could easily change by the time I came to order , as I'm sure you will be completely sorted when it comes to delivery times and customer communication !

Here's a question that might show up my ignorance , but if one were to have a pair of EB4s would they be upgradeable to EB5s , or would they be housed in different sized cabinets ?

Nick

Hi Nick.

I'll answer your comments in reverse order if I may.

1). EB4 and EB5 will be housed in different cabinets and the electronics will be quite different.

2). You say you have an interest in the AVI ADM40. Let me tell you this. From what I know of it, it is a damned fine loudspeaker. Damned fine. Good finish, from what I've heard about it, top notch electronics and good customer service. All for £3250. I still don't think I'll be going head to head with it because each product will be different. AVI have a very loyal following and that will always be so and congratulations to Ashley for achieving that.

I think there will be differences between the ADM's and mine and of course, ATC. The choice will be yours. If I had to guess, EB will probably be judged against ATC but hey. What do I know??.

Taking your positive comments about the ADM40s one step further , to me these speakers have set the benchmark to which any new active speakers in this price range will have to be judged . I'm sure the design of your speakers will be all your own work and that they won't be any sort of ADM40 clone but they will have enough similarities between them to make any potential customer have to consider them both before making a decision as to which to purchase . I know I will .

The only ATC speakers that yours would be judged against in this price bracket would be the SCM40s and as they are passive you would have to make your actives sound better than them . Can you do that ? Well , you would have a good start if you used their midrange whatsits . As the SCM20SL ATs are priced between £6500 and £7500 , depending on finish, it would be unfair to try and judge your speakers against them . Plus yours will look so much better . I think ATC are missing a trick by not doing what Ashley is doing and you will be doing , by producing a good looking domestic active speaker with various different functions at an affordable price . But that is their loss .

Hurry up and get your house in order , website up and running and EB3s out there in the marketplace so that you can start to tap into the latent demand for decent active speakers that is waiting to be satisfied ,

Nick

 

[steve_1979]

Taking your positive comments about the ADM40s one step further , to me these speakers have set the benchmark to which any new active speakers in this price range will have to be judged . I'm sure the design of your speakers will be all your own work and that they won't be any sort of ADM40 clone but they will have enough similarities between them to make any potential customer have to consider them both before making a decision as to which to purchase . I know I will .

The only ATC speakers that yours would be judged against in this price bracket would be the SCM40s and as they are passive you would have to make your actives sound better than them . Can you do that ? Well , you would have a good start if you used their midrange whatsits . As the SCM20SL ATs are priced between £6500 and £7500 , depending on finish, it would be unfair to try and judge your speakers against them . Plus yours will look so much better . I think ATC are missing a trick by not doing what Ashley is doing and you will be doing , by producing a good looking domestic active speaker with various different functions at an affordable price . But that is their loss .

Hurry up and get your house in order , website up and running and EB3s out there in the marketplace so that you can start to tap into the latent demand for decent active speakers that is waiting to be satisfied ,

It's inevitable that any domestically acceptable active floor standers with a built in DAC and preamp will be compared to the ADM40's.

However, more and more people are making the move from passive to active speakers because they have better sound quality. I don't think that AVI and EB Acoustics will need to worry about competing for buisiness. IMO the speaker companies that should be worrying about losing buisiness are the ones who refuse to move with the times and persist in making passive speakers.

 

[Ajani]

Taking your positive comments about the ADM40s one step further , to me these speakers have set the benchmark to which any new active speakers in this price range will have to be judged . I'm sure the design of your speakers will be all your own work and that they won't be any sort of ADM40 clone but they will have enough similarities between them to make any potential customer have to consider them both before making a decision as to which to purchase . I know I will .

The only ATC speakers that yours would be judged against in this price bracket would be the SCM40s and as they are passive you would have to make your actives sound better than them . Can you do that ? Well , you would have a good start if you used their midrange whatsits . As the SCM20SL ATs are priced between £6500 and £7500 , depending on finish, it would be unfair to try and judge your speakers against them . Plus yours will look so much better . I think ATC are missing a trick by not doing what Ashley is doing and you will be doing , by producing a good looking domestic active speaker with various different functions at an affordable price . But that is their loss .

