The active speakers club

[luckylion100]

To be really honest if you're looking at actives purely as an answer to requiring less plugs in sockets I'd seriously question your motives.

If you want a simple desk top solution I'm sure you can cut back but it sounds like you're looking for slightly better.

Despite what some may say here the DM10's are serious speakers and capable of excellent sound reproduction as I believe you've already discovered first hand. Maybe though you'd be better auditioning the new Kef wireless model ? To me they seem like more of an all in one package, a user friendly option with excellent sound. I've not heard them myself but read very positive reviews.

But the level you're now mentioning is out of my league and knowledge, that's Gazzip's, perhaps Electro's or Ellisdj's territory. But yes all boxes whatever their purpose require power, there's no escaping that.

No they are not.

And you know it.

Please Google the definition of "excellent".

Please try to describe equipment accurately instead of making misleading statements.

and am more qualifed than you to comment on their abilities.

Kindly stop being so patronsiing. Haven't I made it clear previously I have no interest in engaging with you and your nonsense. Go pick an argument elsewhere.

 

[lindsayt]

No you are not more qualified than me because you have never compared them to anything better sounding.

And you have read a comprehensive review of them being compared to something better. So you have no excuse on this.

No nonsense from me. What we have is a misleading statement from you that is tantamount to a shilling sales pitch.

 

[shadders]

To be really honest if you're looking at actives purely as an answer to requiring less plugs in sockets I'd seriously question your motives.

If you want a simple desk top solution I'm sure you can cut back but it sounds like you're looking for slightly better.

Despite what some may say here the DM10's are serious speakers and capable of excellent sound reproduction as I believe you've already discovered first hand. Maybe though you'd be better auditioning the new Kef wireless model ? To me they seem like more of an all in one package, a user friendly option with excellent sound. I've not heard them myself but read very positive reviews.

But the level you're now mentioning is out of my league and knowledge, that's Gazzip's, perhaps Electro's or Ellisdj's territory. But yes all boxes whatever their purpose require power, there's no escaping that.

No they are not.

And you know it.

Please Google the definition of "excellent".

Please try to describe equipment accurately instead of making misleading statements.

and am more qualifed than you to comment on their abilities.

Kindly stop being so patronsiing. Haven't I made it clear previously I have no interest in engaging with you and your nonsense. Go pick an argument elsewhere.

Hi Luckylion100,

The following may be helpful for your DM10's :

Regards,

Shadders.

P.S. It is a joke. Sort of.

 

[luckylion100]

other than being an argumentative troll what's your purpose on here, other than to let off steam , clearly directed at certain people?

My speakers are excellent thank you. Others on here that have heard them agree and those fortunate enough to enjoy them in their home envirnoments also agree. Try dealing with your issue and move on. Easy. And need I suggest what you do with your dictonary?'!

You stated recently that basically every speaker other than the few you endorse are basically rubbish. What was it PMC fact 12's and other quality speakers I assume the vast majority here would love to own were stated as being thoroughly overrated, a useless waste of time and expense. Sorry this is your opinion, not fact, you're entitled to it but I'd say the vast majority of readers on here dismiss much of what you contribute based on the fact that according to you everything they listen to is also total rubbish!

Why not just address this once and full all with a total blanket statement claiming we're all waisting our time and you seemingly begrudge anyone that enjoys their music on speakers/systems that don't meet your approval.

Or if that doesn't work for you, just stay the hell away from me.

Try to get me banned, report me, really I couldn't give a flying f*ck, some of us have real issues in lfe to deal with.

Thanks.

 

[luckylion100]

To be really honest if you're looking at actives purely as an answer to requiring less plugs in sockets I'd seriously question your motives.

If you want a simple desk top solution I'm sure you can cut back but it sounds like you're looking for slightly better.

Despite what some may say here the DM10's are serious speakers and capable of excellent sound reproduction as I believe you've already discovered first hand. Maybe though you'd be better auditioning the new Kef wireless model ? To me they seem like more of an all in one package, a user friendly option with excellent sound. I've not heard them myself but read very positive reviews.

But the level you're now mentioning is out of my league and knowledge, that's Gazzip's, perhaps Electro's or Ellisdj's territory. But yes all boxes whatever their purpose require power, there's no escaping that.

No they are not.

And you know it.

