Big Aura
Well-known member
Sorry Andrew - had seen the previous bits on percentage et al, but not on tech results from testing. Didn't mean to open shut cases.
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Thank you Simon and others for some answers to the questions I raised although there does appear now to be a discrepancy between the memory function for upto 5 discs existing on the import BDP 83 but not on the BDP 831 ... can someone confirm this and let me know a definitive answer for the BDP 831 ?
lhc - yes going to demo stuff is a fine approach but as others have said sometimes this limits severely what you can actually demo and in the case of the BDP 831 is simply not an option given you cannot demo one without first purchasing it......and now there appear to be some differences creeping in between it and it's American cousin the 83....
dOH! things get no simpler
lhc - yes going to demo stuff is a fine approach but as others have said sometimes this limits severely what you can actually demo and in the case of the BDP 831 is simply not an option given you cannot demo one without first purchasing it......and now there appear to be some differences creeping in between it and it's American cousin the 83....
dOH! things get no simpler
The memory function certainly wasn't working on our Oppo BDP-831 earlier. Is this perhaps something that was added via firmware update to the '83 after release?
920 posts on this!
It's a BD player, I'm sure it's a very fine player and those that purchase will not be dissapointed along with the people that have bought the Pio 51 or 71, the Denon transport etc..
The differences in the latest generation of players IMO are very hard to find, I don't think I would notice if the new sony is any better than the Oppo or my Denon. If I did it would really be nit picking if that's the correct way to put it.
Fighting over star ratings? I based my Denon purchase on this, I could have saved a lot of money.
My advise, try before you buy..
It's a BD player, I'm sure it's a very fine player and those that purchase will not be dissapointed along with the people that have bought the Pio 51 or 71, the Denon transport etc..
The differences in the latest generation of players IMO are very hard to find, I don't think I would notice if the new sony is any better than the Oppo or my Denon. If I did it would really be nit picking if that's the correct way to put it.
Fighting over star ratings? I based my Denon purchase on this, I could have saved a lot of money.
My advise, try before you buy..
but tha's just the problem Del - you cannot try the oppo before purchasing it (or actually purchase one at all it would seem hehe) and if there are now differences emerging between the 83 and the 831 then it would be good to know this before potentially committing monies to any purchase..........
btw - am I right to assume from the partial answer given previously that neither Sony nor Oppo play FLAC or OGG format files?
p.s. maybe the team could check with Oppo about the memory function as it appears to clearly exist on the 83....?
btw - am I right to assume from the partial answer given previously that neither Sony nor Oppo play FLAC or OGG format files?
p.s. maybe the team could check with Oppo about the memory function as it appears to clearly exist on the 83....?
Clare Newsome:
The memory function certainly wasn't working on our Oppo BDP-831 earlier. Is this perhaps something that was added via firmware update to the '83 after release?
Perhaps a question for Oppo? Along with "when will the bl**dy web site be finished"
The memory function certainly wasn't working on our Oppo BDP-831 earlier. Is this perhaps something that was added via firmware update to the '83 after release?
Perhaps a question for Oppo? Along with "when will the bl**dy web site be finished"
it may be a surprise to you - but WHF is more than a simply a UK magazine - it is international. I'm sure you can deduct from my English, I am not a UK resident. However I buy quite some stuff from internet and unfortunately for some items I have to rely on internet reviews.
When I buy a car, I do not automatically 'buy' marketing language, such 'driving pleasure' etc, I look for specific properties/characteristics of a car. I expect the same on other hardware - pc's, hifi, avr etc etc.
I believe a proper AV magazine could also educate its readers and IMHO it is best done buy providing more technical details for consumers
When I buy a car, I do not automatically 'buy' marketing language, such 'driving pleasure' etc, I look for specific properties/characteristics of a car. I expect the same on other hardware - pc's, hifi, avr etc etc.
I believe a proper AV magazine could also educate its readers and IMHO it is best done buy providing more technical details for consumers
Genaa:
but tha's just the problem Del - you cannot try the oppo before purchasing it (or actually purchase one at all it would seem hehe) and if there are now differences emerging between the 83 and the 831 then it would be good to know this before potentially committing monies to any purchase..........
btw - am I right to assume from the partial answer given previously that neither Sony nor Oppo play FLAC or OGG format files?
p.s. maybe the team could check with Oppo about the memory function as it appears to clearly exist on the 83....?