Hurry up and get your house in order , website up and running and EB3s out there in the marketplace so that you can start to tap into the latent demand for decent active speakers that is waiting to be satisfied ,

It's inevitable that any domestically acceptable active floor standers with a built in DAC and preamp will be compared to the ADM40's.

However, more and more people are making the move from passive to active speakers because they have better sound quality. I don't think that AVI and EB Acoustics will need to worry about competing for buisiness. IMO the speaker companies that should be worrying about losing buisiness are the ones who refuse to move with the times and persist in making passive speakers.

I mostly agree.

Clearly some comparisons between AVI and EB will be made. But that's no different than comparisons between B&W and Monitor Audio or any brands producing similar types of products.

Also, I believe the market for domestic active speakers is large enough to accomodate more than just AVI, Dynaudio and a few other brands. Plus the market will grow as more legitimate domestic active alternatives to passive speakers become available.

However, I don't see the passive market suddenly dying - much like turntables, there will be a market for audiophiles who prefer to mix and match components or just don't embrace the all in one solution. But I think that for the majority of the market the move to actives will make sense.

I also don't believe the move will be primarily because of a belief that actives must sound better. More likely it would be due to the WAF and convenience of an all in one system. It's much easier to convince the wife to allow a pair of Dynaudio XEO 5s, AVI ADM40s or EB4's into the living room than a pile of hifi seperates.

 

[steve_1979]

I believe the market for domestic active speakers is large enough to accomodate more than just AVI, Dynaudio and a few other brands. Plus the market will grow as more legitimate domestic active alternatives to passive speakers become available.

I think that the market for active speakers seems to be slowly growing. The guy I know at a local pro audio shop says that the number of people buying active studio monitors just for listening to music at home has been steadily increasing over the last few years. I've also noticed that the number of people on forums with active speakers seems to be increasing too.

However, I don't see the passive market suddenly dying - much like turntables, there will be a market for audiophiles who prefer to mix and match components or just don't embrace the all in one solution. But I think that for the majority of the market the move to actives will make sense.

I agree that the passive speaker market isn't going to suddenly die. It probably never will die out altogether either. But the market for expensive passive speakers does seem to be shrinking though.

I also don't believe the move will be primarily because of a belief that actives must sound better. More likely it would be due to the WAF and convenience of an all in one system. It's much easier to convince the wife to allow a pair of Dynaudio XEO 5s, AVI ADM40s or EB4's into the living room than a pile of hifi seperates.

You're probably right there there. WAF is probably the biggest reason for many people to move from passive hifi systems to all-in-one active speakers. Getting an improvement in sound quality is a very nice bonus aswell though.

 

[BenLaw]

Nick.

Although the Hmmmm, I can't see the point in doing battle with AJ at AVI.

Small companies like ourselves do what we do because a): we can and b): we can fulfill the customers needs quicker than larger manufacturers. We are not committed to excessively large quantities of everything that dictates x number of 1000 pieces being produced over a 2 or 3 year period. We can adapt quickly because we're more flexible.

EB4 will be made, no fear of it not being but a head to head with the ADM40s is not really something I see as constructive for either of us. No doubt the AVI and EB haters will say otherwise. Each product will have its own following.

Richard ,

I am looking at this scenario from the point of view of a fairly ignorant potential customer who is pretty clueless when it comes to the technical aspects of speaker design and how they work . When I got back into the hobby two and a half years ago I updated my 30 year old Hifi to Audiolab amps , ATC SCM11 speakers and an Origin Live Calypso turntable to go with my existing Marantz CD-52 . Since then I have been reading in various places that active speakers very often sound better than passives so I have been looking into the possibility of eventually going the active route . I know there are quite a few active speakers in the marketplace , but most of them , it appears to me , are meant to be for studio use . So the main contender had been the ATC SCM20SL AT with possibly the CA-2 pre-amp . However , this would constitute a significant investment and I am not wild about the looks of the speakers .