Please Google the definition of "excellent".

Please try to describe equipment accurately instead of making misleading statements.

and am more qualifed than you to comment on their abilities.

Kindly stop being so patronsiing. Haven't I made it clear previously I have no interest in engaging with you and your nonsense. Go pick an argument elsewhere.

Hi Luckylion100,

The following may be helpful for your DM10's :

Regards,

Shadders.

P.S. It is a joke. Sort of.

Thanks Shadders,

As you can no doubt tell from above I'm really in the joking mood.

I'm minding my own business and out of the woodwork comes this nonsense. Anyway i expect little more from some people.

Regards

 

[shadders]

To be really honest if you're looking at actives purely as an answer to requiring less plugs in sockets I'd seriously question your motives.

If you want a simple desk top solution I'm sure you can cut back but it sounds like you're looking for slightly better.

Despite what some may say here the DM10's are serious speakers and capable of excellent sound reproduction as I believe you've already discovered first hand. Maybe though you'd be better auditioning the new Kef wireless model ? To me they seem like more of an all in one package, a user friendly option with excellent sound. I've not heard them myself but read very positive reviews.

But the level you're now mentioning is out of my league and knowledge, that's Gazzip's, perhaps Electro's or Ellisdj's territory. But yes all boxes whatever their purpose require power, there's no escaping that.

No they are not.

And you know it.

Please Google the definition of "excellent".

Please try to describe equipment accurately instead of making misleading statements.

and am more qualifed than you to comment on their abilities.

Kindly stop being so patronsiing. Haven't I made it clear previously I have no interest in engaging with you and your nonsense. Go pick an argument elsewhere.

Hi Luckylion100,

The following may be helpful for your DM10's :

Regards,

Shadders.

P.S. It is a joke. Sort of.

Thanks Shadders,

As you can no doubt tell from above I'm really in the joking mood.

I'm minding my own business and out of the woodwork comes this nonsense. Anyway i expect little more from some people.

Regards

Hi,

I saw this in another thread - so i have been itching to use it. No offence meant.

Regards,

Shadders.

 

[shadders]

To be really honest if you're looking at actives purely as an answer to requiring less plugs in sockets I'd seriously question your motives.

If you want a simple desk top solution I'm sure you can cut back but it sounds like you're looking for slightly better.

Despite what some may say here the DM10's are serious speakers and capable of excellent sound reproduction as I believe you've already discovered first hand. Maybe though you'd be better auditioning the new Kef wireless model ? To me they seem like more of an all in one package, a user friendly option with excellent sound. I've not heard them myself but read very positive reviews.

But the level you're now mentioning is out of my league and knowledge, that's Gazzip's, perhaps Electro's or Ellisdj's territory. But yes all boxes whatever their purpose require power, there's no escaping that.

No they are not.

And you know it.

Please Google the definition of "excellent".

Please try to describe equipment accurately instead of making misleading statements.

and am more qualifed than you to comment on their abilities.

Kindly stop being so patronsiing. Haven't I made it clear previously I have no interest in engaging with you and your nonsense. Go pick an argument elsewhere.

Hi Luckylion100,

The following may be helpful for your DM10's :

Regards,

Shadders.

P.S. It is a joke. Sort of.

Thanks Shadders,

As you can no doubt tell from above I'm really in the joking mood.

I'm minding my own business and out of the woodwork comes this nonsense. Anyway i expect little more from some people.

Regards

Hi,

I saw this in another thread - so i have been itching to use it. No offence meant.

Regards,

Shadders.

Isn't this a bit racist though?

Hi,

How on earth did you get racism from that ?. Pooh is brown - usually - wood is brown too. So, turd polish is quite apt ?

Regards,

Shadders.

 

[insider9]

 

[luckylion100]

that have read my reply to LindsayT. But as I said, where did that come from, why was there a need for such a patronsing comment, instructing me to look a definition up in a dictionary? This coming from someone that is big on the subjective world of hi-fi, makes me laugh the hypocisy of it!

If I still owned PMC speakers I doubt the paths of LindsayT and myself would ever have crossed. I'm sick of being a virtual punchbag for cheap digs at AVI. I suggest they be addressed directly with the people he has his real issue with. Just leave me oit of it.

 

[insider9]

To be really honest if you're looking at actives purely as an answer to requiring less plugs in sockets I'd seriously question your motives.

