cables & blocks confusion

[professorhat]

Indeed, understood. And with no offence to yourself, I'm sure you can understand that just because you can't see how something can be possible, doesn't mean therefore that it is not possible.

Many great minds in the past have said something to be impossible and, over the course of time have been proven to be wrong...

 

[Anonymous]

[quote user="professorhat"]I'm sure you can understand that just because you can't see how something can be possible, doesn't mean therefore that it is not possible.[/quote]

While I would never be so arrogant to claim to know everything I feel I can speak fairly confidently about this particular subject.

Regards Ed

 

[Andrew Everard]

More laps than NASCAR, this one...

 

[Clare Newsome]

[quote user="Eddy Current"]
[quote user="professorhat"]I'm sure you can understand that just because you can't see how something can be possible, doesn't mean therefore that it is not possible.[/quote]

While I would never be so arrogant to claim to know everything I feel I can speak fairly confidently about this particular subject.

Regards Ed

[/quote]

I'm sure these technology experts felt the same:

"Computers in the future may weigh no more than 1.5
tons."

- Popular Mechanics, 1949

"I think there is a world market for maybe five
computers."

- Thomas Watson, chairman of IBM, 1943
"But what...is it good for?"

- Engineer at the Advanced Computing Systems Division of IBM,
1968, commenting on the microchip

"There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their
home."

- Ken Olson, president, chairman and founder of DEC

 

[timwileman]

ok once more.....if the improvement in sound is a 'placebo effect' that means the effect is true and real.............but unexplaned by science............thats what it means, your terminology is badly wrong as your defeating your own argument.......there is another term but i cant remember what it is for the effect that if something is expensive then its good....is that what you mean???

oh and by the way i have yet to be covinced either way on the mains cable ''discussion'' and at the mo i just have the freebie cables 🙂

 

[professorhat]

Great examples Clare - wish I could think of these things during such a discussion! To be honest, I just re-read my post and was more concerned on getting the English correct... I have just corrected it to be "proven" instead of "proved" - I think that's right, but these things always bug me!

[quote user="timwileman"]oh and by the way i have yet to be covinced either way on the mains cable ''discussion'' and at the mo i just have the freebie cables 🙂[/quote]

Me too funnily enough - I've never actually tested an upgraded mains cable for myself. What I just can't stand to see though is people instantly dismiss any claims someone else has made of an improvement, when they have no shred of evidence as to why they should be dismissed. After all, I've seen and heard the improvements better HDMI cables and Scart leads and optical leads and coaxial leads and RCA phono leads etc. etc. make for myself, so don't need any further evidence for this. My guess is, mains cables are most likely the same.

 

[Anonymous]

[quote user="Eddy Current"]
[quote user="JAXON5"]This 'may as well use a coathanger stuff' is really childish and ignorant. If thats what you believe then i suggest you do it..

hehe that felt GOOD (ps im a really non confrontational guy and if i offended anyone i,m probably sorry ![/quote]

It's hard to be offended when you have no idea what someone's on about.

[/quote]

Oh i wouldn't be so hard on yourself. If the pace gets too fast then we can all slow down ;-)

 

[Anonymous]

[quote user="JAXON5"][quote user="Eddy Current"]

[quote user="JAXON5"]This 'may as well use a coathanger stuff' is really childish and ignorant. If thats what you believe then i suggest you do it..

hehe that felt GOOD (ps im a really non confrontational guy and if i offended anyone i,m probably sorry ![/quote]

It's hard to be offended when you have no idea what someone's on about.

[/quote]

Oh i wouldn't be so hard on yourself. If the pace gets too fast then we can all slow down ;-)[/quote]
Thanks.

Have you spoken to anyone about your coathanger fixation?

 

[Anonymous]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2006/jan/07/badscience.uknews

 

[Andrew Everard]

[quote user="Eddy Current"]http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2006/jan/07/badscience.uknews[/quote]

Your point being?

 

[timwileman]

[quote user="Eddy Current"]http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2006/jan/07/badscience.uknews[/quote] i just get a failed link message ie ''We haven't been able to serve the page you asked for. ''

 

[a91gti]

Its an article about Russ Andrews powercords, I think EC is a staffer. Needless to say, its the same stuff EC always comes up with.