Hi Genaa,
So if you cannot try the Oppo before you buy then I wonder how they can sell their product here in the UK. I Guess by reveiws etc..that have tried it.
I feel that the Oppo has had a lot of attention on the forum and has been tested as a result of it,for these reasons WHF has responded and given their results, that's my possitive view on this.
My negative is that..
I'm not happy with the 5 star review of the Denon transport at launch for £900 though..it is a fine piece of kit, I'm just glad it was purchased for £549.00 or I would really be upset.
but tha's just the problem Del - you cannot try the oppo before purchasing it (or actually purchase one at all it would seem hehe) and if there are now differences emerging between the 83 and the 831 then it would be good to know this before potentially committing monies to any purchase..........
btw - am I right to assume from the partial answer given previously that neither Sony nor Oppo play FLAC or OGG format files?
p.s. maybe the team could check with Oppo about the memory function as it appears to clearly exist on the 83....?
Hi Genaa,
So if you cannot try the Oppo before you buy then I wonder how they can sell their product here in the UK. I Guess by reveiws etc..that have tried it.
I feel that the Oppo has had a lot of attention on the forum and has been tested as a result of it,for these reasons WHF has responded and given their results, that's my possitive view on this.
My negative is that..
I'm not happy with the 5 star review of the Denon transport at launch for £900 though..it is a fine piece of kit, I'm just glad it was purchased for £549.00 or I would really be upset.
Big Aura:after reading in a German mag (i.e. looking at some graphs)
German mags eh Aura.. eh eh
You don't have to pretend to have been looking at some 'graphs' mate. We're all adults here.
Seriously though, all this brings to light the change in society with shopping and personal purchases. People now expect every answer to every question on a product from online resources like WHF as a God given right. Demoing is now believed by many to be uneccesary. With the potential to blame a bad purchase at the door of the reviewers. The pressure & responsibility foisted on the likes of WHF is large, with consumers not willing to take any personal ownership for mistakes.
I don't know how they sleep at night, sending people off to t'internet to spend their hard-earned on the wrong products (as Will would have you believe).
German mags eh Aura.. eh eh
You don't have to pretend to have been looking at some 'graphs' mate. We're all adults here.Seriously though, all this brings to light the change in society with shopping and personal purchases. People now expect every answer to every question on a product from online resources like WHF as a God given right. Demoing is now believed by many to be uneccesary. With the potential to blame a bad purchase at the door of the reviewers. The pressure & responsibility foisted on the likes of WHF is large, with consumers not willing to take any personal ownership for mistakes.
I don't know how they sleep at night, sending people off to t'internet to spend their hard-earned on the wrong products (as Will would have you believe).
Dazmb:Big Aura:after reading in a German mag (i.e. looking at some graphs) German mags eh Aura.. eh eh You don't have to pretend to have been looking at some 'graphs' mate. We're all adults here. Seriously though, all this brings to light the change in society with shopping and personal purchases. People now expect every answer to every question on a product from online resources like WHF as a God given right. Demoing is now believed by many to be uneccesary. With the potential to blame a bad purchase at the door of the reviewers. The pressure & responsibility foisted on the likes of WHF is large, with consumers not willing to take any personal ownership for mistakes. I don't know how they sleep at night, sending people off to t'internet to spend their hard-earned on the wrong products (as Will would have you believe).If people did not rely on WHF to help them with their purchases, then it would soon go out of business. I buy magazines like Which and WHF because there are so many choices and I have no way of testing even a small percentage of them.
You don't have to pretend to have been looking at some 'graphs' mate. We're all adults here. Seriously though, all this brings to light the change in society with shopping and personal purchases. People now expect every answer to every question on a product from online resources like WHF as a God given right. Demoing is now believed by many to be uneccesary. With the potential to blame a bad purchase at the door of the reviewers. The pressure & responsibility foisted on the likes of WHF is large, with consumers not willing to take any personal ownership for mistakes. I don't know how they sleep at night, sending people off to t'internet to spend their hard-earned on the wrong products (as Will would have you believe).If people did not rely on WHF to help them with their purchases, then it would soon go out of business. I buy magazines like Which and WHF because there are so many choices and I have no way of testing even a small percentage of them.