If you want a simple desk top solution I'm sure you can cut back but it sounds like you're looking for slightly better.

Despite what some may say here the DM10's are serious speakers and capable of excellent sound reproduction as I believe you've already discovered first hand. Maybe though you'd be better auditioning the new Kef wireless model ? To me they seem like more of an all in one package, a user friendly option with excellent sound. I've not heard them myself but read very positive reviews.

But the level you're now mentioning is out of my league and knowledge, that's Gazzip's, perhaps Electro's or Ellisdj's territory. But yes all boxes whatever their purpose require power, there's no escaping that.

No they are not.

And you know it.

Please Google the definition of "excellent".

Please try to describe equipment accurately instead of making misleading statements.

and am more qualifed than you to comment on their abilities.

Kindly stop being so patronsiing. Haven't I made it clear previously I have no interest in engaging with you and your nonsense. Go pick an argument elsewhere.

Hi Luckylion100,

The following may be helpful for your DM10's :

 

Regards,

Shadders.

P.S. It is a joke. Sort of. 

 

Thanks Shadders,

As you can no doubt tell from above I'm really in the joking mood.

I'm minding my own business and out of the woodwork comes this nonsense. Anyway i expect little more from some people.

Regards

Hi,

I saw this in another thread - so i have been itching to use it. No offence meant. 

Regards,

Shadders. 

Isn't this a bit racist though?

Hi,

How on earth did you get racism from that ?. Pooh is brown - usually - wood is brown too. So, turd polish is quite apt ?

Regards,

Shadders. 

Ok, so the joke wasn't funny. My Polish wife also didn't get it

 

[shadders]

To be really honest if you're looking at actives purely as an answer to requiring less plugs in sockets I'd seriously question your motives.

If you want a simple desk top solution I'm sure you can cut back but it sounds like you're looking for slightly better.

Despite what some may say here the DM10's are serious speakers and capable of excellent sound reproduction as I believe you've already discovered first hand. Maybe though you'd be better auditioning the new Kef wireless model ? To me they seem like more of an all in one package, a user friendly option with excellent sound. I've not heard them myself but read very positive reviews.

But the level you're now mentioning is out of my league and knowledge, that's Gazzip's, perhaps Electro's or Ellisdj's territory. But yes all boxes whatever their purpose require power, there's no escaping that.

No they are not.

And you know it.

Please Google the definition of "excellent".

Please try to describe equipment accurately instead of making misleading statements.

and am more qualifed than you to comment on their abilities.

Kindly stop being so patronsiing. Haven't I made it clear previously I have no interest in engaging with you and your nonsense. Go pick an argument elsewhere.

Hi Luckylion100,

The following may be helpful for your DM10's :

Regards,

Shadders.

P.S. It is a joke. Sort of.

Thanks Shadders,

As you can no doubt tell from above I'm really in the joking mood.

I'm minding my own business and out of the woodwork comes this nonsense. Anyway i expect little more from some people.

Regards

Hi,

I saw this in another thread - so i have been itching to use it. No offence meant.

Regards,

Shadders.

Isn't this a bit racist though?

Hi,

How on earth did you get racism from that ?. Pooh is brown - usually - wood is brown too. So, turd polish is quite apt ?

Regards,

Shadders.

Ok, so the joke wasn't funny. My Polish wife also didn't get it

Hi,

The word is not Polish, but polish. It is a standard UK joke - you can't polish a turd.

Regards,

Shadders.

 

[lindsayt]

luckylion100, why the ad hominem personal insult from you?

If you don't like me correcting your untrue statements you could stop making them instead of repeating them.

I have not come across a single speaker that could be called "excellent" without using that word as a misleading hyperbole.

For you to use that word for speakers as ordinary sounding as DM10's - REPEATEDLY - is shilling behaviour.

Do you really think it's right and fair that you should be allowed to repeatedly shill a product on this forum without any challenge whatsoever?

I find this comment overly aggressive: "And need I suggest what you do with your dictonary?'!"

If you would like to respond to any comment I have made on PMC Fact 12's please do it in the thread that I made my comment in. Instead of taking this thread off topic.

