Power Cords - Yes, Yes I know…. Some Advice please!

[duaplex]

I have run blind A/B tests on this and I can tell you from my experience that I heard no difference and each time I guessed incorrectly as to which cable was connected. However go and try for yourself and see what you think, this is the only way you will put your mind at ease.

 

[hifikrazy]

The so called experts are technically clueless.

Same old God complex I see

To be fair to TrevC, the journalists on the magazine associated with this forum have admitted that they are technically clueless, and make no use of test equipment or technical parameters (see the blog 'The great cable debate - crossed wires') . It is open to question whether they hold themselves out as 'so called experts' though.

I do agree with you on this point, but being technically clueless doesn't hinder one's ability to listen.

 

[hifikrazy]

The so called experts are technically clueless.

Same old God complex I see

Hardly. I exist!

Sad, but true...

 

[hifikrazy]

Edited by mods. Please don't insult other members.[/b]

:rofl:

 

[TrevC]

The so called experts are technically clueless.

Same old God complex I see

To be fair to TrevC, the journalists on the magazine associated with this forum have admitted that they are technically clueless, and make no use of test equipment or technical parameters (see the blog 'The great cable debate - crossed wires') . It is open to question whether they hold themselves out as 'so called experts' though.

I do agree with you on this point, but being technically clueless doesn't hinder one's ability to listen.

True, but nonsense reviews about mains leads tend to undermine credibilty.

 

[spiny norman]

True, but nonsense reviews about mains leads tend to undermine credibilty.

As does publishing pieces saying 'I'm technically clueless and proud of it: I know there's no logic to what I am hearing/seeing, but I am insufficiently interested to wonder why/want to find out'

 

[TrevC]

True, but nonsense reviews about mains leads tend to undermine credibilty.

As does publishing pieces saying 'I'm technically clueless and proud of it: I know there's no logic to what I am hearing/seeing, but I am insufficiently interested to wonder why/want to find out'

Is that your position?

 

[Covenanter]

True, but nonsense reviews about mains leads tend to undermine credibilty.

As does publishing pieces saying 'I'm technically clueless and proud of it: I know there's no logic to what I am hearing/seeing, but I am insufficiently interested to wonder why/want to find out'

It's "Top Gear Syndrome". Clarkson revels in his technical ignorance and talks in similar terms about cars as hifi mags talk about hifi.

Chris

 

[spiny norman]

Is that your position?

So you are so entrenched in your opinion that you even challenge people who are agreeing with you?

 

[chebby]

True, but nonsense reviews about mains leads tend to undermine credibilty.

As does publishing pieces saying 'I'm technically clueless and proud of it: I know there's no logic to what I am hearing/seeing, but I am insufficiently interested to wonder why/want to find out'

It's "Top Gear Syndrome". Clarkson revels in his technical ignorance and talks in similar terms about cars as hifi mags talk about hifi.

Chris

No parallel exists any more.

Top Gear morphed into the light entertainment replacement for 'Last of The Summer Wine'. (For the Baby Boomer generation.) Three ageing men getting up to silly adventures and having a licence to be politically incorrect.

It ceased to be a consumer programme many years ago. Clarkson's technical ignorance is vital for the programme to work. Even if he wasn't ignorant he'd need to pretend to be.

I am not a huge fan, but the mere fact it upsets my older brother (because it's no longer a 'serious' consumer programme) pleases me.

And the fact that it's worldwide revenue for the BBC is immense and helps pay for stuff I like.

 

[spiny norman]

No parallel exists any more.

<SNIP>

It ceased to be a consumer programme many years ago.

I think you've just argued with yourself.

 

[chebby]

No parallel exists any more.

<SNIP>

It ceased to be a consumer programme many years ago.

I think you've just argued with yourself.

A parallel might once have existed (consumer magazine and consumer programme) but not for many years.

Top-Gear is now simply entertainment whereas What Hifi? is still a consumer magazine.

I don't see where i've argued with myself.

 

[TrevC]

Is that your position?

So you are so entrenched in your opinion that you even challenge people who are agreeing with you?

I couldn't really work out what you were saying. Sorry.

 

[ErikM]

It's not just the power it's having your sensitive audio gear isolated from the other electrical items in the house that are dumping noise into the circuit. But what do I care if you don't think it matters.. I know my sysem sounds better on dedicated circuits, I've listened to it before and after and it wan't subtle...

Good power is the foundation of a great system. If you haven't installed dedicated AC lines then that's the first step. Dedicated lines means one Circuit breaker>Wire>Wall Outlet, nothing else on the circuit.. Not sure if that's the right terminology for you fellows.. In my main system I have 2 dedicated lines: 20amp breaker 10gauge romex to Oyaide R1 outlets..

Nonsense on stilts. As long as 240 volts is delivered your stuff won't care how or perform any differently. You've wasted your money.

 

[TrevC]

It's not just the power it's having your sensitive audio gear isolated from the other electrical items in the house that are dumping noise into the circuit. But what do I care if you don't think it matters.. I know my sysem sounds better on dedicated circuits, I've listened to it before and after and it wan't subtle...

