GroeneLeeuw
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I’m not ever going to say that cables make a huge difference
However if you’ve got a very revealing system then I believe you can hear the difference between different interconnects and speaker cables
As mentioned I used to own TQ Ultra Black speaker cable and in my system at the time, which was very revealing, I could hear the difference
Would I use TQ Ultra Black now? No I wouldn’t. I now use NACA5 because it seems to work quite well with my Naim amp without spending a fortune
The NACA5 cost me about £350, professionally made, which I considered to be fair value as it will last me a lifetime
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Al ears
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What is a revealing system?
Surely everyone has one?
Nobody is going to admit they don't.
Well if you’ve never had a revealing system then you won’t know what one sounds like… simple stuff really
Dave_
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It's the go to arguement every audiophool makes in attempt to legitimise their ******** beliefs as factual
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A revealing system is what is used in studios which shows up everything warts and all, and so is nothing special as that's how every system should be, but never will be as most people hate a warts an all system and usually prefer a system that sounds nice.
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You can't. You can show scientifically that you can't. Differences you are hearing are psychological.
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You can easily have a system as revealing as in the studio. The thing is if the studio is using standard cables then how are the details that the special audiophile cables allow through going to be there in the first place? 😀
That’s true Topping you could
I’ve certainly owned a very revealing system in the past
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The only cables in the recording path in a studio will be balanced from mic to mixing desk.
Studio monitoring systems are chosen mostly for their balance, rather than outright quality. Any studio's job is just to get the music recorded, which is captured to whatever format from the instrument to the mixing desk - that signal doesn't touch a "system" in the conventional sense - it's only monitored via a system (usually active monitors, usually chosen for ease of use) - less boxes/cabling etc. Those who master albums will have their preferred equipment (not necessarily a studio system) - like Bob Ludwig using Eggleston Works loudspeakers. Again, not in the signal path, but they allow the masterer to hear everything that was captured and to preserve/polish etc.
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The clue is in the thread title which I believe includes the word "CABLE" so easily not followed is it not?
ToppingSMSL
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Yes but what's your point? They use balanced because typically they will be quite long runs and there can be many sources of interference in a studio. Other than that, how are audiophile cables going to pull more detail out than was already there? It's impossible. I mean, you can use balanced cables at home if you're concerned about interference. They won't drag out more detail either, though.
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I appreciate this is about speaker cables but here's a nice spin on headphone cables from Wave Theory; even if you don't sit on the cables make a difference camp, you got to admire the different variations and choice that's available to the consumer.
When choosing a cable, I also consider the quality of the XLR/Jack plugs, such as Rean, Amphenol, Neutrik, Switchcraft, top end Furutech very nice. I have preference for starquad soldering you see typically with Japanese Mogami and Swiss Gotham cables.
View: https://youtu.be/56oqcgZDRHE?si=Bx85HFSN4b8xfkwh
I was going to go for the Artic, I placed it in my shopping cart, then I was swayed by the Caesar until I came across the Meze FURUKAWA Single Crystal Copper, which is almost identical to the Artic, aesthetically pleasing - Artic has square weaving, the Meze loop weaving - below. The reviews were most encouraging, so I decided on the Meze.
View: https://youtu.be/KIYnNyAaL5E?si=KbCX4JWwcWK6XRYH
When choosing a cable, I also consider the quality of the XLR/Jack plugs, such as Rean, Amphenol, Neutrik, Switchcraft, top end Furutech very nice. I have preference for starquad soldering you see typically with Japanese Mogami and Swiss Gotham cables.
I was going to go for the Artic, I placed it in my shopping cart, then I was swayed by the Caesar until I came across the Meze FURUKAWA Single Crystal Copper, which is almost identical to the Artic, aesthetically pleasing - Artic has square weaving, the Meze loop weaving - below. The reviews were most encouraging, so I decided on the Meze.
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The ABX blind testing that finds no one can reliably tell the difference and this test, should end the cable debate;
www.audiosciencereview.com
"The Kimber KS 1036 ($4520 for the pair, 1 meter) has identical electrical performance as my ultra cheap (but well built) Amazon cables. Testing was performed way outside of audible range and still no difference was found."
If various tests fail to find a measurable difference, then no one can possibly hear an actual difference. If people are sure they can hear a difference, then they need to look at their ears and brain, to explain why there is a difference, as it is not the cable itself.
Kimber KS 1036 Silver RCA Cable Review
This is a review and detailed measurements of the Kimber Kable KS1036 "Silver" RCA Cable. It is on kind loan from a member and costs US $4,520 for a pair (1 meter). While I did not care for the cheap plastic box it came in, the cable itself has a bit of style with that loose wooden piece with...
www.audiosciencereview.com
"The Kimber KS 1036 ($4520 for the pair, 1 meter) has identical electrical performance as my ultra cheap (but well built) Amazon cables. Testing was performed way outside of audible range and still no difference was found."
If various tests fail to find a measurable difference, then no one can possibly hear an actual difference. If people are sure they can hear a difference, then they need to look at their ears and brain, to explain why there is a difference, as it is not the cable itself.
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Yeah but cryo treated copper conductors!The ABX blind testing that finds no one can reliably tell the difference and this test, should end the cable debate;
Kimber KS 1036 Silver RCA Cable Review
This is a review and detailed measurements of the Kimber Kable KS1036 "Silver" RCA Cable. It is on kind loan from a member and costs US $4,520 for a pair (1 meter). While I did not care for the cheap plastic box it came in, the cable itself has a bit of style with that loose wooden piece with...
"The Kimber KS 1036 ($4520 for the pair, 1 meter) has identical electrical performance as my ultra cheap (but well built) Amazon cables. Testing was performed way outside of audible range and still no difference was found."
If various tests fail to find a measurable difference, then no one can possibly hear an actual difference. If people are sure they can hear a difference, then they need to look at their ears and brain, to explain why there is a difference, as it is not the cable itself.
If it’s at all interesting to people I found the following YT video interesting… it’s an expensive Apple C cable against the cheaper alternatives
The Apple cable comes out pretty well but I still wouldn’t rush out to buy it even though I do like Apple products generally….. I know, I know they are a rip off but the video is interesting nonetheless just to show the difference in build
View: https://youtu.be/AD5aAd8Oy84?si=j8teI4Z1lPBt8cbE
The Apple cable comes out pretty well but I still wouldn’t rush out to buy it even though I do like Apple products generally….. I know, I know they are a rip off but the video is interesting nonetheless just to show the difference in build
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I’m not saying that speaker cables or interconnects are worth what some manufacturers are charging but maybe it does prove why some cables are £5 a metre vs more expensive items
I will NOT get into a cable war on here though but thought the video was quite interesting
I will NOT get into a cable war on here though but thought the video was quite interesting
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ToppingSMSL
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That's a high bandwidth Thunderbird 4 data cable compared to USB cables not designed for the same bandwidth. It's not really comparable with interconnects and speaker cables.
GroeneLeeuw
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That's because cables are a controversial subject Shrek.
As you prove....
That suggests that all turntables with 'normal' mains leads are more noisy 🤔
Shrek
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There must be a reason for it. I do know there is very little noise even at high very high volume with no sound .
Im sure there is more to it than just the mains cable .
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