I actually find it a little scary that the Oppo owners are so aggressively defending it. I'm not sure if it puts me off or not but it almost sounds like religious fervour rather than objective opinion....
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DocK:
As a home cinema ethusiast, member of this forum and person, I fins some of the insinuations and blatant attacks on WHF completely ridiculous.
The fact that some people can react so aggressively because a piece of hardware has 'only' received a 4 star 'very good' review leaves me beyond comprehension.
I am very impressed with WHF's attempt to answer questions and queries even in the face of people trying to find some underlying conspiracy or hidden meaning in them.
If you feel that WHF are lying, not being honest, whatever, step back and actually look at what you are saying.
This is almost beyond a joke now.
If that's aimed partly at me, you're not reading what I've said over the past couple of days.
As a home cinema ethusiast, member of this forum and person, I fins some of the insinuations and blatant attacks on WHF completely ridiculous.
The fact that some people can react so aggressively because a piece of hardware has 'only' received a 4 star 'very good' review leaves me beyond comprehension.
I am very impressed with WHF's attempt to answer questions and queries even in the face of people trying to find some underlying conspiracy or hidden meaning in them.
If you feel that WHF are lying, not being honest, whatever, step back and actually look at what you are saying.
This is almost beyond a joke now.
If that's aimed partly at me, you're not reading what I've said over the past couple of days.
Novelist Arthur Koestler famously coined the neologism 'mimophant' to describe Bobby Fischer. "A mimophant is a hybrid species: a cross between a mimosa and an elephant. A member of this species is sensitive like a mimosa where his own feelings are concerned and thick-skinned like an elephant trampling over the feelings of others."
Alec
Well-known member
Simon, do you have an opinion on the better DVD upscaler - Denon 2500BT or Sony? (pick the denon, pick the denon)
DocK:
As a home cinema ethusiast, member of this forum and person, I fins some of the insinuations and blatant attacks on WHF completely ridiculous.
The fact that some people can react so aggressively because a piece of hardware has 'only' received a 4 star 'very good' review leaves me beyond comprehension.
I am very impressed with WHF's attempt to answer questions and queries even in the face of people trying to find some underlying conspiracy or hidden meaning in them.
If you feel that WHF are lying, not being honest, whatever, step back and actually look at what you are saying.
This is almost beyond a joke now.
As a home cinema ethusiast, member of this forum and person, I fins some of the insinuations and blatant attacks on WHF completely ridiculous.
The fact that some people can react so aggressively because a piece of hardware has 'only' received a 4 star 'very good' review leaves me beyond comprehension.
I am very impressed with WHF's attempt to answer questions and queries even in the face of people trying to find some underlying conspiracy or hidden meaning in them.
If you feel that WHF are lying, not being honest, whatever, step back and actually look at what you are saying.
This is almost beyond a joke now.
Alec
Well-known member
Simon Lucas:
Novelist Arthur Koestler famously coined the neologism 'mimophant' to describe Bobby Fischer. "A mimophant is a hybrid species: a cross between a mimosa and an elephant. A member of this species is sensitive like a mimosa where his own feelings are concerned and thick-skinned like an elephant trampling over the feelings of others."
I've read this post before somewhere...
Novelist Arthur Koestler famously coined the neologism 'mimophant' to describe Bobby Fischer. "A mimophant is a hybrid species: a cross between a mimosa and an elephant. A member of this species is sensitive like a mimosa where his own feelings are concerned and thick-skinned like an elephant trampling over the feelings of others."
I've read this post before somewhere...
pete321:DocK:
As a home cinema ethusiast, member of this forum and person, I fins some of the insinuations and blatant attacks on WHF completely ridiculous.
The fact that some people can react so aggressively because a piece of hardware has 'only' received a 4 star 'very good' review leaves me beyond comprehension.
I am very impressed with WHF's attempt to answer questions and queries even in the face of people trying to find some underlying conspiracy or hidden meaning in them.
If you feel that WHF are lying, not being honest, whatever, step back and actually look at what you are saying.
This is almost beyond a joke now.
If that's aimed partly at me, you're not reading what I've said over the past couple of days.
@ Pete321, it was a generalisation of this thread, I have no issue at all with people who have hands on with the equipment and suggest that based on that experience a figure, stat etc may be incorrect.
