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I've just managed to re-aqiure Rumours by Fleetwood Mac on DVD-Audio. It cost me substancially more this time than when I owned it a few years ago, but it's worth it! The 5.1 mix of Gold Dust Woman is excellent.
Next on the list to re-aquire is the SACD of Supernature by Goldfrapp, Number One gives your sub a good workout.
Next on the list to re-aquire is the SACD of Supernature by Goldfrapp, Number One gives your sub a good workout.
pete321:
I've just managed to re-aqiure Rumours by Fleetwood Mac on DVD-Audio. It cost me substancially more this time than when I owned it a few years ago, but it's worth it! The 5.1 mix of Gold Dust Woman is excellent.
Next on the list to re-aquire is the SACD of Supernature by Goldfrapp, Number One gives your sub a good workout.
I've got that one too. For me, Christine McVie's performances on Songbird and Oh Daddy are just breathtaking in hi-def.
I've just managed to re-aqiure Rumours by Fleetwood Mac on DVD-Audio. It cost me substancially more this time than when I owned it a few years ago, but it's worth it! The 5.1 mix of Gold Dust Woman is excellent.
Next on the list to re-aquire is the SACD of Supernature by Goldfrapp, Number One gives your sub a good workout.
I've got that one too. For me, Christine McVie's performances on Songbird and Oh Daddy are just breathtaking in hi-def.
Andrew Everard:If I tell you I am currently listening to the Grieg Piano Concerto - the excellent new 2L SACD/CD/Blu-ray recording - on the Oppo, would that give you some kind of clue, kaotician?
You're a lucky, lucky man, Andrew. I think I see that clue, and thank you very much for it.
You're a lucky, lucky man, Andrew. I think I see that clue, and thank you very much for it.
Will Harris:Funny how Classical seems to lead the way for hi-fidelity audio!
I take it from Andrew's post that we're starting to see HD audio releases on BluRay? Is this a step on from standard SACD? The only shame of it, whether I've got that bit right or not, is that it seems to be just Classical and Jazz that have a hi-def audio audience. I really really hope we see some fantastic enveloping multi channel audio hi-def releases from the pop and rock world.
Andrew, what are you running the Oppo with, during your Tchaikovsky listening session?
Without knowing, I'd expect the bit-rate and sampling rate to be identical between SACD and Blu-Ray (although of course SACD itself can vary). I note your point about releases and concur. There are some truly beautiful SACD classical releases, which I wouldn't be without, but I'd also dearly love some Mike Oldfield (beyond Tubular Bells) and more Pink Floyd, plus more recent Muse could be fun.
I take it from Andrew's post that we're starting to see HD audio releases on BluRay? Is this a step on from standard SACD? The only shame of it, whether I've got that bit right or not, is that it seems to be just Classical and Jazz that have a hi-def audio audience. I really really hope we see some fantastic enveloping multi channel audio hi-def releases from the pop and rock world.
Andrew, what are you running the Oppo with, during your Tchaikovsky listening session?
Without knowing, I'd expect the bit-rate and sampling rate to be identical between SACD and Blu-Ray (although of course SACD itself can vary). I note your point about releases and concur. There are some truly beautiful SACD classical releases, which I wouldn't be without, but I'd also dearly love some Mike Oldfield (beyond Tubular Bells) and more Pink Floyd, plus more recent Muse could be fun.
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kaotician:and more Pink Floyd, plus more recent Muse could be fun.
Quite disappointed with SACD Dark Side Of The Moon on the Oppo 83, I dug out the CD and the slight dullness disappeared. Anyone else find DSOTM SACD lacks bit of bite? It has been recommended a lot.
Then tried another recommendation - Flaming Lips 'Joshimi' DVD-A and it sounds great.
Quite disappointed with SACD Dark Side Of The Moon on the Oppo 83, I dug out the CD and the slight dullness disappeared. Anyone else find DSOTM SACD lacks bit of bite? It has been recommended a lot.
Then tried another recommendation - Flaming Lips 'Joshimi' DVD-A and it sounds great.
AndrewH13:Quite disappointed with SACD Dark Side Of The Moon on the Oppo 83, I dug out the CD and the slight dullness disappeared. Anyone else find DSOTM SACD lacks bit of bite? It has been recommended a lot.
I much prefer the quad mix of DSOTM, which one can find online with a bit of hunting - ages since I got mine, so couldn't tell you where - and burn to a DVD-R.
I much prefer the quad mix of DSOTM, which one can find online with a bit of hunting - ages since I got mine, so couldn't tell you where - and burn to a DVD-R.
AndrewH13:
kaotician:and more Pink Floyd, plus more recent Muse could be fun.
Quite disappointed with SACD Dark Side Of The Moon on the Oppo 83, I dug out the CD and the slight dullness disappeared. Anyone else find DSOTM SACD lacks bit of bite? It has been recommended a lot.
Then tried another recommendation - Flaming Lips 'Joshimi' DVD-A and it sounds great.
Hmmm, and you've got some good kit there to listen on too.......I wonder if what you're hearing as dullness is what I perceive as a sort of warmth to it? I've noticed that Tacimas add an extra metallic sense to music, and wonder if that might help?
kaotician:and more Pink Floyd, plus more recent Muse could be fun.
