Hear how Mains Conditioning Improves your Hifi

[TrevC]

I'f you don't go and listen, you will never know! *unknw*

I've never jumped off a tall building to see if I can fly, science pretty much proves that I can't so there's little point in finding out for myself.

Similar principle.

I don't think that's a safe thing to do, trying an IsoTek mains conditioner/ regenerator thingy won't kill you!

It might if it was dropped on you from a high building, but if you did do that at least you haven't lost anything in terms of performance.

 

[TrevC]

Life is too short to listen to a sound that could have been much better than it is.

That's how I look at it. Day someone proves to a system can sound no better with products like this in I may change my mind so far noone has done it including systems costing over £100k

Edit I would like to try a Genesis one but I have just laid out a huge cash lump on a 4k pj screen and infrastructure for it so pockets are very empty

Try an Exodus. That's the empty space that would have had the Genesis in it.

 

[ellisdj]

Try an Exodus. That's the empty space that would have had the Genesis in it.

Sorry what did you say?

 

[BigH]

You seem to be contradicting yourself.

Sorry BigH - I didnt mean to - in what way?

Well you said people should go and hear these Isoteks and now you said life is too short to try to see if something is better.

 

[Andrewjvt]

Life is too short to listen to a sound that could have been much better than it is.

That's how I look at it. Day someone proves to a system can sound no better with products like this in I may change my mind so far noone has done it including systems costing over £100k

Edit I would like to try a Genesis one but I have just laid out a huge cash lump on a 4k pj screen and infrastructure for it so pockets are very empty

what was the system that cost over £100k that you tested?

It was a probably a £1000 system with £99,000 pounds spent on foo from Isotek.

lol

 

[Andrewjvt]

Quality !! Thats the post of the year - I think WHF should do a forum post of the year award - you get my vote

someone giving you support has made you happy?

Trev is not a troll he just says what he thinks and stands by what he believes in. someone that does not agree with you is not a troll

 

[ellisdj]

You seem to be contradicting yourself. 

Sorry BigH - I didnt mean to - in what way?

Well you said people should go and hear these Isoteks and now you said life is too short to try to see if something is better.

Unless someone edited it in jest I said the opposite mate.

I think getting the next level of sound quality doesn't always come from the next speakers up or the next amp In the range.
I believe the reason people think laws of diminshing returns exist is because they are upgrading the wrong thing and the weak links in the chain are holding things back. So if the system infrastructure is good and getting the best from the existing then it makes sense to upgrade the kit - obviously within reason

 

[stefanom]

No, it doesn't make me happy.... I am already happy.

I am sorry if anyone is offended. This is just a stupid joke.

But everytime I go in here there are replies by TrevC on everything, often in a negative way to contradics others opinions.

But enough of this.....over and out.

 

[BigH]

You seem to be contradicting yourself.

Sorry BigH - I didnt mean to - in what way?

Well you said people should go and hear these Isoteks and now you said life is too short to try to see if something is better.

Unless someone edited it in jest I said the opposite mate.

I think getting the next level of sound quality doesn't always come from the next speakers up or the next amp In the range. I believe the reason people think laws of diminshing returns exist is because they are upgrading the wrong thing and the weak links in the chain are holding things back. So if the system infrastructure is good and getting the best from the existing then it makes sense to upgrade the kit - obviously within reason

Maybe I misunderstood but you said "Life is too short to listen to a sound that could have been much better than it is."

 

[ellisdj]

Yeah I just meant the sound can always be better in a bit of joke elevated way

 

[TrevC]

 

[TrevC]

No, it doesn't make me happy.... I am already happy.

I am sorry if anyone is offended. This is just a stupid joke.

But everytime I go in here there are replies by TrevC on everything, often in a negative way to contradics others opinions.

But enough of this.....over and out.

That's not true!

 

[Dom]

This meme is not directed at you ellisdj, it's just amusing me.

 

[TrevC]

Inside an Isotek Evo 3 Aquarius. How much is it worth? £50?

 

[ellisdj]

If you open the box of most electronics and most things for that matter how much do the bits cost compared to the price you pay for someone making it for you.
This is nothing new TrevC at all in fact it's totally irrelevant.

If you can make your own then you would obviously do it. However everyone has a putchasing choice but if they want it they have to pay for it same as anything else

 

[BigH]

Inside an Isotek Evo 3 Aquarius. How much is it worth? £50?

