Philips 9664 problem!

[Anonymous]

Thank you Andy. I currently have my connected via a Yamaha YSP-600 using two cables;

From Sky HD to Yamaha: That HDMI cable

From Yamaha to 9664: Van Den Hull Flat.

Yes and interesting combination, but both good cables in their own right. As you've not mentioned anything about the motion artefacts, then I presume that you have not come across this before ... or in fact this sort of artefacting is common on all LCDs of this size and it's not something to overly concern myself with.

Assuming it is the former, then do you think changing the HDMI cables to be the Chord Company Supershield will help, or not significantly enough to warrant up to £100 spend.

Thanks again in advance.

 

[Anonymous]

Hi Amardeem

In case you didn't get it even if you have Perfect motion switched of the 200 mhz is still on, yes it's greyed out but if you go to it you'll see it's still on.

Personally i haven't seen any artefacts except when i watched football focus and i had to switch the perfect motion off, i usually have it set to minimum. Incidentally see andy's post from earlier where he outlines the best settings for the tv. All sets are slightly different but those settings are pretty close to the best on my sky HD box, having said that on the freeview i had the settings a little brighter. Remember each source has it's own settings.

I've posted a few times as you can see on this tv and maybe you wouldn't expect me to recommend it considering i'm awaiting an exchange but i absolutely love the tv. It looks good and it plays good, i just hope my exchange unit gets rid of the slight dirty window effect.

 

[Anonymous]

greymack:I've posted a few times as you can see on this tv and maybe you wouldn't expect me to recommend it considering i'm awaiting an exchange but i absolutely love the tv. It looks good and it plays good, i just hope my exchange unit gets rid of the slight dirty window effect.

I'd agree that this TV is great. Whilst I have given up on getting a 'good' 9664 due to the dirty screen issue, I would contemplate this set further down the line next year when my extension on the house is finished as I'll be looking at placing another home cinema to that area. Hopefully the issues will all be resolved and the price will come down also...

 

[Anonymous]

By next year the tv will be half price and considered old news.

 

[Anonymous]

Getting my replacement 9664 on the 31st so i'll report back if dirty lens issue has been resolved.

 

[Anonymous]

Well received the replacement 9664 on Thursday and the dirty lens/window/watermark call it what you like is still visable and i'm not really sure what to do now.

One thing to note on this tv in the upper left and to a lesser extent the lower left there is excessive white like light bleed or is this called clouding I'm not sure, noticeable on very dark scenes.

Another weird thing on this set is i can see the picture changing, to try and explain a bit clearer. I was watching doctor who last night and in the space scenes the darkness would suddenly go darker. Now i have all those light sensors and dynamic contrast off but i do have dynamic backlight set to best pic as recommended by Andy could this be causing the sudden change in picture? I used the same settings on the last tv and never noticed this.

My own feelings are and putting aside the dirty lens problem i'm going to contact richer sounds as this tv seems to have more issues than the first.

I'd appreciate any advice/comments.

 

[aliEnRIK]

Cant say as ive ever tried one but id certainly be switching that 'dynamic backlight' function off

 

[fruityboy]

hiya greymack i had ordered the 9664 then after reading about the probs i didnt know what to do.i thought id give one a try but after all the probs i had with my sony lcd i didnt fancy goin through all the hassle again! i am very happy with my pioneer kuro so i thought id go down the plasma road again and today ordered the panasonic 42 g15 i hope your next set will be trouble free

 

[Anonymous]

I bought one of these TVs back in October based on the initial review and an hour or so watching Blu-Rays (Hellboy 2, There Will Be
Blood, Transformers and that Harry Potter 5 opening scene mentioned in the What Hi-Fi review) in the Oxford St John Lewis store. While initially impressive with the full-HD source, on getting it home I was distinctly unimpressed with
it's SD and DVD upscaling performance. A viewing of Revolutionary Road on DVD demonstrated that it was not possible
to obtain as watchable a picture as on my 4-year-old Toshiba 32WLT-58 LCD, despite constant settings adjustments. Fast-moving pans on TV, especially sport, were plagued by smearing and blocking of the pitch as a single mass of same-colour pixels.

Most problematically, after the initial 'wow-it's-almost-3D' feeling had worn off with the Blu-Ray image (Pioneer BDP-51FD, QED Performance HDMI, so should be no problems there), I found myself resorting to the Cinema pre-set (without most of the picture processing) to actually get a picture I could watch for more than 5 minutes without feeling that I was being shown an interpretation of the image, rather than the source image itself. The Apocalypto Blu-Ray suffered especially in this respect. I returned the TV to the shop after 3 weeks trying to come to terms with it, for a 15% hit on the refund.

