Philips 9664 problem!

[Anonymous]

If it's a Philips feature i don't think it's an intended one as i have viewed the tv with everything off and i can still the problem.

I have an appointment at richer sounds on wednesday where hopefully i will be viewing their wall mounted shop display model and a new one they are going to set up to test for me.

My intention is to take a football dvd/blu ray and possibly some other film where i've noticed it and i'm really hoping i don't see it on their sets.

There are other people with this fault some have posted here and on another site and i can't believe it's something that's on every tv it's just a select few who are noticing it because friends have noticed it on mine, granted i did tell them to look for it.

I have 19" samsung lcd in the bedroom running of a magic eye and cable from the skyhd box and it doesn't show the banding.

I think if i had paid £500 for the tv from asda i'd be like ok i'll ignore it, but when it's £1500 and tv of the year..................................

 

[Anonymous]

hl greymack.

how did the apointment go at the store today regarding your 664 any improvements yet or news as im waying up with this or sonys x4500 or the z5800

 

[Anonymous]

Darren

Didn't make it due to being snowed in

But i was watching on inglorious Barstewards last night on blu-ray and the PQ is so good i'm thinking even if i can't get rid of the banding while watching footie i might just accept it.

 

[Anonymous]

greymac

is this banding you say whilst watching footy like a strobing affect

 

[Anonymous]

No it's more like there are dirty marks on the camera lens and when it's stable or close up you don't see them but pan left or right from far out and it's noticeable if you don't follow the ball but instead concentrate on an area of the screen.

 

[Anonymous]

first post...hi all!

got my 47" yesterday and plugged in the ps3 with assassin's creed 2.

immediately, i noticed that when the character moves quickly there are some horizontal lines in the background...

as if the refresh rate is not good enough...is this the problem you guys are talking about when talking about fast motion in football matches?

 

[ear]

Curiously, the Philips 32PFL8404H exhibited some patches of strobing within the single-pixel height stripped regions in both the "HD Video Resolution Loss Test" and "Film Resolution Loss Test" on HD HQV Benchmark disc, indicating a slight loss of resolution (though it's debatable whether this can be appreciated on a 32-inch screen). Enabling [PC Mode] immediately cleared up these patches of strobing, suggesting that the culprit was one of the video processing elements are disabled by [PC Mode].

Engaging [PC Mode] closed off access to [HD Natural Motion] and [100Hz Clear LCD], but surprisingly the Philips 32PFL8404H HDTV was still able to handle 1080p/24 video signals properly without any hint of telecine judder. We therefore recommend using [PC Mode] for all viewing bar video-based material that would benefit from [100Hz Clear LCD] such as sport programmes.

 

[sicklyorange]

andy.angus:
I have noticed the same effect in various scenarios other than sport. It is most obvious when the background is moving quickly in relation to the foreground. eg a close-up of people sitting in a car with 'the world' flying by outside the window.

I have noticed it on SKY HD, DVDs & Blu-Rays.

This is the major thing that bothers me about my set - smearing/fuzziness of detailed background moving in relation to foreground:
At the beginning of 'The Dark Knight' Blu-Ray when they are on the roof, the pebbles in the background play havoc with the motion in the foreground
Blu-Ray of 'Cars', again near the beginning, when we are told the 3 cars are in a tie for the Piston Cup and the cars are 'arrowed' with their scores - the arrows break up.

If anyone has got these films - please let me know if you experience the same 'effect' (my settings are as recommending by Andy)

I seem to get this rather than bands - don't really watch sports on the TV (got it for watching Blu-Rays) but after half hour of watching some football, I can see a very slight 'dirty lens' effect as described but only when concentrating on the screen - hadn't noticed it until I'd read this post though...

Is this normal or just a by-product of technology/LCD/flat screens?

(In addition to the '9664: Sony BDP-S760(5star) and Cambridge Audio (5star) HDMI - to be replaced with Chord Supershield)

 

[Anonymous]

Let me know if the chord supershield makes a difference as i had looked at maybe getting that cable

 

[6th.replicant]

Damn! Wish I'd read this thread before I bought a Philips 47PFL7404 (which I demo'd in-store before buying) - it seems to have exactly the same issues as the 9664, especially with Blu-rays.

In short, the only way to reduce the 'watery halo' is to use Cinema Mode, but that setting makes the pic very bleak & VERY soft, to the point that BDs appear to be no better than DVD 560p. (I wonder what type of BDP the WHF?S&V team used to test the 429664 & 47PFL7404 - bet it was a tad more crispy than a humble Pio BDP-320?)

