Looks like a nice sound...

[Gray]

If ever a speaker looked like it could be all I ever needed......

It's got all the ingredients:
Larger than usual bass driver for quantity, transmission line loaded to maintain the quality.
True ribbon tweeter and the bonus of a 'squawker'.

Potentially, the speed of a atandmount, with the scale of a floorstander.

Reading down, looking, as we do, for the price.......the £2000 was obviously wrong - that was the price of the custom stands 🙂....multiply by 10 for the speakers 😱

No more expensive than you'd expect really, but needs to sound every bit as good as it looks like it could.

Another product for the minority - with spare money and appropriate location for use:

Kerr Acoustic launches K200 loudspeaker

UK company Kerr Acoustic has launched its new K200 three-way standmount loudspeaker. Built exclusively from 24mm Baltic birch plywood, it features the company’s unique transmission line loading and a combination of drivers including a brand new 254mm Radial bass driver from Dorset-based Volt...

www.hifichoice.com

 

[Deleted member 201267]

If ever a speaker looked like it could be all I ever needed......

It's got all the ingredients:
Larger than usual bass driver for quantity, transmission line loaded to maintain the quality.
True ribbon tweeter and the bonus of a 'squawker'.

Potentially, the speed of a atandmount, with the scale of a floorstander.

Reading down, looking, as we do, for the price.......the £2000 was obviously wrong - that was the price of the custom stands 🙂....multiply by 10 for the speakers 😱

No more expensive than you'd expect really, but needs to sound every bit as good as it looks like it could.

Another product for the minority - with spare money and appropriate location for use:

Kerr Acoustic launches K200 loudspeaker

UK company Kerr Acoustic has launched its new K200 three-way standmount loudspeaker. Built exclusively from 24mm Baltic birch plywood, it features the company’s unique transmission line loading and a combination of drivers including a brand new 254mm Radial bass driver from Dorset-based Volt...

www.hifichoice.com

£20k would buy a super pair of actives !

 

[Gray]

£20k would buy a super pair of actives !

Yes, these make the SCM40A look like a bargain at less than half the price.
That's before you buy a suitable amp for these (would make an interesting comparison though).

 

[Deleted member 201267]

Yes, these make the SCM40A look like a bargain at less than half the price.
That's before you buy a suitable amp for these (would make an interesting comparison though).

They certainly look the business, i agree, but i have no enthusiasm for passive speakers costing as much as these as you have to add amps etc which takes the price to silly levels.

Here is a video example of the Magico M9 (the ultimate passive speakers ?) the cost of which is insane :-

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VcPAdzjcA0

 

[Friesiansam]

They certainly look the business, i agree, but i have no enthusiasm for passive speakers costing as much as these as you have to add amps etc which takes the price to silly levels.

Here is a video example of the Magico M9 (the ultimate passive speakers ?) the cost of which is insane :-

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VcPAdzjcA0

I don't think they need any help from the cost of a suitable amp, to take the price to silly levels...

WHF's article in 2020 quoted an expected price of around £840,000!

 

[Gray]

I don't think they need any help from the cost of a suitable amp, to take the price to silly levels...

WHF's article in 2020 quoted an expected price of around £840,000!

I'd push the boat out and give them a £20 amp each:

 

[Deleted member 201267]

I don't think they need any help from the cost of a suitable amp, to take the price to silly levels...

WHF's article in 2020 quoted an expected price of around £840,000!

They are over a million now.

 

[matthewpianist]

They are over a million now.

I couldn't bring myself to spend that even if I had the money. A million pounds could do a lot of good for a lot of less fortunate people.

 

[Deleted member 201267]

I couldn't bring myself to spend that even if I had the money. A million pounds could do a lot of good for a lot of less fortunate people.

At the end of the video the complete system components are revealed which i guess comes to £1.5 million ?

The owner "Rudy" has another hobby that is racing Ferraris...

 

[Gray]

They are over a million now.

That would buy 250 of those 4 grand fuses.

Leave the million in the bank - and with the interest alone you could buy yourself a fantastic system.
(A different one every year if you wanted).

 

[Deleted member 201267]

That would buy 250 of those 4 grand fuses.

Leave the million in the bank - and with the interest alone you could buy yourself a fantastic system.
(A different one every year if you wanted).

I forgot about those fuses.

I bet Rudy has some them too !

He must be a billionaire this bloke...

