Well, digital cables are a different matter, and ime are mostly less sensitive to changes in construction. Of course, if your kit is picking up noise, or unwittingly delivering it to your DAC, then a better digital cable can make a surprising difference.For what it's worth... my A/B comparison:
I purchased 2 Audioquest .75M USB C to USB B cables, a Forest and a Cinnamon ($70 and $90 respectively).
I noticed no sound quality difference or improvement over the $10 Ugreen 6ft cable that I was using and so I returned the AQ cables.
(MacBook USB to Yamaha R-N800 USB, various hi res streaming services and some hi res FLAC's on my drive).
I guess my gear and ears are not worthy and too 'budget'?
I've never seen anyone actually say that - plenty advise against using anything so thin.....on the other side of the coin those who believe that a strand of bell wire will be just fine as anything else is a waste of money
The senses of biological life forms suck and are easily fooled into hearing, seeing, feeling etc. things that are not there, so your claims are meaningless.Like most cable debates this is likely doomed to polarising animosity....
My personal view is a cable should be well constructed and appropriate to the user's available budget. Speakers and amplifiers have way more effect on a system's performance.
Having said that....I personally have often heard differences between cables. They do not ADD anything but a bad cable can certainly take away information.
To the scientific 'objectivists' I would say...
Science does not even begin to understand how human hearing works. The sophistication of the human brain (because this is what is doing the 'hearing'...not the ears!) is a miracle.
Our ability to detect differences in timing of a few MILLIONTHS of a second and the importance of transient timing to perceive tone and timbre simply cannot be boiled down to a couple of electrical characteristics/measurements in a wire.
If you hear a long term difference between cables you are not imagining it.....ignore the 'just fooling yourself comments' by the closed minds brigade... this is a hobby to be enjoyed on many levels not a basis for humiliating other audiophiles.
Blind testing doesn't work, it requires the listener to make a random decision. It's far better to rely on reviews, preconceived ideas, and what the bloke in the shop told you. 😉On another forum a poster said that a secondhand cable he bought benefitted from a period of 'burn-in'.
Another was praising his cables.
I asked if he could blindly tell cables apart....he quickly dismissed the idea of blind testing (as they often do), telling me that I need to be patient (to appreciate the benefits of a cable change).
Make what you will of the above.
(I'll keep what I make of it to myself 🙂).
The whole issue with Hifi or many other things is 'budget', if you have money more often than not you'll migrate to gear that is more expensive.I've never seen anyone actually say that - plenty advise against using anything so thin.
Although, let's all be honest here, who'd bet significant money on being able to reliably tell the difference between it and whatever cable they're using.
If we couldn't happily take that challenge - why would we be so quick to dismiss what should be such an easy challenge?
Funny thing is though, in the unlikely event that bellwire was found to actually sound better....snobs wouldn't dream of using it....too cheap....and therein lies the real problem with cable debates.
Not unless the UGreens are damaged and not functioning out of one channel.I've read what I can here and elsewhere (with the usual diverse opinions), about the benefits of upgrading interconnects.
I am currently using UGreen interconnects which look reasonable quality, and the plugs fit well.I have a WiiM Pro Plus, a Denon 600ne amp, Marantz 41 CDP and Triangle Br03 speakers. I am happy with the sound but curious- how much would I have to spend on RCA interconnects to notice any difference with my gear, if at all ?
I'm guessing you will say my present interconnects are fine at my level.
I totally get what you've said there and fully understand why people would think that a higher cable spend would seem appropriate.However if I was buying a setup comprising of a £5k turntable, £4k CD/Streamer/DAC, £4k Amp and £4k speakers making £17k in total where would I pitch my cable purchase top, middle or bottom? I expect most people would go top, is that because they can hear the difference; no of course not, its because it fits in with the system they have purchased, it provides a balance.
I totally get what you've said there and fully understand why people would think that a higher cable spend would seem appropriate.
But the motive - 'to provide balance'.
If, like you, those people are honest enough to admit that an improvement in sound is unlikely.....then they are balancing purely on price.
And that's what encourages those ridiculous extremes in pricing.
When you look at a range of cables it's amazing how, with each jump in pricing you're promised greater 'insight' etc.
People read that, they believe it,they preach it on forums (even before buying it).