Everything in your house, including your hifi, is still connected together at the distribution box. You haven't really isolated anything just by adding a separate spur. Were you getting interference from a fridge or something?

 

[Covenanter]

It's not just the power it's having your sensitive audio gear isolated from the other electrical items in the house that are dumping noise into the circuit. But what do I care if you don't think it matters.. I know my sysem sounds better on dedicated circuits, I've listened to it before and after and it wan't subtle...

Good power is the foundation of a great system. If you haven't installed dedicated AC lines then that's the first step. Dedicated lines means one Circuit breaker>Wire>Wall Outlet, nothing else on the circuit.. Not sure if that's the right terminology for you fellows.. In my main system I have 2 dedicated lines: 20amp breaker 10gauge romex to Oyaide R1 outlets..

Nonsense on stilts. As long as 240 volts is delivered your stuff won't care how or perform any differently. You've wasted your money.

You would get some isolation from noise like this but noise can travel to your distribution box and down your separate supplies to your kit so it isn't a 100% solution. A noise filter just before your kit would be just as effective, indeed more effective, and would cost a fraction of what you must have spent.

However I don't doubt that you can hear a difference. That's the difficulty we all have, separating real differences from perceived differences. From where I sit I think what you are hearing arises from your expectations but hey if you hear it and are happy then I don't really mind.

Chris

 

[ErikM]

I do use powerline conditioning....Shunyata Talos.. Again the dedicated lines are as much for current delivery as isolation.. and they are on a sperate sub-panel..

And just to P'off the flat earther's even more I use all Shunyata Power Cords.. the really expensive ones! :dance:

 

[Covenanter]

I do use powerline conditioning....Shunyata Talos.. Again the dedicated lines are as much for current delivery as isolation.. and they are on a sperate sub-panel..

And just to P'off the flat earther's even more I use all Shunyata Power Cords.. the really expensive ones! :dance:

I doubt many will be p'd off. Just amazed that anybody could think what you have spent is sensible.

Chris

 

[pauln]

I do use powerline conditioning....Shunyata Talos.. Again the dedicated lines are as much for current delivery as isolation.. and they are on a sperate sub-panel..

And just to P'off the flat earther's even more I use all Shunyata Power Cords.. the really expensive ones! :dance:

Well bully for you.

 

[andyjm]

I do use powerline conditioning....Shunyata Talos.. Again the dedicated lines are as much for current delivery as isolation.. and they are on a sperate sub-panel..

Erik,

I take it you are in the US with 110V distribution? In the UK our ring mains are 32A 240V, and power delivery from a standard outlet is more than adequate for all hifi needs.

I have lived both in the US and in the UK. Where I lived in the US the mains supply was of low quality with poor voltage regulation. It may make sense to have mains filtering / conditioning in such an enviroment. In all but exceptional circumstances in the UK it is a waste of time and money.

 

[TrevC]

I do use powerline conditioning....Shunyata Talos.. Again the dedicated lines are as much for current delivery as isolation.. and they are on a sperate sub-panel..

And just to P'off the flat earther's even more I use all Shunyata Power Cords.. the really expensive ones! :dance:

You are the flat earther champ.

 

[fr0g]

I do use powerline conditioning....Shunyata Talos.. Again the dedicated lines are as much for current delivery as isolation.. and they are on a sperate sub-panel..

And just to P'off the flat earther's even more I use all Shunyata Power Cords.. the really expensive ones! :dance:

You are the flat earther champ.

This.

And humans have been around for many tens of thousands of years. And the sun is at the centre of the solar system, which in turn is near the edge of our galaxy of trillions of stars.Itself one of many billions of known Galaxies.

.

 

[the record spot]

I do use powerline conditioning....Shunyata Talos.. Again the dedicated lines are as much for current delivery as isolation.. and they are on a sperate sub-panel..

And just to P'off the flat earther's even more I use all Shunyata Power Cords.. the really expensive ones! :dance:

You might be a regular at the Hoffman forum. They'll think more of that there. Our electricty supply isn't a big deal over here. Oh, and Blue Jeans Cable would sort you out nicely. Shunyata are a big name and they wax lyrical on said Hoffman forum about them, so again, you'll be among friends.

But EDITED, I can sit here, have the stereo on, all the lights blazing, the fridge on, the washing machine going, the phone charging, my telly on and the iron plugged in and it doesn't make diddly squat difference to the times when it's daylight, and just the amp and one of the CD players on. Not a jot of a difference.

 

[TrevC]

I do use powerline conditioning....Shunyata Talos.. Again the dedicated lines are as much for current delivery as isolation.. and they are on a sperate sub-panel..

Erik,

I take it you are in the US with 110V distribution? In the UK our ring mains are 32A 240V, and power delivery from a standard outlet is more than adequate for all hifi needs.

I have lived both in the US and in the UK. Where I lived in the US the mains supply was of low quality with poor voltage regulation. It may make sense to have mains filtering / conditioning in such an enviroment. In all but exceptional circumstances in the UK it is a waste of time and money.

US power is crud. Ridiculously low voltage as well. Maximum wattage from a socket only 1600.

 

[ErikM]

Yes in the US, and yes our power is crap.. 120volts, and typically 15amps at the wall..