Then a couple of months ago I became aware of the existence of the ADM40s and my thinking changed . These looked like the sort of speakers that would suit my needs in a couple of years time . Whilst the price seems quite alot it is still less than going with the ATC products and according to the ADM40 owners' comments I have read appear to be good value for money . So I was all set to go with AVI when the time comes .

However , when you start talking about producing your own set of active speakers that seem to have similar specifications to the AVI ones things don't look so cut and dried . Whether you say so or not , it will be inevitable that your speakers will be compared to the ones Ashley James produces and the differences will be in the details . To me the price won't be the most important consideration , so if I had to pay more for speakers that had the ATC midrange then so be it . I can't see how you won't be in competition with AJ , whether intentionally or not , if you are both producing a similar product at roughly the same price . It is then that other factors come into play , such as delivery times , customer communication and back up services which might tip the balance in favour of one company or the other . As a neutral who has no loyalty to either company at the moment I would probably go with the ADM40s but that could easily change by the time I came to order , as I'm sure you will be completely sorted when it comes to delivery times and customer communication !

Here's a question that might show up my ignorance , but if one were to have a pair of EB4s would they be upgradeable to EB5s , or would they be housed in different sized cabinets ?

Nick

Hi Nick.

I'll answer your comments in reverse order if I may.

1). EB4 and EB5 will be housed in different cabinets and the electronics will be quite different.

2). You say you have an interest in the AVI ADM40. Let me tell you this. From what I know of it, it is a damned fine loudspeaker. Damned fine. Good finish, from what I've heard about it, top notch electronics and good customer service. All for £3250. I still don't think I'll be going head to head with it because each product will be different. AVI have a very loyal following and that will always be so and congratulations to Ashley for achieving that.

I think there will be differences between the ADM's and mine and of course, ATC. The choice will be yours. If I had to guess, EB will probably be judged against ATC but hey. What do I know??.

Taking your positive comments about the ADM40s one step further , to me these speakers have set the benchmark to which any new active speakers in this price range will have to be judged . I'm sure the design of your speakers will be all your own work and that they won't be any sort of ADM40 clone but they will have enough similarities between them to make any potential customer have to consider them both before making a decision as to which to purchase . I know I will .

The only ATC speakers that yours would be judged against in this price bracket would be the SCM40s and as they are passive you would have to make your actives sound better than them . Can you do that ? Well , you would have a good start if you used their midrange whatsits . As the SCM20SL ATs are priced between £6500 and £7500 , depending on finish, it would be unfair to try and judge your speakers against them . Plus yours will look so much better . I think ATC are missing a trick by not doing what Ashley is doing and you will be doing , by producing a good looking domestic active speaker with various different functions at an affordable price . But that is their loss .

Hurry up and get your house in order , website up and running and EB3s out there in the marketplace so that you can start to tap into the latent demand for decent active speakers that is waiting to be satisfied ,

Nick

I don't think ATC will be too bothered about 'their loss' The majority of their money is made with pro audio and AFAIK they don't even advertise their domestic products.

 

[BenLaw]

I believe the market for domestic active speakers is large enough to accomodate more than just AVI, Dynaudio and a few other brands. Plus the market will grow as more legitimate domestic active alternatives to passive speakers become available.

I think that the market for active speakers seems to be slowly growing. The guy I know at a local pro audio shop says that the number of people buying active studio monitors just for listening to music at home has been steadily increasing over the last few years. I've also noticed that the number of people on forums with active speakers seems to be increasing too.

However, I don't see the passive market suddenly dying - much like turntables, there will be a market for audiophiles who prefer to mix and match components or just don't embrace the all in one solution. But I think that for the majority of the market the move to actives will make sense.

I agree that the passive speaker market isn't going to suddenly die. It probably never will die out altogether either. But the market for expensive passive speakers does seem to be shrinking though.

I also don't believe the move will be primarily because of a belief that actives must sound better. More likely it would be due to the WAF and convenience of an all in one system. It's much easier to convince the wife to allow a pair of Dynaudio XEO 5s, AVI ADM40s or EB4's into the living room than a pile of hifi seperates.