Marketing and advertising are expensive

 

[TrevC]

If you open the box of most electronics and most things for that matter how much do the bits cost compared to the price you pay for someone making it for you. This is nothing new TrevC at all in fact it's totally irrelevant.

If you can make your own then you would obviously do it. However everyone has a putchasing choice but if they want it they have to pay for it same as anything else

My Sony budget effort. It doesn't look much, but it was a WHF 5 star.

If I tried to make it from the parts it would cost twice as much. It even has a motorised volume control with remote.

 

[Frank Harvey]

Motorised volume controls keep some people amused for hours...

 

[ellisdj]

If you open the box of most electronics and most things for that matter how much do the bits cost compared to the price you pay for someone making it for you. This is nothing new TrevC at all in fact it's totally irrelevant.

If you can make your own then you would obviously do it. However everyone has a putchasing choice but if they want it they have to pay for it same as anything else

My Sony budget effort. It doesn't look much, but it was a WHF 5 star. 

If I tried to make it from the parts it would cost twice as much. It even has a motorised volume control with remote. 

How much did the bits cost and what % more did it sell for?

Advertising costs money but so does small scale production.
So does going to dealer after dealer around demoing your products so people can hear them for free, as does hifi shows. It's a business it has to make money.
I bet nobody minds paying all the people that designed made packaged and delivered all their prize possessions

I bet if apple announced how much it costs to make an iPhone it could be pennies and I bet they wouldn't sell 1 less

 

[spiny norman]

I bet if apple announced how much it costs to make an iPhone it could be pennies and I bet they wouldn't sell 1 less

The last teardown feature I read suggested around $230 (parts and labour) to build an iPhone 6S, and about $15 more for the 6 Plus. Labour (assembly and testing) accounted for about $11 of that total on each model.

US prices for contract-free iPhones seem to be around $600 and up (depending on storage capacity) for a 6S, and around $650 upwards for a Plus, although of course prices fall when they are 'subsidised' as part of an airtime comtract. A 128GB model is $100-$150 more than the same model with 16GB of storage, which proves that in Appleworld memory isn't cheap as chips.

 

[Frank Harvey]

A 128GB model is $100-$150 more than the same model with 16GB of storage, which proves that in Appleworld memory isn't cheap as chips.

Maybe the labour Isotek use isn't "cheap as chips"?

 

[lindsayt]

A very big steinway system I mean very big.

Also not long ago a system well over £100k comprising £30k ish each dac valve power amps etc. That imaged on one song like I have never heard before but the rest was way below par for the money. Bass was horrendous.

Bass on the steinway was insane as was the scale of sound like nothing I have ever heard before or likely to hear again unless I hear that again

The Steinway Lyngdorf Model D looks like a pretty good system.

Open baffle bass can be good.

There's every chance the same level of bass quality and overall fidelity can be had for a lot less than £100k.

 

[ellisdj]

A very big steinway system I mean very big.

Also not long ago a system well over £100k comprising £30k ish each dac valve power amps etc. That imaged on one song like I have never heard before but the rest was way below par for the money. Bass was horrendous.

Bass on the steinway was insane as was the scale of sound like nothing I have ever heard before or likely to hear again unless I hear that again

The Steinway Lyngdorf Model D looks like a pretty good system.

Open baffle bass can be good.

There's every chance the same level of bass quality and overall fidelity can be had for a lot less than £100k.

The model d does do surprisingly good bass. To achieve better bass from conventional hifi speakers would require a big effort made to the room which at that investment level you would expect the owner to do this.

However it's not the model d system I am referring to

Most hifi systems I have heard in many locations bass is always the weakest link steinway has always been excellent bass

 

[lindsayt]

Which Steinway Lyngdorf were you refering to?

Some speaker room combinations sound world class in the bass department with minimal effort from their owners.

 

[ellisdj]

Which Steinway Lyngdorf were you refering to?

 

Some speaker room combinations sound world class in the bass department with minimal effort from their owners.

Hi LindseyT I am sure they do mate I have not heard one yet.

I think the system was iw66 speakers and 16 sub woofers. Name could be wrong. Amazing scale of sound

This trail of conversation is going from original point which was I am yet to hear a system that is so perfect it couldn't be improved in some ways that includes uber quality / expense.
I can't say categorically what would do what to what system but I know if I was an owner I would be looking to try things out and not rule anything out in trying to achieve that perfection I would be looking for.