Please do not put words into my mouth: "Why not just address this once and full all with a total blanket statement claiming we're all waisting our time and you seemingly begrudge anyone that enjoys their music on speakers/systems that don't meet your approval." Your suggestion of what you want me to say is very wide of the mark on what I actually think. Please read my original posts in the recent "taking for granted" thread where I said that we should all just get on with enjoying our music and forget about our systems - ie pretty much the opposite of your suggestion.

Your last paragraph in you post from 23:27 contains bad language. That is against forum rules.

 

[insider9]

To be really honest if you're looking at actives purely as an answer to requiring less plugs in sockets I'd seriously question your motives.

If you want a simple desk top solution I'm sure you can cut back but it sounds like you're looking for slightly better.

Despite what some may say here the DM10's are serious speakers and capable of excellent sound reproduction as I believe you've already discovered first hand. Maybe though you'd be better auditioning the new Kef wireless model ? To me they seem like more of an all in one package, a user friendly option with excellent sound. I've not heard them myself but read very positive reviews.

But the level you're now mentioning is out of my league and knowledge, that's Gazzip's, perhaps Electro's or Ellisdj's territory. But yes all boxes whatever their purpose require power, there's no escaping that.

No they are not.

And you know it.

Please Google the definition of "excellent".

Please try to describe equipment accurately instead of making misleading statements.

and am more qualifed than you to comment on their abilities.

Kindly stop being so patronsiing. Haven't I made it clear previously I have no interest in engaging with you and your nonsense. Go pick an argument elsewhere.

Hi Luckylion100,

The following may be helpful for your DM10's :

 

Regards,

Shadders.

P.S. It is a joke. Sort of. 

 

Thanks Shadders,

As you can no doubt tell from above I'm really in the joking mood.

I'm minding my own business and out of the woodwork comes this nonsense. Anyway i expect little more from some people.

Regards

Hi,

I saw this in another thread - so i have been itching to use it. No offence meant. 

Regards,

Shadders. 

Isn't this a bit racist though?

Hi,

How on earth did you get racism from that ?. Pooh is brown - usually - wood is brown too. So, turd polish is quite apt ?

Regards,

Shadders. 

Ok, so the joke wasn't funny. My Polish wife also didn't get it

Hi,

The word is not Polish, but polish. It is a standard UK joke - you can't polish a turd. 

Regards,

Shadders.

I know Shadders, I got the joke. Mine, we already established, not funny word play was due to the fact it had all caps POLISH.

Anyway, I hope no offence taken, as none intended.

 

[shadders]

To be really honest if you're looking at actives purely as an answer to requiring less plugs in sockets I'd seriously question your motives.

If you want a simple desk top solution I'm sure you can cut back but it sounds like you're looking for slightly better.

Despite what some may say here the DM10's are serious speakers and capable of excellent sound reproduction as I believe you've already discovered first hand. Maybe though you'd be better auditioning the new Kef wireless model ? To me they seem like more of an all in one package, a user friendly option with excellent sound. I've not heard them myself but read very positive reviews.

But the level you're now mentioning is out of my league and knowledge, that's Gazzip's, perhaps Electro's or Ellisdj's territory. But yes all boxes whatever their purpose require power, there's no escaping that.

No they are not.

And you know it.

Please Google the definition of "excellent".

Please try to describe equipment accurately instead of making misleading statements.

and am more qualifed than you to comment on their abilities.

Kindly stop being so patronsiing. Haven't I made it clear previously I have no interest in engaging with you and your nonsense. Go pick an argument elsewhere.

Hi Luckylion100,

The following may be helpful for your DM10's :

Regards,

Shadders.

P.S. It is a joke. Sort of.

Thanks Shadders,

As you can no doubt tell from above I'm really in the joking mood.

I'm minding my own business and out of the woodwork comes this nonsense. Anyway i expect little more from some people.

Regards

Hi,

I saw this in another thread - so i have been itching to use it. No offence meant.

Regards,

Shadders.

Isn't this a bit racist though?

Hi,

How on earth did you get racism from that ?. Pooh is brown - usually - wood is brown too. So, turd polish is quite apt ?

Regards,

Shadders.

Ok, so the joke wasn't funny. My Polish wife also didn't get it

Hi,

The word is not Polish, but polish. It is a standard UK joke - you can't polish a turd.

Regards,

Shadders.

I know Shadders, I got the joke. Mine, we already established, not funny word play was due to the fact it had all caps POLISH.