You're probably right there there. WAF is probably the biggest reason for many people to move from passive hifi systems to all-in-one active speakers. Getting an improvement in sound quality is a very nice bonus aswell though.

I'm intrigued, what's the evidence that the market for expensive passive speakers is shrinking? Luxury goods normally continue to do well in recessions and the lucky few who go for these speakers are largely unconcerned by space and WAF factors.

 

[John Duncan]

www.whathifi.com/blog/more-headphones-bigger-tvs-and-a-passion-for-bbc-radio-4-uk-consumer-electronics-trends-reveale

450,000 sets of speakers sold last year...

 

[John Duncan]

Ahem...

www.whathifi.com/forum/hi-fi/eb-acoustics-eb2?page=page=2#comment-1100705

 

[steve_1979]

I'm intrigued, what's the evidence that the market for expensive passive speakers is shrinking? Luxury goods normally continue to do well in recessions and the lucky few who go for these speakers are largely unconcerned by space and WAF factors.

I read it in one of the home cinema magazines a few months ago. They said that the market for separates hifi and conventional large speakers is shrinking but the market for home cinema equipment and small stylish 2.1 and 5.1 speaker packages is growing. They also said the market for hifi quality portable headphones has exploded and is still growing fast.

I've also read similar things on a few forums too but that's hardly what you'd concrete evidence.

 

[BenLaw]

I'm intrigued, what's the evidence that the market for expensive passive speakers is shrinking? Luxury goods normally continue to do well in recessions and the lucky few who go for these speakers are largely unconcerned by space and WAF factors.

I read it in one of the home cinema magazines a few months ago. They said that the market for separates hifi and conventional large speakers is shrinking but the market for home cinema equipment and small stylish 2.1 and 5.1 speaker packages is growing. They also said the market for hifi quality portable headphones has exploded and is still growing fast.

I've also read similar things on a few forums too but that's hardly what you'd concrete evidence.

Ta. The link from JD confirms the reduced sales of separates, although unlike your info suggests HT equipment is also shrinking. None of what you set out addresses what you originally talked about, which was expensive passives. For the reasons set out, my guess would be their sales would remain relatively stable, although I suspect it would be hard to find concrete figures. I suspect at the proper high end there's no general move towards actives.

 

[Ajani]

I suspect at the proper high end there's no general move towards actives.

Actives are getting more popular as a domestic HiFi option. But, I have no idea whether there is a real trend to move from passive to active yet. I believe a lot more brands will have to start producing domestic actives before that will happen.

 

[Richard Allen]

Now, I'm not flying off at a tangent before some of you have a prod at me but I have costed EB3 and EB4.

EB3 will be £280.00 each. Plus delivery. Available in Oak and Black Oak. Delivery time from receipt of deposit will be 5-6 weeks.

EB4 will consist of:

2 bass units, 3" soft Dome midrange ( ATC I hope ), and a tweeter. All the electronic gubbins in the back as previously mentioned. Closed box design like EB2. 1000mm tall, 225mm wide and 300mm deep. Price £3500 per pair plus delivery. Again, deposit of 10% and a 6 week lead time.

EB4 not available until september time.

Right. I'm done.

 

[John Duncan]

Sorry, what's the EB3 again?

 

[Richard Allen]

Sorry, what's the EB3 again?

Centre speaker John although it can be used in pairs as a stereo speaker as well.

 

[John Duncan]

Got you, thanks. I seemed to recall it was active/powered as well which didn't sit with the price.

 

[John Duncan]

1000mm tall, 225mm wide and 300mm deep.

I'm out...

 

[fr0g]

1000mm tall, 225mm wide and 300mm deep.

I'm out...

I'm in...

Although it'll be a year or so before I begin the process.

 

[char_lotte]

Possibly off topic......but..... are you the same Richard Allen that made the Minuet ? If so...thank you if not ....as you were...

 

[Richard Allen]

Possibly off topic......but..... are you the same Richard Allen that made the Minuet ? If so...thank you if not ....as you were...

I think you may mean the Minette. no, I was nothing to do with that. Sorry.