Big Aura
Well-known member
but Which? is a bit of a joke - its reviews are squarely pointed towards "cheap is best", and they don't allow you to read their on-line reviews unless you subscribe. I did to read their reviews of the best barbecues. They reviewed two. A few quid well-spent, not.
No comment on the German mags, other than to say the wife's response was "ffs - you spend enough time with that stuff on languages you can read". I responded with "here - you speak German, what does this say".
No comment on the German mags, other than to say the wife's response was "ffs - you spend enough time with that stuff on languages you can read". I responded with "here - you speak German, what does this say".
Graphs and tables - I love it If you go to audioholics site (US), it has a review of bdp-83 (top right corner) - it is not full ''5 star'' either, but at least I understand why. Oppo review on here mentions sony as a benchmark and that it has better picture (I have not seen one yet, but sure sony will be available in where I live), but what exactly (other than marketing terms provided by sony itself) sony does better -no clue
If you go to audioholics site (US), it has a review of bdp-83 (top right corner) - it is not full ''5 star'' either, but at least I understand why. Oppo review on here mentions sony as a benchmark and that it has better picture (I have not seen one yet, but sure sony will be available in where I live), but what exactly (other than marketing terms provided by sony itself) sony does better -no clueSo as the Sony offers greater detail in its pic quality does that mean we see a couple more leaves on tree scenes?? Or does a twig turn into a conifer?
mooney0581:
but what exactly (other than marketing terms provided by sony itself) sony does better -no clue
Sony review online here
but what exactly (other than marketing terms provided by sony itself) sony does better -no clue
Sony review online here
hammill:Dazmb:Big Aura:after reading in a German mag (i.e. looking at some graphs) German mags eh Aura.. eh eh You don't have to pretend to have been looking at some 'graphs' mate. We're all adults here. Seriously though, all this brings to light the change in society with shopping and personal purchases. People now expect every answer to every question on a product from online resources like WHF as a God given right. Demoing is now believed by many to be uneccesary. With the potential to blame a bad purchase at the door of the reviewers. The pressure & responsibility foisted on the likes of WHF is large, with consumers not willing to take any personal ownership for mistakes. I don't know how they sleep at night, sending people off to t'internet to spend their hard-earned on the wrong products (as Will would have you believe).If people did not rely on WHF to help them with their purchases, then it would soon go out of business. I buy magazines like Which and WHF because there are so many choices and I have no way of testing even a small percentage of them.
Help them make them - yes. Make them for them - no. I don't think WHF expect people to rely on their views only. They certainly have never said that demoing is not needed. Demos at a local Hi-Fi shop / electrical retailer is still indispensible for thoroughness.
For a lot of A/V gear it is not like the washing machines/hoovers and such like that Which usually review. That's a purely mechanical act - does the washing machine clean clothes well, does the hoover get dust out of the carpet etc. An amp amplifies sound at it's core function - but it has an element of personal approval with it too doesn't it. You shouldn't care how a hoover goes about it's job as long as it does it well. But you will care if the amp doesn't give you the sound you are after. And bare in mind that the sound WHF gets in it's test lab won't be quite the same as you do once it's integrated into your setup in your front room.
For purchases like this maybe if you can't demo then don't buy it? A car for most has to give some personal satisfaction. Would you buy a £3000 car without driving it? I doubt it. So why would you buy say a £3000 A/V receiver without giving it a good test in person having only relying on others views? You can't lay everything at the doors of reviewers. A mag/internet review can only be the start of a process to choose new A/V gear. You can't seriously be saying that you expect reviews to get you to a point where you have pinpointed the exact piece of gear that is going to be BOTH technically right for you and that gives you the personal satisfaction with either the video presentation or sound that we are looking for with our setups?
Without demoing you are taking a risk, dare I say asking for trouble. I know we all do it at times, and ok that's fine. But people have to take it on the chin if you buy something based on reviews only and it doesn't work out. That's not the fault of the likes of WHF.