 

[timwileman]

[quote user="timwileman"][quote user="Eddy Current"]http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2006/jan/07/badscience.uknews[/quote]
oh i found one slagging off the pharma industry and i thought he was having a pop at what i do...................oops!

i just get a failed link message ie ''We haven't been able to serve the page you asked for. ''
[/quote] found the artical........would take an age to reply to that load of ill informed half truths.......all i can say is that i sleep well at night and feel proud of what i do as i know, i really know that what i do makes a difference in peoples lives, i may be a small cog in a big company (well not that small actually) but i am content...........i looked at the wrong article

 

[Anonymous]

[quote user="timwileman"]would take an age to reply to that load of ill informed half truths[/quote]

Try.

Please do not reproduce copyright material unless you have permission to do so. - Mods

 

[timwileman]

as i staed in my post when edited i found an article having a pop at the pharma industry in the EU in particular, not the one you have copied? would you like me to respond to the one on the pharma industry as that the one i know all about not the one about russ andrews

 

[Anonymous]

[quote user="timwileman"]as i staed in my post when edited i found an article having a pop at the pharma industry in the EU in particular, not the one you have copied? would you like me to respond to the one on the pharma industry as that the one i know all about not the one about russ andrews[/quote]

I think it may be considered to be a bit off topic.

Anyone else care to comment?

 

[John Duncan]

That's just somebody else saying "it can't be so", though he admittedly has the grace not to subsequently conclude "therefore it isn't".

 

[timwileman]

[quote user="Eddy Current"]
[quote user="timwileman"]as i staed in my post when edited i found an article having a pop at the pharma industry in the EU in particular, not the one you have copied? would you like me to respond to the one on the pharma industry as that the one i know all about not the one about russ andrews[/quote]

I think it may be considered to be a bit off topic.

Anyone else care to comment?
[/quote]yep it was but i shall repeat............the link you provided didnt work so after a little searching i found a different article which i assumed you ment to show me ............because i was using the pharma industry to make a point about the placebo effect.............it was my error i got the wrong webpage which i did point out ,,, twice...well 3 times now.........would you like me to put another post out saying the same thing?

 

[John Duncan]

Works for me

 

[timwileman]

[quote user="JohnDuncan"]Works for me[/quote] ahh well i had to cut and pasate the url into my browser..........and IT was migrating us all from one server to another so hey ho must be their fault.......bet they were using cheap power cables for the new servers 🙂 ha ha

 

[Anonymous]

[quote user="JohnDuncan"]That's just somebody else saying "it can't be so", though he admittedly has the grace not to subsequently conclude "therefore it isn't".

[/quote]
I think the mains lead and conditioner thing was a logical next step, from a marketing viewpoint, after high end interconnects and speaker cables made such big profits. There's a lot of gullible people out there, some are even working for magazines.

 

[Anonymous]

E.C. It works like this.

All cats have 4 legs, fur and a tail. My dog has 4 legs, fur and a tail therefore my dog must be a cat. Upgrading speaker cable from "bell wire" to something more substantial can make a difference. A mains lead is a cable so upgrading.......

This same "cat and dog" logic gets applied to all cables on this forum, even HDMI where the claims mean that the cable is capable of selectively altering the live bitstream data affecting just the chroma or luminence information for example. I'm sure that these exotic mains cables will catch on and it is only a matter of time before people realise the benefits of using them on other equipment. Much purer and more natural light from a table lamp, reduced defrost times on a micro wave oven, whiter whites from the washing machine etc....

 

[Clare Newsome]

[quote user="Eddy Current"]There's a lot of gullible people out there, some are even working for magazines.

[/quote]

And a lot of sceptics potentially missing out on a better experience because they're too stubborn to try something new.

 

[timwileman]

eddy (and others!)

as far as i am concerned i have been given no proof either way by anyone, so name calling is not fair, its a belief or point of view and is un proven. please RESPECT other peoples point of view as you would wish yours to be...... as stated before i am not sure either way myself, but i cannot see that a shielded mains lead would make a diff to the sounds heard as far as the main power itself goes...........but i can get my head round if that same shielding prevents the mains lead effecting other components/leads close by then that would make a difference...........but hey that is just MY OWN opinion and is not proven to me.....and i cannot prove it either!EDIT: i could be wrong of course, but generally that does not happen 🙂

 

[Anonymous]

[quote user="Clare Newsome"]And a lot of sceptics potentially missing out on a better experience because they're too stubborn to try something new.

[/quote]

I know. Some won't try subwoofers, some won't upgrade their speaker cables, some won't listen to any different music, some won't listen to vinyl, etc etc. Still at least now you can be 100% certain that you're not missing out on any improvements if you don't change your mains leads for a pricier juju bead version. Because that's just a bit too silly.