Are these Philips TVs a case of Emperor's New Clothes or merely an acquired taste? Hmm.

 

[Clare Newsome]

6th.replicant:I wonder what type of BDP the WHF?S&V team used to test the 429664 & 47PFL7404 - bet it was a tad more crispy than a humble Pio BDP-320?.

Not so - testing done on everything from a humble (now sub-£100) Sony S360 upwards.

Have you checked your cables and connections?

 

[6th.replicant]

Clare Newsome:
6th.replicant:I wonder what type of BDP the WHF?S&V team used to test the 429664 & 47PFL7404 - bet it was a tad more crispy than a humble Pio BDP-320?.

Not so - testing done on everything from a humble (now sub-£100) Sony S360 upwards...
Fair enough. But not the answer I was hoping for!
Clare Newsome:...Have you checked your cables and connections?

Yes, all tight/secure + all connections cleaned with alcohol & a toothbrush. HDMIs are QED Performance, all-round.

 

[Anonymous]

Well i have recently received my third 42pfl9664 and it still has the dirty watermark effect although to a lesser extent.

This one also has the 2 hits of the button to switch it off, i originally thought this was the norm as my first 9664 did this but the 2nd was a simple 1 press ho hum

Bottom line i'm keeping this tv, have to say on blu ray i don't notice any problems unless there's a mass block of one colour on screen and it pans left to right.

The PQ in general is excellent although i have noticed on this model that the blacks are spot on with no clouding but when i switched on our wii and had a full white screen i noticed greying at the edges particularly in the corners, not sure if this is common or not, maybe thats why LED backlighting is coming to the fore?

Anyway keeping the telly, lot of cash for something i still have niggles with but i have to move on, i'd like to thank clare and the other hi fi bods for their help and guidance, andy's set up in particular was a great help.

P.S. Any chance of What Hi Fi taking a retrospective look at the 42pfl9664 and address the panning issues at some point?

 

[Anonymous]

Hey Greymack, this'll make you laugh.

I've bitched on in thisthread about the dirty screen effect and that I was taking it back to swap for a plasma? Well, I received my Panasonic V10 on Friday and since then it's been headaches all the way. The phosphur trail issues are horrific. Games are simply unplayable for me.

So much so, I am gunning to get another 9664 now!

What am I like!!!

 

[Anonymous]

Hi! I'm an Italian user and this is my first post so sorry for my English

I logged in because I have the same problem than the user that opened the thread: the vertical stripes in football matches.

I reduced the contrast and turn off dynamic contrast, but I see the stripes and I hate them

I think it's a problem of this model. What can I do? Call assistence? I don't think they can resolve the problem.

Change model? I don't know, every lcd seems to have problems. Z5500 clouding, LG SL9000 halo effect...G15 lose the black...and however, this model is a good lcd for all.

May be I'll stay with my 9664, but I'd like to know your settings to try reducing the strips. Thank you.

 

[Anonymous]

Harmunt you sound like a perfectionist, i can say that cause my wife calls me one

I have now had 4 9664's and this last is the best of the bunch but the lines are still very noticeable. This one at least clicks off with one click unlike some that 2 or even 3 presses.

All i can say mate is if you think you can live with the stripes and 9664 is a great tv if you can't then don't go back it'll bug you. For me it was a case of we bought a stand thats a perfect fit and match for a 9664, we also bought a philips blu ray player to match so i had kinda made my bed so to speak.

I'm still amazed that no one at what hi fi has ever seen these lines that we can see quite clearly, and i hasten to add i have seen in models in shops and more and more people mention it on forums, like our Italian friend and many on the other forums. Some people call it white lines, others call dirty marks, watermarks etc

I nearly went for 9704 with the great review it got in what hi fi but then i read the horror stories from people who had bought one again on other forums.

Bottom line no tv's are perfect so there has to be some sort of compromise and for 95% of my viewing the tv is great, i even watched the rugby in HD and even though there was a lot of green it didn't show the dirty mark effect, i think football because the balls zipps about quicker is the real victim.

What's your next move?

 

[Anonymous]

Well, I've decided that I simply can't live without ambilight and the missus agrees. I'm going to get another 42" 9664 and get a 47" 9664 for the new extension.