And yet, they sort of know that they're getting no benefit other than to provide that balance in pricing.
Let's not judge them by calling them snobs or stupid but....
We agree that paying more (than necessary) will most likely bring no sonic benefit.
Let's say a person spent considerably more than necessary, he bought a cable based solely on price. How would you describe that person? (There must be a description 🤔).
An interconnect is the physical linking of two components regardless of whether it's digital or analog.Well, digital cables are a different matter, and ime are mostly less sensitive to changes in construction. Of course, if your kit is picking up noise, or unwittingly delivering it to your DAC, then a better digital cable can make a surprising difference.
But back to interconnects…!
You should care. Its misleading to say a £50 cable will improve your audio.I just think that too much is made about how much people spend on boxes and the cabling connecting the boxes.
At the end of the day as long as the buyer is happy with their purchase I really don't care if they bought £50, £500 or £5000 interconnects or speaker cables. All I would advise is to do so in proportion to main system outlay.
A large number of people buying hifi setups will end up with what the dealer recommends or what was connected when they demo'd the system - this could well be the same, simply because if they like the sound they heard then why change something.
If we don't believe that there is a benefit in better cabling then is there a benefit in upgrading any part of a hifi system, for example is there a benefit in upgrading my Audiolab 6000CDT to the 7000 or even the 9000, will I hear an improvement in sound if I did?
Upgrades in our systems are not often going to give us a wow moment when we plug in that new bit we have bought. In addition we are rarely in a position to compare our systems from yesterday to our system today so we have to believe that spending £200 on a pair of swanky RCA inter-connects to replace our £25 basic set is giving us an improvement.
So for me if I want to splash a bit of cash on my HiFI and think to myself that those cables have been on there a while I'll get some new ones give the old system a bit of a treat what's wrong with that, does there have to be a defined improvement in SQ or can a perceived one suffice.
The items you mention are active components, cables are not, hence the comparison between the 2 does not apply.I just think that too much is made about how much people spend on boxes and the cabling connecting the boxes.
At the end of the day as long as the buyer is happy with their purchase I really don't care if they bought £50, £500 or £5000 interconnects or speaker cables. All I would advise is to do so in proportion to main system outlay.
A large number of people buying hifi setups will end up with what the dealer recommends or what was connected when they demo'd the system - this could well be the same, simply because if they like the sound they heard then why change something.
If we don't believe that there is a benefit in better cabling then is there a benefit in upgrading any part of a hifi system, for example is there a benefit in upgrading my Audiolab 6000CDT to the 7000 or even the 9000, will I hear an improvement in sound if I did?
Upgrades in our systems are not often going to give us a wow moment when we plug in that new bit we have bought. In addition we are rarely in a position to compare our systems from yesterday to our system today so we have to believe that spending £200 on a pair of swanky RCA inter-connects to replace our £25 basic set is giving us an improvement.
So for me if I want to splash a bit of cash on my HiFI and think to myself that those cables have been on there a while I'll get some new ones give the old system a bit of a treat what's wrong with that, does there have to be a defined improvement in SQ or can a perceived one suffice.
Well, fair enough if that how you interpret it, but to me the original question and the replies before yours were all about analogue cables where electrical properties have known consequences. Digital transmission isn’t comparable imho.An interconnect is the physical linking of two components regardless of whether it's digital or analog.
You may be correct, but try telling that to Audioquest (and other manufacturers of high end 'digital' connects)!Well, fair enough if that how you interpret it, but to me the original question and the replies before yours were all about analogue cables where electrical properties have known consequences. Digital transmission isn’t comparable imho.
Of course it does. Have you not heard of Quicksilver?You may be correct, but try telling that to Audioquest (and other manufacturers of high end 'digital' connects)!
Apparently their £800 'Solid 100% Perfect-Surface Silver' USB cable transmits 0's and 1's better than their £50 'Solid Long-Grain Copper' cable!
👍 Yes, that's not one of those outrageously excessive prices.You probably can't go wrong with 'The Worlds Best Cables'. After all, they are made in Japan and use Mogami cable. £30 on Amazon.
Where do I say that a £50 cable will improve sound?You should care. Its misleading to say a £50 cable will improve your audio.
Its not a treat. Your falling for a scam, buddy. Daylight robbery.