What cables?

[TrevC]

It is scientific "fact" that different lengths/gauges of cable can distort a signal causing loudspeakers to produce a "different" sound.

Really? Could you point me in the right direction please?

He made that up. If you use thin stuff, the ubiquitous bell wire for example, you will be able to hear what a valve amp will sound like on your speakers. The distortion will remain low but you will get the glorious valve sound that messes with the frequency response in line with the impedance curve of your speakers.

 

[Freddy58]

It seems sensible to me to use cables that offer up the least possible resistance (within reason), but I can't get over the fact that they use that piddly wire inside speakers...

 

[Gazzip]

It seems sensible to me to use cables that offer up the least possible resistance (within reason), but I can't get over the fact that they use that piddly wire inside speakers...

Small distance + piddly wire = Low resistance

 

[Freddy58]

It seems sensible to me to use cables that offer up the least possible resistance (within reason), but I can't get over the fact that they use that piddly wire inside speakers...

Small distance + piddly wire = Low resistance

Don't you though find it curious that speaker manufacturers choose to put piddly cables in their boxes?

 

[Gazzip]

It seems sensible to me to use cables that offer up the least possible resistance (within reason), but I can't get over the fact that they use that piddly wire inside speakers...

Small distance + piddly wire = Low resistance

Don't you though find it curious that speaker manufacturers choose to put piddly cables in their boxes?

Not really because their design assumes that some numpty is not supplying their loudspeakers with bell wire. If the owner has used correctly sized and gauged cables then the 15cm of piddly wire inside the speaker will not make any real resistive difference. Likewise if the owner has used 20m of bell wire to feed their speakers then 15cm of heavy gauged wire inside the speaker isn't going to fix the problem.

 

[Vladimir]

It seems sensible to me to use cables that offer up the least possible resistance (within reason), but I can't get over the fact that they use that piddly wire inside speakers...

Small distance + piddly wire = Low resistance

Don't you though find it curious that speaker manufacturers choose to put piddly cables in their boxes?

1) You can't solder 4mm copper litz cable to a standard PCB or direct point to point wiring. Even when crimped and just plugged in 4mm is huge and puts a strain to fragile posts and may damaged them during shipping.

2) The copper wire in the voice coil is thinner and much much longer. How many meters of paper thin copper traces run inside a CDP, amp and crossover. The inside wiring between drivers and crossover is just a drop in the ocean.

 

[plastic penguin]

Is this one of the most civilised cable threads of all time? Hope it stays that way.

 

[Andrewjvt]

Is this one of the most civilised cable threads of all time? Hope it stays that way.

The people are busy trying to prove cheap amps have lower distortion than expensive ones.

 

[plastic penguin]

Is this one of the most civilised cable threads of all time? Hope it stays that way.

The people are busy trying to prove cheap amps have lower distortion than expensive ones.

That's 'yes' then....

 

[Gazzip]

Is this one of the most civilised cable threads of all time? Hope it stays that way.

The people are busy trying to prove cheap amps have lower distortion than expensive ones.

That's 'yes' then....

Give it time. It's early and Trev's sedation will not have worn off yet.

 

[plastic penguin]

Is this one of the most civilised cable threads of all time? Hope it stays that way.

Lol.......

I'll say this again.

I guarantee of I snuk into your homes and swapped out your cables without your knowledge......

(pause for dramatic affect.........)

You would all notice. Some more than others - you'd not be able to put your finger on it.....but you'd know something's changed.....

No chance. I've been living here 13 years and I still have trouble finding it. We ordered a takeaway Pizza last night and the driver had to phone us and ask for directions.

Next...

 

[Thompsonuxb]

Is this one of the most civilised cable threads of all time? Hope it stays that way.

Lol.......

I'll say this again.

I guarantee if I snuk into your homes and swapped out your cables without your knowledge......

(pause for dramatic affect.........)

You would all notice. Some more than others - you'd not be able to put your finger on it.....but you'd know something's changed.....

 

[abacus]

Is this one of the most civilised cable threads of all time? Hope it stays that way.

Not even close.

 

[ID.]

Is this one of the most civilised cable threads of all time? Hope it stays that way.

Lol.......

I'll say this again.

I guarantee if I snuk into your homes and swapped out your cables without your knowledge......

(pause for dramatic affect.........)

You would all notice. Some more than others - you'd not be able to put your finger on it.....but you'd know something's changed.....

yep. The missing bright green XLR cables would be a dead giveaway. They practically glow in the dark, so they're pretty hard to miss.

 

[Thompsonuxb]

Is this one of the most civilised cable threads of all time? Hope it stays that way.

Lol.......

I'll say this again.

I guarantee if I snuk into your homes and swapped out your cables without your knowledge......