You don't have to pretend to have been looking at some 'graphs' mate. We're all adults here. Seriously though, all this brings to light the change in society with shopping and personal purchases. People now expect every answer to every question on a product from online resources like WHF as a God given right. Demoing is now believed by many to be uneccesary. With the potential to blame a bad purchase at the door of the reviewers. The pressure & responsibility foisted on the likes of WHF is large, with consumers not willing to take any personal ownership for mistakes. I don't know how they sleep at night, sending people off to t'internet to spend their hard-earned on the wrong products (as Will would have you believe).If people did not rely on WHF to help them with their purchases, then it would soon go out of business. I buy magazines like Which and WHF because there are so many choices and I have no way of testing even a small percentage of them.Help them make them - yes. Make them for them - no. I don't think WHF expect people to rely on their views only. They certainly have never said that demoing is not needed. Demos at a local Hi-Fi shop / electrical retailer is still indispensible for thoroughness.
For a lot of A/V gear it is not like the washing machines/hoovers and such like that Which usually review. That's a purely mechanical act - does the washing machine clean clothes well, does the hoover get dust out of the carpet etc. An amp amplifies sound at it's core function - but it has an element of personal approval with it too doesn't it. You shouldn't care how a hoover goes about it's job as long as it does it well. But you will care if the amp doesn't give you the sound you are after. And bare in mind that the sound WHF gets in it's test lab won't be quite the same as you do once it's integrated into your setup in your front room.
For purchases like this maybe if you can't demo then don't buy it? A car for most has to give some personal satisfaction. Would you buy a £3000 car without driving it? I doubt it. So why would you buy say a £3000 A/V receiver without giving it a good test in person having only relying on others views? You can't lay everything at the doors of reviewers. A mag/internet review can only be the start of a process to choose new A/V gear. You can't seriously be saying that you expect reviews to get you to a point where you have pinpointed the exact piece of gear that is going to be BOTH technically right for you and that gives you the personal satisfaction with either the video presentation or sound that we are looking for with our setups?
Without demoing you are taking a risk, dare I say asking for trouble. I know we all do it at times, and ok that's fine. But people have to take it on the chin if you buy something based on reviews only and it doesn't work out. That's not the fault of the likes of WHF.
''Precision Cinema HD claims to help....'' sorry Andrew - it must be my English - is it really producing sharper (or other -er/-est) picture or it only claims to help? It is not very assertive
remind me somebody, does either of these players have onboard memory for BD-live stuff? Can't remember and head hurts too much to trawl through 63 pages of thread!
Cheers,
Cheers,
mooney0581:''Precision Cinema HD claims to help....'' sorry Andrew - it must be my English - is it really producing sharper (or other -er/-est) picture or it only claims to help? It is not very assertive
It's a common narrative review style: you start off with what the manufacturer claims, then put those claims to the test; the superlative nature of the Sony's performance in its price class suggest that the processing involved has a real-world benefit.
That's the danger of reading review extracts out of context...
It's a common narrative review style: you start off with what the manufacturer claims, then put those claims to the test; the superlative nature of the Sony's performance in its price class suggest that the processing involved has a real-world benefit.
That's the danger of reading review extracts out of context...
Thanks Clare, reading the thread and reviews will also help my English
it is not exactly same type of English I was taught at school
. I thought I knew English, but it still sounds French to me, OK I'm
mooney0581:
Graphs and tables - I love it If you go to audioholics site (US), it has a review of bdp-83 (top right corner) - it is not full ''5 star'' either, but at least I understand why. Oppo review on here mentions sony as a benchmark and that it has better picture (I have not seen one yet, but sure sony will be available in where I live), but what exactly (other than marketing terms provided by sony itself) sony does better -no clue
I concur with this forumite and in fact I tried to tell the same things (more or less).
Let me set forth another perspective: The "full review" consists of two sub-titles, which are "multiregion is an option" and "sony player does it better", before which an explanation is provided regarding what the player can play, i.e. its universality etc. I still firmly believe that this should not be called "full review". You may concur with me or not, that's completely up to you. I understand that WHF tweaks its reviews to a "standard half-page magazine" format, but such format cannot theoretically provide sufficient information, in my humble opinion.
I have been closely keeping an eye on this thread and I observed that mods sometimes ban people, amend their posts, or kindly warn them etc.. I think it is not fair for a first-time poster to encounter a reply of a forumite saying "is it time to lock this baby?" just because I expressed my views without harming anyone and provided some suggestions on the rating and reviewing system. This is very rude.