My opinion of this TV is that it is a gimmick - a technical exercise that is actually stripping away what the director intended the film to look like in order to portray a 3D-like, initially impressive, image. Unfortunately, after extended exposure, I personally found this made films look like TV shows, or even theatre productions, cinematically. I finally came to a satisfactory description of the effect with a friend, after we both had a good examination of the Matrix Blu-Ray under different settings, that it most resembled a bunch of small people running around inside a fish tank. 3D-esque? Yes. Technically-impressive? Yep. Cinematographic? Nope. What it looked and felt like like in the cinema? Doubly-no. Just watch the scene in the agency break-in where they fly up on the severed elevator
cable. I'd advise not to buy one without an extensive demo with all types of material to be watched on it - I found it mostly less-watchable than my four-year-old set with most sources. (This is of course just my opinion. One that cost me £225 to form, however).

 

[Anonymous]

I have to admit Moebius i haven't had a problem with the SD picture but then my philips replaced an old sony crt so i didn't have another LCD to compare with but it looks fine to me.

It's quite scary when you read such damning comments from people especially as i paid an awful lot of money for it, the chap above who is buying the Panasonic G15 is nearly half the price of the philips and yet he feels he's getting a better set.

The issue remains however of the smearing/watermark/dirty window effect call it what you want when a large area of the screen is one colour. The WhatHIFI team insist they found no such issues when reviewing the tv yet as can be seen by the posts in this thread alone it seems to be a definite problem.

As i recall Andy contacted Philips who as i recall knew of no such problem and suggested switching to cinema mode to see if the problem still exists.....it does.

WhatHiFi i noticed started warning people of the sony clouding issues and knocking a star from their reviews, is it not time they reassessed the review given to their TV of the year? Even if it means getting hold of a 2nd set so they can compare.

As for myself well i can try another one from Richer Sounds or i think i can swap models as I'm within my 30 days, trouble is i have based my system round a 42" Philips...stand size and Philips blu-ray player already in place.

 

[Anonymous]

I've had my 9664 for 3 months or so now and I must say that it still sends a shiver down my spine on a daily basis, it's just that good. Maybe I've got a lucky set but I've certainly not experienced any of these 'watermark' style effects described above and the SD picture coming through the built in freeview is far in advance of anything I've seen on any other set. The only time the dynamic backlighting has been noticable is on FIFA 10 on the PS3 when it occaissionally jumps around.

 

[grifz]

i bought this 47" philips on tuesday. the issues with sd tv and hd or sport(football} is in my option within the setting and personal preference is weather the PERFECT NATURAL MOTION is on or off .please let me explain, PERFECT NATURAL MOTION is great for wild life documentarys and kids animated film all in HD format only.as for all sd tv sport and gaming and blu ray film turn this option off. For a quick way to try my theory in smart settings set to GAME then try sd tv, sport,and blu ray. Then in smart settings try vivid on a wild life program HD.. I hope these will help . This lcd is brilliant when watching content with the right setting. this is my first post so be gentle ha ha

 

[Anonymous]

No problem Grifz i'll be gentle....your wrong

If you look further back in this post you will see philips suggested switching the setting to cinema which has pretty much everything off and it makes no difference.

Personally i have tried every combination of setting and it makes not a jot of a difference, the real frustrating thing is some people seem to have no such issues while others have looked at many and every 9664 has the same issue.

Just finished watching the celtic rangers game in HD and the banding (the effect has a new name every time we discuss it) is always there. Football is almost always the easiest thing to notice it on as the predominant colour is green, when the camera pans left or right you will see what is like dirty stripe marks down the screen, stationary or close up it's fine, it's only on panning shots.

Now either there is a dodgy batch of these sets or it's there on all of them and some people just can't see it.

 

[grifz]

just watched some rugby in hd, when panned out and moving do you mean slight blurry green grass at top corner off pic near the score and team bars because i cannot see any lines in any form at all, I have replaced a panasonic pz4270b plasma which i thought was good at viewing football and sd tv, plasmas seem to be smoother but i changed to lcd for the more viberant and vivid colours which suits my movie and pic preference.the philips difference to me is superb and well worth the higher price of £1695 {philips 47pfl9664+ philips bdp7500 blu ray +5year - sound and vision} . Maybe a good plasma will be better suited for football as to me LCD have more brighter colours that stand out at a slight pixel cost.