 

[Al ears]

At the end of the video the complete system components are revealed which i guess comes to £1.5 million ?

The owner "Rudy" has another hobby that is racing Ferraris...

How bored must he be.... 😎
We had it really interesting, we raced pigeons....

 

[Al ears]

If ever a speaker looked like it could be all I ever needed......

It's got all the ingredients:
Larger than usual bass driver for quantity, transmission line loaded to maintain the quality.
True ribbon tweeter and the bonus of a 'squawker'.

Potentially, the speed of a atandmount, with the scale of a floorstander.

Reading down, looking, as we do, for the price.......the £2000 was obviously wrong - that was the price of the custom stands 🙂....multiply by 10 for the speakers 😱

No more expensive than you'd expect really, but needs to sound every bit as good as it looks like it could.

Another product for the minority - with spare money and appropriate location for use:

Kerr Acoustic launches K200 loudspeaker

UK company Kerr Acoustic has launched its new K200 three-way standmount loudspeaker. Built exclusively from 24mm Baltic birch plywood, it features the company’s unique transmission line loading and a combination of drivers including a brand new 254mm Radial bass driver from Dorset-based Volt...

www.hifichoice.com

The PMC BBs-6a are similar but active and will set you back £70k.... Just saying...

 

[WayneKerr]

A million pounds could get you and your mates on a one way trip to see a shipwreck. Or help a lot of charitable causes.

 

[Noddy]

Measurements of the K300 speakers show very poor performance especially given the price. I suspect these are yet another Veblen product.

Also the use of a transmission line is a red flag for me, they are not needed, and in the case of PMC the ATL is IMO a marketing tool with no audible benefit. No doubt a review will empty a thesaurus to extol its virtues and leave the reader drooling with desire. Soaring highs, authoritative dynamics, insightful midrange, the usual nonsense.

 

[Gray]

Measurements of the K300 speakers show very poor performance especially given the price. I suspect these are yet another Veblen product.

Also the use of a transmission line is a red flag for me, they are not needed, and in the case of PMC the ATL is IMO a marketing tool with no audible benefit. No doubt a review will empty a thesaurus to extol its virtues and leave the reader drooling with desire. Soaring highs, authoritative dynamics, insightful midrange, the usual nonsense.

My own PMC speakers were judged to be a design failure by the website specialising in measurements.

Yet they've been universally (unusually universally) praised for their sound by every reviewer that has listened to them - except that one maybe....as I would expect his listening tests to back up his measurements 😉

More importantly than any of that though, I like their sound (absolutely love it at times).
I suspect the transmission line helps my enjoyment but to be honest, I don't really care 👍

 

[Noddy]

My own PMC speakers were judged to be a design failure by the website specialising in measurements.

Yet they've been universally (unusually universally) praised for their sound by every reviewer that has listened to them - except that one maybe....as I would expect his listening tests to back up his measurements 😉

More importantly than any of that though, I like their sound (absolutely love it at times).
I suspect the transmission line helps my enjoyment but to be honest, I don't really care 👍

I think we are own/owned the same PMC speakers, twenty.21.

You are certainly right that owner enjoyment comes first, anything else is irrelevant. And if someone says you are wrong, stick two fingers up at them.

Mine worked great for most acoustic music especially classical, but metal and rock sounded wrong, and Joni Mitchell’s voice was just off. That is why I sold mine. My tastes are for neutral speakers.

I have become very cynical about reviews. The hifi industry is very much a self serving pyramid of mutal benefit. Magazines depend on advertisers for their existence. Reviewers depend on getting reviews published or they starve. Manufacturers spend big wodges on adverts, exhibition space and marketing. No sensible manufacturer is going to spend a fortune to advertise in a magazine that pans their products. No sensible magazine is going to allow a loose cannon reviewer slam their advertisers. No sensible reviewer is going to risk going out on a limb. I also think most reviewers don’t understand the technical side. They provide subjective reviews which are no more than just that. There is nothing wrong with that, but shops often take those reviews and use them as proof of quality. The lack of technical measurements is shocking.

 

[Gray]

I think we are own/owned the same PMC speakers, twenty.21.

You are certainly right that owner enjoyment comes first, anything else is irrelevant. And if someone says you are wrong, stick two fingers up at them.

Mine worked great for most acoustic music especially classical, but metal and rock sounded wrong, and Joni Mitchell’s voice was just off. That is why I sold mine. My tastes are for neutral speakers.