As a home cinema ethusiast, member of this forum and person, I fins some of the insinuations and blatant attacks on WHF completely ridiculous.
The fact that some people can react so aggressively because a piece of hardware has 'only' received a 4 star 'very good' review leaves me beyond comprehension.
I am very impressed with WHF's attempt to answer questions and queries even in the face of people trying to find some underlying conspiracy or hidden meaning in them.
If you feel that WHF are lying, not being honest, whatever, step back and actually look at what you are saying.
This is almost beyond a joke now.
If that's aimed partly at me, you're not reading what I've said over the past couple of days.
@ Pete321, it was a generalisation of this thread, I have no issue at all with people who have hands on with the equipment and suggest that based on that experience a figure, stat etc may be incorrect.
Davo2008:Simon, do you have an opinion on the better DVD upscaler - Denon 2500BT or Sony? (pick the denon, pick the denon)
Leave it with me, Davo. I will personally lead a squad down to the home cinema room this afternoon and bring you an answer. Loading times will not be discussed.
Leave it with me, Davo. I will personally lead a squad down to the home cinema room this afternoon and bring you an answer. Loading times will not be discussed.
Davo2008:
I actually find it a little scary that the Oppo owners are so aggressively defending it. I'm not sure if it puts me off or not but it almost sounds like religious fervour rather than objective opinion....
If I hadbn't bought the Oppo some months ago, I'd probably be buying the Sony 760 tomorrow as I wouldn't have wanted SACD/DVD-A ability after selling all my discs when I got rid of my Pioneer i-link combo some while ago. But I did buy the Oppo and I'll keep it as it's got me into SACD again. What I'm saying is that I'm sure the Sony is better with BD, but I suspect by not much given the quality of 1080p video. The Sony probably deserves 5 stars, but I don't think the Oppo at only a £100 more can be reviewed in quite the same light as the Sony because of the extra features it brings to the table.
I actually find it a little scary that the Oppo owners are so aggressively defending it. I'm not sure if it puts me off or not but it almost sounds like religious fervour rather than objective opinion....
If I hadbn't bought the Oppo some months ago, I'd probably be buying the Sony 760 tomorrow as I wouldn't have wanted SACD/DVD-A ability after selling all my discs when I got rid of my Pioneer i-link combo some while ago. But I did buy the Oppo and I'll keep it as it's got me into SACD again. What I'm saying is that I'm sure the Sony is better with BD, but I suspect by not much given the quality of 1080p video. The Sony probably deserves 5 stars, but I don't think the Oppo at only a £100 more can be reviewed in quite the same light as the Sony because of the extra features it brings to the table.
The_Lhc
Well-known member
pete321:al7478:pete321:Simon Lucas:I haven't used a BDP-83, but I have used a BDP-831. Repeatedly. This 60-page thread has rather darkened my disposition towards the Oppo, but not to the extent that I would seek to make it look any tardier than it is. Nor would I suggest our BDP-831 had no memory of where a disc was stopped if it has.
As Clare has (exhaustively) pointed out on this and other threads, all of our reviews are undertaken by the test team. So yes, I was involved - just as I'm involved in all the other tests.
"BTW, don't you find the Oppo remote's inclusion of a 'power' button (to turn the power on or off), an 'on' button (to turn the power on) and an 'off' button (to turn the power off) quaint?"
So why the sarcasm to what was a perfectly reasonable observation to your findings during the test. You wonder why you get accusations thrown (which are probably unfounded for the most part) when you react so defensively.
Oh how utterly ridiculous!
Far as i could tell he was merely making an aside that it is genuinely quaint. Tho i would just call ity weird.
It doesnt help these threads when people give up oin reading and thinking.
You need to go back a bit, I disagreed with the power on/ready for disc time quoted by Simon, which isn't 16 seconds as the Oppo powers on and ejects from the eject button, so it's faster than the Sony in that respect. Simon obviously pointed out with a degree of sarcasm that that's what the power on/off buttons are for and obviously didn't like being questioned.
Anyway, it's getting a bit ner-ner-nee-ner-ner now. All I was saying is that one of his figures was wrong, don't need the sarcasm.
Seriously Pete, that ISN'T what he said at all, he simply pointed out the oddity of effectively having 3 power buttons on the remote, you appear to be the only person who's misread that, it's pretty clear really, no sarcasm at all.
