Gazzip
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So how close do the two sides get? Presumably the scoring will be compiled in to some kind of chart for us all to judge? *mail1*
chebby
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fr0g said:
Then you aren't trying hard enough. What you need is a Victorian mansion with lots of big rooms where you can spread all this stuff around.
lindsayt said:
Gazzip said:
There must be an analyst on here somewhere *scratch_one-s_head*....for a start, some of the 1s and 4s have been a bit of a surprise to me.
Gazzip
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If you want to truly measure the behavioral chasm between subjectivists and objectivists, this is the questionare you should have posted in the first place:
1) I don't care for measurements, only auditioning.
2) I don't take measurements too seriosly, but will go through them before auditioning.
3) I take measurements and auditioning equally seriosly.
4) I don't do auditioning and only buy according to measured performance.
You can pick only one option and there is no 3.5 or 2.7.
For example, if measurements matter to you that much to filter out gear for auditioning, you are option 3. If you go through specs but they are not exclusive for which gear you would audition, you are option 2. An option 2 is more likely to just browse through manufacturer declared measurements and option 3 will also look at measurements done by publications and labs.
1) I don't care for measurements, only auditioning.
2) I don't take measurements too seriosly, but will go through them before auditioning.
3) I take measurements and auditioning equally seriosly.
4) I don't do auditioning and only buy according to measured performance.
You can pick only one option and there is no 3.5 or 2.7.
For example, if measurements matter to you that much to filter out gear for auditioning, you are option 3. If you go through specs but they are not exclusive for which gear you would audition, you are option 2. An option 2 is more likely to just browse through manufacturer declared measurements and option 3 will also look at measurements done by publications and labs.
Romulus
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From my past experience I would read the reviews but I also know from experience what the reviews say and what I hear in Auditions can be very different. The only time when measurements come realistically into play is when I want to match an amplifier with a certain speaker ( can the amplifier drive the speakers with confidence?). So I would choose option 4 with a little of 3.
I used to worry about the figures but now its more about how it makes me want to put more music on I often get up Saturday and Sunday mornings earley so as to get listening so maybe I am a 4
Vladimir said:
I don't think buying old stuff is nuts. What seemed nuts was Lindsays criteria.
As for the above example. I'd probably go for the Arcam. Nothing wrong with the old one, but I like my 2 year warranty
And I wouldn't regard that as short-sighted either, just a different way of doing things.I did buy a second hand amp today. Not delivered yet, a mono jobby for the in-wall sub I have...
Any thoughts on the SANSUI AU-α907MR. Weighs over 30kg. The transformer alone apparently weighs 13kg.
Can't find a rating into 4ohms though. 160 watts into 8 ohms, 190 into 6.
http://audio-database.com/SANSUI/amp/au-alpha907mr-e.html
Would something like this temp anyone into buying without an audition? I could pretty much do a straight trade for my current all in one.
Can't find a rating into 4ohms though. 160 watts into 8 ohms, 190 into 6.
http://audio-database.com/SANSUI/amp/au-alpha907mr-e.html
Would something like this temp anyone into buying without an audition? I could pretty much do a straight trade for my current all in one.
I've been thinking of starting a "Million yen, over 25 / 70kg, c£150 / non-depreciation club" thread.
Where we can have a look at components that meet my criteria plus a few that are borderline.
Thinking about it, I might drop my source weight minimum spec to 45 kgs.
The Sansui 907 was well below a miilion yen when new. The Accuphase M-2000 on the other hand would get in. Million Yen when new. 50 kgs. If I saw one for £150 I'd buy it without hearing it. I'd also strongly consider buying one at £1000 below current going rates - if I could establish the current going rate.
And I can understand why Fr0g might not want to go for a Pioneer Elite. I personally, if I were to buy Pioneer amplification would be looking to hold out for something like a Pioneer C5 / M4a combination which meets my criteria with ease - if I could find them at the right price.
Where we can have a look at components that meet my criteria plus a few that are borderline.
Thinking about it, I might drop my source weight minimum spec to 45 kgs.
The Sansui 907 was well below a miilion yen when new. The Accuphase M-2000 on the other hand would get in. Million Yen when new. 50 kgs. If I saw one for £150 I'd buy it without hearing it. I'd also strongly consider buying one at £1000 below current going rates - if I could establish the current going rate.
And I can understand why Fr0g might not want to go for a Pioneer Elite. I personally, if I were to buy Pioneer amplification would be looking to hold out for something like a Pioneer C5 / M4a combination which meets my criteria with ease - if I could find them at the right price.
lindsayt said:
I knew it didn't meet your basic qualifications (underweight and price not even a third of your million yen mark), but products need to be older to fall into that category, generally. at 1000 pounds below going rates here, you would be asking for the seller to give you 279 pounds to take it off his hands
Going rate from 2nd hand retailers rather than individuals would be around the 750 pound mark (720 for this particular specimen).
steve_1979
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lindsayt said:
That could actually make an interesting thread and I'd be happy to eat my words if your hifi selecting logic looks like it could work.
Covenanter
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Al ears
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steve_1979
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Covenanter said:
The weight of an amplifier is probably a better indicator of performance than hifi magazine reviews.
iceman16
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steve_1979 said:
I'd say they were about the same.
Both pretty irrelevant. I'm sure there is a correlation, but not so much causation.
Al ears
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steve_1979
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Al ears said:
Yes good point. Class D amplifiers (or class D hybrids) don't need to be heavy to be good.
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