I predict troubles ahead! Although ANYTHING is better than phosphor trails. Trust me...

 

[Anonymous]

Good luck and keep us posted

 

[Anonymous]

One week in, purchasing despite the posts on this forum, I can, after watching 6 good sporting events with lots of green space (that would be rugby, before you ask...) as well as many films, etc., conclusively report no striping of any kind can be perceived on my 9664.

OTOH, if you want to get freaked out, turn on all the effects and try to watch T2, which suddenly looks remarkably like Neighbours before they got the guy who could do lighting, except in 3D...

So, I think it must be a batch issue, maybe exacerbated by input problems - I guess only if we could get blu-ray versions of last years 6 Nations and send them around with a player could we be sure.

(Yes, I've owned awarding winning televisual hardware in the past, and have suffered hifi-itis for 20 years...)

 

[matthewpiano]

Just out of interest, I have seen a similar motion processing issue on a Samsung 8-series, producing a watery appearance towards the edges of the screen and where there are two planes of movement at the same time. This was with a blu-ray player as source.

Keeping motion settings to minimum or off should really help to alleviate the problem as this sort of issue is more related to deficiencies in the motion processing than anything inherently wrong with the panel or individual TV. Unfortunately I just don't think anyone else's motion processing is as good as Sony's Motionflow.

That aside, the Philips is an excellent TV and, as Clare has already pointed out, the broadcast quality of some channels is woeful. The fact that we are all watching these channels on ever-bigger screens simply exacerbates the situation.

The other question I would ask, is what sort of viewing distance is everybody achieving? Simply picking a large 46 or 52" set and sitting as close as you would to a 37" or 40" can cause issues in itself. These large sets are designed primarily for HD and to be viewed from a suitable distance.

 

[Anonymous]

I see the "dirty window effect" still rages on. For another £300 you can buy the 40PFL 9704. This much lauded screen (March WHFreview) will solve all your problems. Having just connected my Humax Freeview recorder to the mains with a Russ Andrews Classic Powercord fitted with a Wattgate IEC connector, the SD picture is now stunning. A recent visitor thought I was viewing in HD and was astonished when I said it was SD. As to the "dirty window effect" if you look hard during a football match you can just see it. But to be honest I am concentrating on the game not looking at the grass and for me it's not an issue.

 

[Anonymous]

On my 9664, in particular, there is one stripe in the right-middle part of the screen. It' always there.

In some matches i can't notice it - it depends of the type of the grass.

I tried with a lot of settings, but the stripe is there. However, if I put the colour on 55 - 56, the stripe is less visible.

 

[Anonymous]

sicklyorange:

This is the major thing that bothers me about my set - smearing/fuzziness of detailed background moving in relation to foreground:
At the beginning of 'The Dark Knight' Blu-Ray when they are on the roof, the pebbles in the background play havoc with the motion in the foreground

Blu-Ray of 'Cars', again near the beginning, when we are told the 3 cars are in a tie for the Piston Cup and the cars are 'arrowed' with their scores - the arrows break up.

If anyone has got these films - please let me know if you experience the same 'effect' (my settings are as recommending by Andy)

Out of interest, do you get the same effect when watching in 'Cinema' mode as well as when using Andy's 'Personal' recommendations?

Cheers

LL

 

[sicklyorange]

greymack:Let me know if the chord supershield makes a difference as i had looked at maybe getting that cable

It seems to have made a bit of a better picture - edges seem even better and motion much better.

 

[sicklyorange]

LittleLouie:

sicklyorange:

This is the major thing that bothers me about my set - smearing/fuzziness of detailed background moving in relation to foreground:
At the beginning of 'The Dark Knight' Blu-Ray when they are on the roof, the pebbles in the background play havoc with the motion in the foreground

Blu-Ray of 'Cars', again near the beginning, when we are told the 3 cars are in a tie for the Piston Cup and the cars are 'arrowed' with their scores - the arrows break up.

If anyone has got these films - please let me know if you experience the same 'effect' (my settings are as recommending by Andy)

Out of interest, do you get the same effect when watching in 'Cinema' mode as well as when using Andy's 'Personal' recommendations?

Cheers

LL

Couldn't live with the picture on cinema mode - motion is poor - will have a look tonight and see if it makes any difference

I have recently noticed that there are dark marks on the screen when one block of colour is shown (dodgy backlight!!!????) Thought that the kids had put their dirty paws on it at first. Not too happy - do I take it back...................