Graphs and tables - I love it
If you go to audioholics site (US), it has a review of bdp-83 (top right corner) - it is not full ''5 star'' either, but at least I understand why. Oppo review on here mentions sony as a benchmark and that it has better picture (I have not seen one yet, but sure sony will be available in where I live), but what exactly (other than marketing terms provided by sony itself) sony does better -no clueI concur with this forumite and in fact I tried to tell the same things (more or less).
Let me set forth another perspective: The "full review" consists of two sub-titles, which are "multiregion is an option" and "sony player does it better", before which an explanation is provided regarding what the player can play, i.e. its universality etc. I still firmly believe that this should not be called "full review". You may concur with me or not, that's completely up to you. I understand that WHF tweaks its reviews to a "standard half-page magazine" format, but such format cannot theoretically provide sufficient information, in my humble opinion.
I have been closely keeping an eye on this thread and I observed that mods sometimes ban people, amend their posts, or kindly warn them etc.. I think it is not fair for a first-time poster to encounter a reply of a forumite saying "is it time to lock this baby?" just because I expressed my views without harming anyone and provided some suggestions on the rating and reviewing system. This is very rude.
redbullmaster
Well-known member
Has anyone done a side by side comparison between the 831 and the BDP-83 yet. To see if they are in fact the same machine, or if there are some difference's between them. Maybe if someone who owns the BDP-83 could take some pictures of the inside of it, and if someone at what hi-if did the same with the 831. It would help put my mind at ease on which one to bye, just in case the uk model is using cheaper components. I'm tempted by the sony s760, but i really do need region free capability.
My two cents:
I can empathise with both points of view here:
If SACD is a priority then I certainly think that an extra star for the Oppo can be warranted.
On the other side of my 2c, the fact that the cheaper Sony and Pioneer ultimately offer finer picture quality is somewhat of a shortcoming in the Oppo. From other UK reviews I think one would be hard pressed to dispute this.
Of-course, if the 2c can be left to stand upright one could also argue that the Oppo's video quality is good enough.
So my logic would dictate that if you're a SACD nut - then go for it. Otherwise it's the Sony or Pioneer.
I can empathise with both points of view here:
If SACD is a priority then I certainly think that an extra star for the Oppo can be warranted.
On the other side of my 2c, the fact that the cheaper Sony and Pioneer ultimately offer finer picture quality is somewhat of a shortcoming in the Oppo. From other UK reviews I think one would be hard pressed to dispute this.
Of-course, if the 2c can be left to stand upright one could also argue that the Oppo's video quality is good enough.
So my logic would dictate that if you're a SACD nut - then go for it. Otherwise it's the Sony or Pioneer.
Ravey Gravey Davy
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mg428:mooney0581:
Graphs and tables - I love it If you go to audioholics site (US), it has a review of bdp-83 (top right corner) - it is not full ''5 star'' either, but at least I understand why. Oppo review on here mentions sony as a benchmark and that it has better picture (I have not seen one yet, but sure sony will be available in where I live), but what exactly (other than marketing terms provided by sony itself) sony does better -no clue
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.. I think it is not fair for a first-time poster to encounter a reply of a forumite saying "is it time to lock this baby?" just because I expressed my views without harming anyone and provided some suggestions on the rating and reviewing system. This is very rude.
Do not worry -he was not referring to you with this comment - he was referring to the complete thread and whether it should be locked -in other words brought to an end before it became silly.
Graphs and tables - I love it
If you go to audioholics site (US), it has a review of bdp-83 (top right corner) - it is not full ''5 star'' either, but at least I understand why. Oppo review on here mentions sony as a benchmark and that it has better picture (I have not seen one yet, but sure sony will be available in where I live), but what exactly (other than marketing terms provided by sony itself) sony does better -no clue.
.. I think it is not fair for a first-time poster to encounter a reply of a forumite saying "is it time to lock this baby?" just because I expressed my views without harming anyone and provided some suggestions on the rating and reviewing system. This is very rude.
Do not worry -he was not referring to you with this comment - he was referring to the complete thread and whether it should be locked -in other words brought to an end before it became silly.
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