Anyway, I hope no offence taken. As I didn't intend to offend.

Hi,

No - i was not offended - but in the UK too many people are politically correct or want to take offence - it is a form of control.

The two words as used do not mean Polish, but does mean polish. In english the two words as presented will never mean Polish. The tin is the standard tin for Kiwi polish - not sure if the brand is ubiquitous elsewhere in the world.

Regards,

Shadders.

 

[insider9]

To be really honest if you're looking at actives purely as an answer to requiring less plugs in sockets I'd seriously question your motives.

If you want a simple desk top solution I'm sure you can cut back but it sounds like you're looking for slightly better.

Despite what some may say here the DM10's are serious speakers and capable of excellent sound reproduction as I believe you've already discovered first hand. Maybe though you'd be better auditioning the new Kef wireless model ? To me they seem like more of an all in one package, a user friendly option with excellent sound. I've not heard them myself but read very positive reviews.

But the level you're now mentioning is out of my league and knowledge, that's Gazzip's, perhaps Electro's or Ellisdj's territory. But yes all boxes whatever their purpose require power, there's no escaping that.

No they are not.

And you know it.

Please Google the definition of "excellent".

Please try to describe equipment accurately instead of making misleading statements.

and am more qualifed than you to comment on their abilities.

Kindly stop being so patronsiing. Haven't I made it clear previously I have no interest in engaging with you and your nonsense. Go pick an argument elsewhere.

Hi Luckylion100,

The following may be helpful for your DM10's :

 

Regards,

Shadders.

P.S. It is a joke. Sort of. 

 

Thanks Shadders,

As you can no doubt tell from above I'm really in the joking mood.

I'm minding my own business and out of the woodwork comes this nonsense. Anyway i expect little more from some people.

Regards

Hi,

I saw this in another thread - so i have been itching to use it. No offence meant. 

Regards,

Shadders. 

Isn't this a bit racist though?

Hi,

How on earth did you get racism from that ?. Pooh is brown - usually - wood is brown too. So, turd polish is quite apt ?

Regards,

Shadders. 

Ok, so the joke wasn't funny. My Polish wife also didn't get it

Hi,

The word is not Polish, but polish. It is a standard UK joke - you can't polish a turd. 

Regards,

Shadders.

I know Shadders, I got the joke. Mine, we already established, not funny word play was due to the fact it had all caps POLISH.

Anyway, I hope no offence taken. As I didn't intend to offend.

Hi,

No - i was not offended - but in the UK too many people are politically correct or want to take offence - it is a form of control.

The two words as used do not mean Polish, but does mean polish. In english the two words as presented will never mean Polish. The tin is the standard tin for Kiwi polish - not sure if the brand is ubiquitous elsewhere in the world.

Regards,

Shadders. 

Yep, shoe polish is more or less same in all countries I've been to irrespective of the brand.

In regards to political correctness, I know exactly what you mean. Anything good in excess can be harmful. I'm off. Have a good night!

 

[luckylion100]

LindsayT, get a life... there's more to it than this.

I don't see you jumping on other's I could name when they issue high praise of particular brands of speakers which according to the law of LindsayT aren't and could never have the word 'excellent' applied to them. Why is that?!

Why's it such a painful issue for you that I enjoy my speakers so much? Isn't that the point of this hobby? I'm not on here constantly banging on about them, are you missing IPV?

Next time there's a seemingly endless stream of new threads from those seeking advice about forming a budget system and the usual brands and components are mentioned by the all too familiar usual suspects I expect to see some constistency from you, go and instruct them on their incorrect use of the English language when they'd ladening excessive and misleading praise on products that in your opinion are undeserving and utter tat. Fairs, fairs eh?

As for the foul language, it was no accidental slip of the tongue but intended. So go and report me to the headmaster, because you act at times like you're on the school playground..

One last thing, I don't answer or need to justify myself to you!

 

[tonky]

Last word itis is setting in on this thread.

Milwall fc - now that a turd that needs polish - (all lower case - thought police might be around)

tonky

 

[tonky]

Just leave it - is it really worth reacting - provoking - reacting - provoking ad nauseum - only carried out by "sad little people - haters" ? - dear me !

tonky

 

[jmjones]

Keep the faith Mr. Lion, I have no doubt the silent majority on here may or may not agree with what you say, but this forum should defend your right to say it. I'm still trying to find somewhere I can get to listen to some AVIs so I can make my own mind up. Nice compact solution if you ask me.