As Clare has (exhaustively) pointed out on this and other threads, all of our reviews are undertaken by the test team. So yes, I was involved - just as I'm involved in all the other tests.
"BTW, don't you find the Oppo remote's inclusion of a 'power' button (to turn the power on or off), an 'on' button (to turn the power on) and an 'off' button (to turn the power off) quaint?"
So why the sarcasm to what was a perfectly reasonable observation to your findings during the test. You wonder why you get accusations thrown (which are probably unfounded for the most part) when you react so defensively.
Oh how utterly ridiculous!
Far as i could tell he was merely making an aside that it is genuinely quaint. Tho i would just call ity weird.
It doesnt help these threads when people give up oin reading and thinking.
You need to go back a bit, I disagreed with the power on/ready for disc time quoted by Simon, which isn't 16 seconds as the Oppo powers on and ejects from the eject button, so it's faster than the Sony in that respect. Simon obviously pointed out with a degree of sarcasm that that's what the power on/off buttons are for and obviously didn't like being questioned.
Anyway, it's getting a bit ner-ner-nee-ner-ner now. All I was saying is that one of his figures was wrong, don't need the sarcasm.
Seriously Pete, that ISN'T what he said at all, he simply pointed out the oddity of effectively having 3 power buttons on the remote, you appear to be the only person who's misread that, it's pretty clear really, no sarcasm at all.
hammill:I had read elsewhere that the oppo has this 5 disc memory. I find it extremely unlikely that the 831 would have this facility removed. Maybe it was faulty? Andrew, you had the 831 for a long time, what did/does yours do?
Not the foggiest - it's not a facility I have ever used on any disc player...
Not the foggiest - it's not a facility I have ever used on any disc player...
Simon Lucas:
Novelist Arthur Koestler famously coined the neologism 'mimophant' to describe Bobby Fischer. "A mimophant is a hybrid species: a cross between a mimosa and an elephant. A member of this species is sensitive like a mimosa where his own feelings are concerned and thick-skinned like an elephant trampling over the feelings of others."
Have a look over my old threads, you'll see how sensitive/protective I've been over some of the recent kit I've owned, e.g. Denon DVD-2500BT and Arcam AVR600.
If I mis-interpreted your power on/off button thingy, I'm sorry, have a public apology on me. Face to face discussion is so much easier!
Novelist Arthur Koestler famously coined the neologism 'mimophant' to describe Bobby Fischer. "A mimophant is a hybrid species: a cross between a mimosa and an elephant. A member of this species is sensitive like a mimosa where his own feelings are concerned and thick-skinned like an elephant trampling over the feelings of others."
Have a look over my old threads, you'll see how sensitive/protective I've been over some of the recent kit I've owned, e.g. Denon DVD-2500BT and Arcam AVR600.
If I mis-interpreted your power on/off button thingy, I'm sorry, have a public apology on me. Face to face discussion is so much easier!
the_lhc:Andy Madden:the_lhc:Clare Newsome:Directly from the Sony review:
Sony's HD Reality enhancer allows you to fine-tune the picture on the fly, and
tinker with aspects of performance such as grain and noise reduction.
Precision Cinema HD claims to help produce a smoother, sharper image. Finally,
the 'S760 also includes Sony's SBM (Super Bit Mapping) technology that
helps match the image to your display's bit depth (whether it's 8, 10,
or 12-bit).
Is that last bit automatic or something the user has to set themselves, ie do you need to know what bit-depth your display is to use this feature? I've no idea what the bit depth of my TV is (KRP-500a).
I didn't really want to go away from Pioneer for BD but I don't think I can wait long enough to save up for a new amp, so I might get the Sony for the multi-channel outs, it's not quite the cheapest I've seen with them but the only other one was a "Logik" BD player from Curries, which is getting a complete body swerve!
Maybe I'll sell the Sony once I've got an HDMI amp, to fund a BDP-LX52, how do they compare in picture quality terms?
Yes, it is automatic. The Sony makes all the adjustments internally.
Thank you Andy! That's pretty cool then, just out of curiosity, what display(s) was the Sony tested with?
Off the top of my head I remember seeing it used with our reference Marantz projector, a JVC DLA-HD750 and a 50-inch Pioneer Kuro. To be honest, I've seen/heard quite a bit of kit over the past month or two, so much so that it all just blurs into one ridiculously large system!