 

[Anonymous]

Hey Griftz well done bud you have a good set there, unfortunately the batch i'm trying from richer sounds seems to be dud because and i freely admit this it's just a small proportion of the sets which have this fault.

 

[grifz]

good luck hope somone can resolve all issues

 

[Anonymous]

greymack

I am no lcd expert, but i've seen this "dirty lens/banding" on a few different lcd tvs.

I've had 2 sony kdl 40 z5500 tvs both of which I returned due to bad clouding. Before returning them, when watching sports i noticed the "dirty lens/banding."

At present I have a 42inch 9664 and this also has this effect. My parents 4 year old 37inch Panasonic LCD also displayed this effect and I've recently noticed it on a friends Samsung 40inch Series 6.

Not sure whether this is something that is present on all LCDs. From my experience it seems to be present on models from all the major tv manufacturers.

Would be interesting to known if the reviewers at what hifi have ever seen this on any tv they have reviewed, especially when watching panning shots on sports broadcasts?

 

[Anonymous]

greymack:Well received the replacement 9664 on Thursday and the dirty lens/window/watermark call it what you like is still visable and i'm not really sure what to do now.

I'm gutted for you mate as this is exactly how I felt after trying two of these sets. I am still awaiting my new V10 plasma as a replacement, so I still have the 9664 for the time being. Over the course of the weekend it has now started to make a strange buzzing noise which is highly irritating and I can also see slight backlight bleed along the top of the set when viewing in the dark. So much so that it projects onto the back wall.

I had some friends around during the Christmas break and 4 out of 6 people could see the dirty screen issues. It does seem to be that you either see or you don't...

I went to Seven Oaks yesterday and saw their demonstration 9664 and it too had the dirty screen. Through ownership or in a high street store (Tec 7, Seven Oaks, ETS and Richer Sounds) I have now seen a total of six 9664's that exhibit this effect. Surely that eliminates a batch fault??

I really hope you get this sorted Greymack, for your own sanity. However, I was simply not prepared to go through various stores attempting to find a half decent 9664. Maybe the 9704 will be an improvment??

I will STILL miss the amblight....

 

[Anonymous]

Thanks for that Halmunt i was wondering how you got on with your V10.

As i've said before i have no other issues with the tv i think it's great (although the 2nd one does have some light bleed top left)

I have arranged to go into richer sounds on wednesday and check some football on their display model and also a new one in the back, if they don't show it i'll take that one, if both do i have the situatuation of deciding whether i can life with it.

 

[Clare Newsome]

We've had a range of these sets in now, and certainly haven't had this issue. I go back to my original points about quality of source. Naturally, in-store TV feeds are typically low-quality affairs; add that to the poor set-up in many shops and i'm sometimes amazed any flatscreens get sold at all!

 

[Anonymous]

Clare

Can you clarify what you mean about the quality of the source.

For example i have seen the banding effect on freeview and from my skyhd box, i have just got a blu ray player a philips bdp7500 (have you reviewed it yet?) and i'm going to see if i can find a scene from a film where there is predominatly one colour and the camera pans left or right (like when the effect is seen during a football match) If i do find it's the same from the blu-ray then surely that discounts the source theory?

P.S. Happy New Year

 

[Anonymous]

For what it's worth I see this effect on Sky HD, Xbox 360 and Blu-ray. All are fed through QED HDMI cables to a Denon 2310 apart from the 360 which is fed by the Microsoft official component cable.

 

[Clare Newsome]

I'm stumped, then - it must be a settings or a perception issue (have either of you viewed many other LCD sets?), as with a well-tweaked set, an HD source and good cabling, we've simply not seen the flaws you describe with the Philips: merely an exceptional flatscreen in action.

 

[Anonymous]

Clare Newsome:I'm stumped, then - it must be a settings or a perception issue (have either of you viewed many other LCD sets?)

After my second failed 9664, I viewed the display model in the store. With around 15 TVs in my field of view with the 9664 in the middle, I could not see this effect on any of the others except the 7404 above it...

A Philips feature??

 

[Clare Newsome]

Hmmm, could be a particular Philips 'mode' that's on (which should be off)!

Don't underestimate the effects (good or bad) these processing modes can have - there was an awful fuss, for example, when Panasonic introduced IFC (intelligent frame creation) a couple of years' back: it made some people feel seasick, whereas some people loved it.

One man's excellent improvement is another man's unbearable annoyance...