(pause for dramatic affect.........)

You would all notice. Some more than others - you'd not be able to put your finger on it.....but you'd know something's changed.....

?

yep. The missing bright green XLR cables would be a dead giveaway. They practically glow in the dark, so they're pretty hard to miss. 

No actually......

Take it the cables are not visible, so there'd be no expectation bias or any of that psycho malarkey - you'd all notice the difference......

 

[abacus]

Is this one of the most civilised cable threads of all time? Hope it stays that way.

Lol.......

I'll say this again.

I guarantee if I snuk into your homes and swapped out your cables without your knowledge......

(pause for dramatic affect.........)

You would all notice. Some more than others - you'd not be able to put your finger on it.....but you'd know something's changed.....

yep. The missing bright green XLR cables would be a dead giveaway. They practically glow in the dark, so they're pretty hard to miss.

No actually......

Take it the cables are not visible, so there'd be no expectation bias or any of that psycho malarkey - you'd all notice the difference......

NO, You only think you would

 

[RobinKidderminster]

Had I spent time and money on new cables I would certainly like to be able to "put my finger on it".

 

[chebby]

No chance. I've been living here 13 years and I still have trouble finding it. We ordered a takeaway Pizza last night and the driver had to phone us and ask for directions.

Pizza delivery drivers would need directions for the flat above the Pizza shop.

 

[Thompsonuxb]

Is this one of the most civilised cable threads of all time? Hope it stays that way.

Lol.......

I'll say this again.

I guarantee if I snuk into your homes and swapped out your cables without your knowledge......

(pause for dramatic affect.........)

You would all notice. Some more than others - you'd not be able to put your finger on it.....but you'd know something's changed.....

?

yep. The missing bright green XLR cables would be a dead giveaway. They practically glow in the dark, so they're pretty hard to miss.?

No actually......

Take it the cables are not visible, so there'd be no expectation bias or any of that psycho malarkey - you'd all notice the difference......

NO, You only think you would

Sadly there is no real way to prove it but I'd put money on it.........

 

[Freddy58]

Been giving this a bit of thought. If there are differences between cables, then surely there would be audible (even if we can't hear them) differences that could be measured by way of some electronic gizmo hooked up to a mic?

Sorry PP, don't mean to hi-Jack your thread.

 

[Gazzip]

Been giving this a bit of thought. If there are differences between cables, then surely there would be audible (even if we can't hear them) differences that could be measured by way of some electronic gizmo hooked up to a mic?

Sorry PP, don't mean to hi-Jack your thread.

I have often pondered this one myself and wondered if measurements have ever been taken like this in an anechoic chamber. Anybody know?

 

[TrevC]

Been giving this a bit of thought. If there are differences between cables, then surely there would be audible (even if we can't hear them) differences that could be measured by way of some electronic gizmo hooked up to a mic?

Sorry PP, don't mean to hi-Jack your thread.

I have often pondered this one myself and wondered if measurements have ever been taken like this in an anechoic chamber. Anybody know?

Nobody has because it's pointless?

 

[Freddy58]

Been giving this a bit of thought. If there are differences between cables, then surely there would be audible (even if we can't hear them) differences that could be measured by way of some electronic gizmo hooked up to a mic?

Sorry PP, don't mean to hi-Jack your thread.

I have often pondered this one myself and wondered if measurements have ever been taken like this in an anechoic chamber. Anybody know?

Because it's pointless?

You're having a laugh aren't you? It would prove one way or another whether or not there are differences.

 

[TrevC]

Been giving this a bit of thought. If there are differences between cables, then surely there would be audible (even if we can't hear them) differences that could be measured by way of some electronic gizmo hooked up to a mic?

Sorry PP, don't mean to hi-Jack your thread.

I have often pondered this one myself and wondered if measurements have ever been taken like this in an anechoic chamber. Anybody know?

Because it's pointless?

You're having a laugh aren't you? It would prove one way or another that there are differences.

You don't need a mic and an anechoic chamber, you can just compare the signal at the end of the cables. A null test, signal wire to signal wire.

 

[Freddy58]

Been giving this a bit of thought. If there are differences between cables, then surely there would be audible (even if we can't hear them) differences that could be measured by way of some electronic gizmo hooked up to a mic?

Sorry PP, don't mean to hi-Jack your thread.

I have often pondered this one myself and wondered if measurements have ever been taken like this in an anechoic chamber. Anybody know?

Because it's pointless?

You're having a laugh aren't you? It would prove one way or another that there are differences.

You don't need a mic and an anechoic chamber, you can just compare the signal at the end of the cables. A null test, signal wire to signal wire.

Ok, so what have your null tests revealed?