Sony's HD Reality enhancer allows you to fine-tune the picture on the fly, and
tinker with aspects of performance such as grain and noise reduction.
Precision Cinema HD claims to help produce a smoother, sharper image. Finally,
the 'S760 also includes Sony's SBM (Super Bit Mapping) technology that
helps match the image to your display's bit depth (whether it's 8, 10,
or 12-bit).
Is that last bit automatic or something the user has to set themselves, ie do you need to know what bit-depth your display is to use this feature? I've no idea what the bit depth of my TV is (KRP-500a).
I didn't really want to go away from Pioneer for BD but I don't think I can wait long enough to save up for a new amp, so I might get the Sony for the multi-channel outs, it's not quite the cheapest I've seen with them but the only other one was a "Logik" BD player from Curries, which is getting a complete body swerve!
Maybe I'll sell the Sony once I've got an HDMI amp, to fund a BDP-LX52, how do they compare in picture quality terms?
Yes, it is automatic. The Sony makes all the adjustments internally.
Thank you Andy! That's pretty cool then, just out of curiosity, what display(s) was the Sony tested with?
Off the top of my head I remember seeing it used with our reference Marantz projector, a JVC DLA-HD750 and a 50-inch Pioneer Kuro. To be honest, I've seen/heard quite a bit of kit over the past month or two, so much so that it all just blurs into one ridiculously large system!
Acciesboy:
Clare, as a fellow BD55 owner I'd be interested to know if you would spend £400 of your own hard earned cash to buy the Sony (or even the Oppo). The DB55 was £350-£400 this time last year, so would a £400 spend give a significant upgrade from this machine, which was very popular at the time? I'd be particularly interested in DVD upscaling comparisons as I still feel that's one area the BD55 isn't as good as my older Sony HDX 870 DVD recorder. And would the Sony be a "good fit" with your Yamaha Amp (I have the RX-V3900??)
As I said earlier in this thread, i'm still saving my new-BD-player fund, but plan to buy before Xmas. By then hopefully the Sony will be even cheaper than the £349 you can buy it for now, and i'll also have had a chance to try out the new Cambridge Audio, Toshiba and Yamaha players.
I've tried the 'S760 at home and it's a noticeable step up on the Panasonic - especially for DVD upscaling. But then I use a projector, so any differences are more obvious. The wireless connectivity really appeals, too - i've got enough damn wires trailing round the house!
Clare, as a fellow BD55 owner I'd be interested to know if you would spend £400 of your own hard earned cash to buy the Sony (or even the Oppo). The DB55 was £350-£400 this time last year, so would a £400 spend give a significant upgrade from this machine, which was very popular at the time? I'd be particularly interested in DVD upscaling comparisons as I still feel that's one area the BD55 isn't as good as my older Sony HDX 870 DVD recorder. And would the Sony be a "good fit" with your Yamaha Amp (I have the RX-V3900??)
As I said earlier in this thread, i'm still saving my new-BD-player fund, but plan to buy before Xmas. By then hopefully the Sony will be even cheaper than the £349 you can buy it for now, and i'll also have had a chance to try out the new Cambridge Audio, Toshiba and Yamaha players.
I've tried the 'S760 at home and it's a noticeable step up on the Panasonic - especially for DVD upscaling. But then I use a projector, so any differences are more obvious. The wireless connectivity really appeals, too - i've got enough damn wires trailing round the house!
The_Lhc
Well-known member
Andy Madden:the_lhc:
Thank you Andy! That's pretty cool then, just out of curiosity, what display(s) was the Sony tested with?
Off the top of my head I remember seeing it used with our reference Marantz projector, a JVC DLA-HD750 and a 50-inch Pioneer Kuro. To be honest, I've seen/heard quite a bit of kit over the past month or two, so much so that it all just blurs into one ridiculously large system!
Cool, I was hoping you'd say there was a Kuro in there! It's a decent match with a Kuro then? That's good to hear.
Thank you Andy! That's pretty cool then, just out of curiosity, what display(s) was the Sony tested with?
Off the top of my head I remember seeing it used with our reference Marantz projector, a JVC DLA-HD750 and a 50-inch Pioneer Kuro. To be honest, I've seen/heard quite a bit of kit over the past month or two, so much so that it all just blurs into one ridiculously large system!