Quite disappointed with SACD Dark Side Of The Moon on the Oppo 83, I dug out the CD and the slight dullness disappeared. Anyone else find DSOTM SACD lacks bit of bite? It has been recommended a lot.
Then tried another recommendation - Flaming Lips 'Joshimi' DVD-A and it sounds great.
Hmmm, and you've got some good kit there to listen on too.......I wonder if what you're hearing as dullness is what I perceive as a sort of warmth to it? I've noticed that Tacimas add an extra metallic sense to music, and wonder if that might help?
My own favourite mix of DSoTM was....my own!!Back in my teens, I bought a couple of identical stereo radiograms from an auction (£8 each, I recall), cross-phased one of the stereo pairs and then linked them up to the other stereo, setting one of them in front of me and one behind. The sound mix I got was very whispery and more acoustic, with what seemed to my ears to be a greater sense of separation.
Actually, it probably wasn't all that good, just a lot of fun. I will say this though - Hounds of Love sounded absolutely fantastic, and isn't that an album fit for multi-channeling, (as it were)?
Actually, it probably wasn't all that good, just a lot of fun. I will say this though - Hounds of Love sounded absolutely fantastic, and isn't that an album fit for multi-channeling, (as it were)?
Andrew Everard:
AndrewH13:Quite disappointed with SACD Dark Side Of The Moon on the Oppo 83, I dug out the CD and the slight dullness disappeared. Anyone else find DSOTM SACD lacks bit of bite? It has been recommended a lot.
I much prefer the quad mix of DSOTM, which one can find online with a bit of hunting - ages since I got mine, so couldn't tell you where - and burn to a DVD-R.
I presume you mean the Alan Parsons one, as mixed at the time of the original recording?
AndrewH13:Quite disappointed with SACD Dark Side Of The Moon on the Oppo 83, I dug out the CD and the slight dullness disappeared. Anyone else find DSOTM SACD lacks bit of bite? It has been recommended a lot.
I much prefer the quad mix of DSOTM, which one can find online with a bit of hunting - ages since I got mine, so couldn't tell you where - and burn to a DVD-R.
I presume you mean the Alan Parsons one, as mixed at the time of the original recording?
That's the one, if indeed all the copies floating around t'interweb are an accurate version of that mix.
But having been lucky enough to have sat at the desk in the Penthouse at Abbey Road with Parsons and listen to some of DSOTM played back a few years ago, I'd say the disc I now have seems to have the same mix on it.
But having been lucky enough to have sat at the desk in the Penthouse at Abbey Road with Parsons and listen to some of DSOTM played back a few years ago, I'd say the disc I now have seems to have the same mix on it.
Andrew Everard:That's the one, if indeed all the copies floating around t'interweb are an accurate version of that mix.
But having been lucky enough to have sat at the desk in the Penthouse at Abbey Road with Parsons and listen to some of DSOTM played back a few years ago, I'd say the disc I now have seems to have the same mix on it.If you think that will make people jealous, then you are right.
But having been lucky enough to have sat at the desk in the Penthouse at Abbey Road with Parsons and listen to some of DSOTM played back a few years ago, I'd say the disc I now have seems to have the same mix on it.If you think that will make people jealous, then you are right.
Not much to be jealous about: B&W had hired the place for a speaker launch, given that the speakers used are - well, you can see
- and had got Parsons along to play some of his then new album. It was On Air, so it was some time ago...
He just happened to have the DSOTM recording to hand, too...
- and had got Parsons along to play some of his then new album. It was On Air, so it was some time ago...
He just happened to have the DSOTM recording to hand, too...
Clare Newsome:
"I call it the 'Alan Parsons project'"
That's the one
I loved that moment - but then, I have to admit to owning every Alan Parsons and Project album, including the hi-def's.
"I call it the 'Alan Parsons project'"
That's the one
AndrewH13:
kaotician:and more Pink Floyd, plus more recent Muse could be fun.
Quite disappointed with SACD Dark Side Of The Moon on the Oppo 83, I dug out the CD and the slight dullness disappeared. Anyone else find DSOTM SACD lacks bit of bite? It has been recommended a lot.
Then tried another recommendation - Flaming Lips 'Joshimi' DVD-A and it sounds great.
Andrew, from the look of your signature, you're running the Oppo over analogues into your TAG gear, is that right? I tried the same thing into my AVR600 and then swapped over to HDMI and tested DSOTM, that Flaming Lips album you mentioned and Brothers in Arms. (Not that many choices on SACD/DVD-A really so we all end up with the same discs). Over HDMI with the AVR600 doing the decoding (probably from PCM as we've never been able to ascertain for certain if the Arcam will accept a DSD signal) the Arcam sounded better than it did over analogues. The sound was a little clearer with slightly more dynamic range. Better bass and wider sound staging. So HDMI was my preferred output from the Oppo.
kaotician:and more Pink Floyd, plus more recent Muse could be fun.
Quite disappointed with SACD Dark Side Of The Moon on the Oppo 83, I dug out the CD and the slight dullness disappeared. Anyone else find DSOTM SACD lacks bit of bite? It has been recommended a lot.