I have become very cynical about reviews. The hifi industry is very much a self serving pyramid of mutal benefit. Magazines depend on advertisers for their existence. Reviewers depend on getting reviews published or they starve. Manufacturers spend big wodges on adverts, exhibition space and marketing. No sensible manufacturer is going to spend a fortune to advertise in a magazine that pans their products. No sensible magazine is going to allow a loose cannon reviewer slam their advertisers. No sensible reviewer is going to risk going out on a limb. I also think most reviewers don’t understand the technical side. They provide subjective reviews which are no more than just that. There is nothing wrong with that, but shops often take those reviews and use them as proof of quality. The lack of technical measurements is shocking.

I'm interested to know what speakers you changed to and especially in the ways you think they're more neutral.
(Because I like neutral).

And presumably your amp was the same for both speakers. What was / is that?

 

[Al ears]

I think we are own/owned the same PMC speakers, twenty.21.

You are certainly right that owner enjoyment comes first, anything else is irrelevant. And if someone says you are wrong, stick two fingers up at them.

Mine worked great for most acoustic music especially classical, but metal and rock sounded wrong, and Joni Mitchell’s voice was just off. That is why I sold mine. My tastes are for neutral speakers.

I have become very cynical about reviews. The hifi industry is very much a self serving pyramid of mutal benefit. Magazines depend on advertisers for their existence. Reviewers depend on getting reviews published or they starve. Manufacturers spend big wodges on adverts, exhibition space and marketing. No sensible manufacturer is going to spend a fortune to advertise in a magazine that pans their products. No sensible magazine is going to allow a loose cannon reviewer slam their advertisers. No sensible reviewer is going to risk going out on a limb. I also think most reviewers don’t understand the technical side. They provide subjective reviews which are no more than just that. There is nothing wrong with that, but shops often take those reviews and use them as proof of quality. The lack of technical measurements is shocking.

Unfortunately you don't listen to technical measurements and, as everyone has different hearing, they can be a tad meaningless.
A speaker can measure very well but put that speaker in a less than ideal room and its not necessarily going to sound good.
Measurements may help you form a shortlist but, ultimately, you are going to have to audition in your own home where a less well measuring speaker might actually sound better...

 

[Noddy]

Unfortunately you don't listen to technical measurements and, as everyone has different hearing, they can be a tad meaningless.
A speaker can measure very well but put that speaker in a less than ideal room and its not necessarily going to sound good.
Measurements may help you form a shortlist but, ultimately, you are going to have to audition in your own home where a less well measuring speaker might actually sound better...

I certainly agree with that last sentence.

It is certainly true that everyone has different hearing, but measurements give you something concrete rather than the subjective views of someone whose tastes might be orthogonal to yours. Plus for a cynic like me, measurements are a way round the group think, and psychological influences. I’m sure most reviewers are decent souls, but we are all fallible, and I would rather have measurements plus subjective impressions. And also it is possible to like something initially because it has so called showroom sound i.e. a tuning designed to appeal to someone during a ten minute audition, but to tire of it after prolonged listening.

Incidentally I reviewed some products supplied by manufacturers and it is very hard not to be nice in the review. I found the human factor a big influence, but maybe that’s just me.

 

[Witterings]

I couldn't bring myself to spend that even if I had the money. A million pounds could do a lot of good for a lot of less fortunate people.

Easy to forget that a lot of people with extreme wealth do actually make huge charitable contributions which would probably dwarf £1m .... as long as they've legally and morally earnt it and they're giving huge amounts away not unreasonable they should spend some on themselves.

 

[Friesiansam]

Easy to forget that a lot of people with extreme wealth do actually make huge charitable contributions which would probably dwarf £1m .... as long as they've legally and morally earnt it and they're giving huge amounts away not unreasonable they should spend some on themselves.

In many cases, though not all, those donations will be offset against tax.

 

[matthewpianist]

Easy to forget that a lot of people with extreme wealth do actually make huge charitable contributions which would probably dwarf £1m .... as long as they've legally and morally earnt it and they're giving huge amounts away not unreasonable they should spend some on themselves.

I don't disagree, I'm just strongly opposed to the accumulation of extreme wealth and the ridiculous sums of money some people make or are paid. Therein lies a political conversation about the problems inherent in capitalism - one we should avoid getting into here I think.