Cool, I was hoping you'd say there was a Kuro in there! It's a decent match with a Kuro then? That's good to hear.
Andrew Everard:
hammill:I had read elsewhere that the oppo has this 5 disc memory. I find it extremely unlikely that the 831 would have this facility removed. Maybe it was faulty? Andrew, you had the 831 for a long time, what did/does yours do?
Not the foggiest - it's not a facility I have ever used on any disc player...
Fair enough, no kids obviously. Can anyone check this please, because it is a feature I am very interested in? It is certainly part of the spec for the 83.
hammill:I had read elsewhere that the oppo has this 5 disc memory. I find it extremely unlikely that the 831 would have this facility removed. Maybe it was faulty? Andrew, you had the 831 for a long time, what did/does yours do?
Not the foggiest - it's not a facility I have ever used on any disc player...
Fair enough, no kids obviously. Can anyone check this please, because it is a feature I am very interested in? It is certainly part of the spec for the 83.
Alec
Well-known member
Simon Lucas:al7478:
I've read this post before somewhere...
Yes, it's all about timing isn't it?
Spose it must be. Not convinced that aliens arent involved somewhere tho. Feel like ive been abducted and consequently missed something(s)...
I've read this post before somewhere...
Yes, it's all about timing isn't it?
Spose it must be. Not convinced that aliens arent involved somewhere tho. Feel like ive been abducted and consequently missed something(s)...
al7478:DocK:
This is almost beyond a joke now.
Almost? Almost? Almost? ALMOST?
Well. . . .almost. . .
This is almost beyond a joke now.
Almost? Almost? Almost? ALMOST?
Well. . . .almost. . .
Simon Lucas:
Davo2008:Simon, do you have an opinion on the better DVD upscaler - Denon 2500BT or Sony? (pick the denon, pick the denon)
Leave it with me, Davo. I will personally lead a squad down to the home cinema room this afternoon and bring you an answer. Loading times will not be discussed.
Thanks Simon! Just tell me the Denon is on a par! I don't care about load times regardless of how long it takes! I've never found a machine that's slower than the time it takes me to get a beer and some popcorn! What I do care about, as I have 30 Blu Ray discs and 1000 DVDs, is the best DVD upscaler on the planet (in that ballpark price range) ! If that's the Sony, then I have to revist my life of crime! If the Denon's as good, then I can stay on the straight and narrow for a while longer!
Please let me know what you think!
Davo2008:Simon, do you have an opinion on the better DVD upscaler - Denon 2500BT or Sony? (pick the denon, pick the denon)
Leave it with me, Davo. I will personally lead a squad down to the home cinema room this afternoon and bring you an answer. Loading times will not be discussed.
Thanks Simon! Just tell me the Denon is on a par! I don't care about load times regardless of how long it takes! I've never found a machine that's slower than the time it takes me to get a beer and some popcorn! What I do care about, as I have 30 Blu Ray discs and 1000 DVDs, is the best DVD upscaler on the planet (in that ballpark price range) ! If that's the Sony, then I have to revist my life of crime! If the Denon's as good, then I can stay on the straight and narrow for a while longer!
Ravey Gravey Davy
Well-known member
I have been checking this particular thread for about a month and had been eagerly waiting for the review of BDP-831.
Can someone confirm whether the below is really the full review??
http://whathifi.com/Review/Oppo-BDP-831/
Or is there a longer version available in the magazine or something and one needs to subscribe in order to read it? If so, will it be made available online in future? If not, I cannot comprehend how this review is deemed a "full review".
Also, I was wondering whether WHF rates a product on a half-point basis. If so, in my humble opinion, as someone who owns a multiregion BDP-83, I think this product deserves at least 4.5 stars.
PS. I have registered to the forum just to obtain some answers to my above questions, and hence my post count.
Can someone confirm whether the below is really the full review??
http://whathifi.com/Review/Oppo-BDP-831/
Or is there a longer version available in the magazine or something and one needs to subscribe in order to read it? If so, will it be made available online in future? If not, I cannot comprehend how this review is deemed a "full review".
Also, I was wondering whether WHF rates a product on a half-point basis. If so, in my humble opinion, as someone who owns a multiregion BDP-83, I think this product deserves at least 4.5 stars.
PS. I have registered to the forum just to obtain some answers to my above questions, and hence my post count.
Alec
Well-known member
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