Question for you though. Have you come across any problems with file types or file resolutions that the DM10s can't play? I had a broadening of my horizons when I added an Oppo. I could suddenly try out a lot of different sources and keep my old gear on the road. I was wondering what the DM10s can play.

 

[luckylion100]

Hardly original, nothing I haven't heard a hundred times over, perhaps try harder next time.

I thought this particular forum section was intended to speak about active speakers in a positive light, without all the nonsense that the haters bring. Sad little people...

 

[avole]

Hardly original, nothing I haven't heard a hundred times over, perhaps try harder next time.

I thought this particular forum section was intended to speak about active speakers in a positive light, without all the nonsense that the haters bring. Sad little people...

There are a lot of not very good active speakers out there, just as there are passive. Both deserve equal praise or criticism where it is due.

 

[shadders]

Hardly original, nothing I haven't heard a hundred times over, perhaps try harder next time.

I thought this particular forum section was intended to speak about active speakers in a positive light, without all the nonsense that the haters bring. Sad little people...

Hi Luckylion100

People are pulling your leg - or pressing the button. There are no haters, just critical comments and mickey taking. *blum3*

Regards,

Shadders.

 

[luckylion100]

but I now feel things are getting personal, no matter how some try to mask it.

the original post I replied to was puerile and needless.

And re 'positive light', perhaps I wasn't clear, I meant without all these needless arguments. The thing is I'm the type once pushed I definitely push back. I do it in real life, I'll do it here but I'd rather not be put in that position. Like I've mentioned elsewhere, some of us have serious real life issues to contend with. This is a hobby for me, I'd like to enjoy it.

I'm fed up of being constantly criticised and told that I'm totally misguided or a shill (absolutely insulting) for enjoying MY choice of loud speaker. Doesn't almost every other poster do the same when they make a personal recommendation on here? Look at all the endless mention of brands like Dali, Q Acoustics, Mission (of late) and Monitor Audio, where's the criticism there? FFS, I was talking about Emotiva at the time!

Anyway clearly somene is beyond reproach, he can get on with it, just do it away from me.

 

[luckylion100]

Hardly original, nothing I haven't heard a hundred times over, perhaps try harder next time.

I thought this particular forum section was intended to speak about active speakers in a positive light, without all the nonsense that the haters bring. Sad little people...

Hi Luckylion100

People are pulling your leg - or pressing the button. There are no haters, just critical comments and mickey taking. *blum3*

Regards,

Shadders.

Being called a shill isn't pulling my leg. I've seen it used too often on here and it was meant. This itch that some need to repeatedly scratch is not my concern.

 

[luckylion100]

Keep the faith Mr. Lion, I have no doubt the silent majority on here may or may not agree with what you say, but this forum should defend your right to say it. I'm still trying to find somewhere I can get to listen to some AVIs so I can make my own mind up. Nice compact solution if you ask me.

Question for you though. Have you come across any problems with file types or file resolutions that the DM10s can't play? I had a broadening of my horizons when I added an Oppo. I could suddenly try out a lot of different sources and keep my old gear on the road. I was wondering what the DM10s can play.

As for compact solution I haven't found that to be the case. Without external pre-amp I've found them a nightmare to use. Volume control is totally blind, not good at all. In my opinion added boxes are required, my collection is growing, see signature. I've never viewed them as a one box does it al solutionl. I may be wrong but I believe AVI attempted to align themselves with Apple products (although this is before my time) All you need is an mini mac, ipod or iphone type hype. I think it's absolute nonsense. I purchased my DM10's and the (new at the time) Yamaha WXC-50 at the same time. I've not used the DM10's without an external pre-amp and volume control. When my Yamaha went pop I tried various solutions, all horrible.I require a streaming device of some kind.

So re your question about what file types they can or can't play, for me it's all been dependent on the streamer/external device I've employed. I've played every type but for MQA. I've said it before I purchased them as speakers alone, not a great deal of the internal ectronics have I employed.

I believe the new Kef wireless are a better 'one box' compact solution than the DM10's How they fare sound v sound I've no idea. How's that for a shill?! ;-)