Then tried another recommendation - Flaming Lips 'Joshimi' DVD-A and it sounds great.
Andrew, from the look of your signature, you're running the Oppo over analogues into your TAG gear, is that right? I tried the same thing into my AVR600 and then swapped over to HDMI and tested DSOTM, that Flaming Lips album you mentioned and Brothers in Arms. (Not that many choices on SACD/DVD-A really so we all end up with the same discs). Over HDMI with the AVR600 doing the decoding (probably from PCM as we've never been able to ascertain for certain if the Arcam will accept a DSD signal) the Arcam sounded better than it did over analogues. The sound was a little clearer with slightly more dynamic range. Better bass and wider sound staging. So HDMI was my preferred output from the Oppo.
Will Harris:
(Not that many choices on SACD/DVD-A really so we all end up with the same discs).
Only about 6000 SA-CD titles at the last count...
Will Harris:So HDMI was my preferred
output from the Oppo.
Although of course the TAG processor doesn't give AH13 that option.
(Not that many choices on SACD/DVD-A really so we all end up with the same discs).
Only about 6000 SA-CD titles at the last count...
Will Harris:So HDMI was my preferred
output from the Oppo.
Although of course the TAG processor doesn't give AH13 that option.
Andrew Everard:
Will Harris: (Not that many choices on SACD/DVD-A really so we all end up with the same discs).
Only about 6000 SA-CD titles at the last count...
Will Harris:So HDMI was my preferred output from the Oppo.
Although of course the TAG processor doesn't give AH13 that option.
Although there are 6000 titles, the vast majority are classical. I am glad for classical fans of course, but for the rock/jazz crowd the selection is fairly limited.
Will Harris: (Not that many choices on SACD/DVD-A really so we all end up with the same discs).
Only about 6000 SA-CD titles at the last count...
Will Harris:So HDMI was my preferred output from the Oppo.
Although of course the TAG processor doesn't give AH13 that option.
Although there are 6000 titles, the vast majority are classical. I am glad for classical fans of course, but for the rock/jazz crowd the selection is fairly limited.
They're also getting scarcer (rock on sacd). I saw Peter Gabriel 3 (which I already own as I'm a fan anyway) on ebay two weeks ago sell secondhand for slightly under £80!!
Andrew E, you're right. I had concluded that as he had a TAG processor he must be running analogues out of the Oppo. I really think that amazing as I think this player is over HDMI, over analogues you can't escape from the price you're paying for the machine. In terms of component quality, there is only so much they can do, so although the Oppo punches way above its weight on a performance per pound comparison, if I was using it solely via analogues, I'd have no issue at this price, but I'd know you can do better if you spent a lot more money. Not sure how much more you'd have to spend. Depends whether you simply must have a Universal Player. There aren't many options below £1000. In fact, I'm not sure there are any other options. That's why I like the Oppo so much, but the outright money-no-object analogue crown probably belongs elsewhere. Not that anyone's really disputing this. (In case you thought it was blind love on my side!)
And the scarcity of rock and pop on SACD is a shame. So yes, there are 6,000 titles, but as has been mentioned many times, mostly they're classical. Maybe as I get older, I'll get a bit more cultured and start buying classical music. Who knows. Be more interested in getting into Jazz, but need to do A LOT of work to learn what to buy and what I'd enjoy, but at least Jazz puts in a fairly good showing on SACD and DVD-A. Even the new BluRay-Audio disks from AIX are looking quite appealing.
Will Harris:Andrew E, you're right. I had concluded that as he had a TAG processor he must be running analogues out of the Oppo. I really think that amazing as I think this player is over HDMI, over analogues you can't escape from the price you're paying for the machine. In terms of component quality, there is only so much they can do, so although the Oppo punches way above its weight on a performance per pound comparison, if I was using it solely via analogues, I'd have no issue at this price, but I'd know you can do better if you spent a lot more money. Not sure how much more you'd have to spend. Depends whether you simply must have a Universal Player. There aren't many options below £1000. In fact, I'm not sure there are any other options. That's why I like the Oppo so much, but the outright money-no-object analogue crown probably belongs elsewhere. Not that anyone's really disputing this. (In case you thought it was blind love on my side!)
I just saw another blog piece on the upcoming Lexicon BDP that seems to be heavily based on the Oppo. If you are one of the "money-is-no-object" crowd that wants the ultimate in all-round performance then I would imagine this would be a player to look at. I couldn't imagine Lexicon sparing a penny when it comes to the DACs. Reviews seem to be very good for the Denon A1UD as well. I imagine that the Lexicon will probably weigh in around the A1UD's price point if not a bit higher.
I just saw another blog piece on the upcoming Lexicon BDP that seems to be heavily based on the Oppo. If you are one of the "money-is-no-object" crowd that wants the ultimate in all-round performance then I would imagine this would be a player to look at. I couldn't imagine Lexicon sparing a penny when it comes to the DACs. Reviews seem to be very good for the Denon A1UD as well. I imagine that the Lexicon will probably weigh in around the A1UD's price point if not a bit higher.
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