Chord Chorus 2 Vs. Tellurium Q Ultra Black RCA cabel

[BigColz]

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Might get in trouble for this but i'm selling my TQ Blacks 2m terminated for £150 and my Chord Epics 3m (one end is bare wire) for £170 if anyones interested contact me on gocolesygo@hotmail.com (Just saving people from e(vil)Bay)

Look overpriced I can get them new for just over £100.

2 x 2 metres terminated. 2 metres per speaker. Will sell for £150 inc delivery. Ive not seen them for under £200. The epics cost over £300 new so I don't think either is overpriced. Thanks

 

[CJSF]

Oh boy, TQ-Blue, TQ-Black, I did a direct comparison at home last year. I seem to remember the price per meter was around £30, £50, repectivly. I still run the same 8x2m of system cable now as then, Linn K20 at £5 per meter. Q-Blue was terible and I mean terible!!! Q-Black was excelent, a tad better than my K20, but only a 'tad'.

I wonder how things would be now since I have changed to a full valve amplification system, fancy stylus and MC cartridge, rather than the hybrid amp and average mm cartridge I was then using? . . . it would have to be bl**dy good to justify 16 meters of over priced hifi copper cable? :wall:

CJSF

 

[plastic penguin]

I can sort of understand entry-level cable being more benevolent or less revealing of systems not demonstrating a certain equilibrium, but usually the further you go up the ladder the more temperamental cables are then that's when one has to choose or be more choosey of cables. Probably haven't conveyed that very well... you know what I mean... I hope.

I think I know what you are getting at; and I find it hard to explain myself. When I say an expensive cable is sweeter, it doesn't mean it sounds like a cheap cable and is hiding a lot of detail..........in the same way as you can have 2 expensive amps, that are both very good, but sound very different.

Get that...

That's where my Leema falls down at the mo. I would describe it as a 'Warts and all' presentation, and on compressed remastered recordings it can sound a little sterile. But when it is a good recording it sounds ruddy marvellous. Based on that premise the blacks would not make my short-list of new cables.

 

[CnoEvil]

Get that...

That's where my Leema falls down at the mo. I would describe it as a 'Warts and all' presentation, and on compressed remastered recordings it can sound a little sterile. But when it is a good recording it sounds ruddy marvellous. Based on that premise the blacks would not make my short-list of new cables.

In theory I would agree.....but as you know, hifi can sometimes be as unpredictable as taste.

I also rate Atlas and Vertere (D-Fi range).

 

[BigH]

Oh boy, TQ-Blue, TQ-Black, I did a direct comparison at home last year. I seem to remember the price per meter was around £30, £50, repectivly. I still run the same 8x2m of system cable now as then, Linn K20 at £5 per meter. Q-Blue was terible and I mean terible!!! Q-Black was excelent, a tad better than my K20, but only a 'tad'.

I wonder how things would be now since I have changed to a full valve amplification system, fancy stylus and MC cartridge, rather than the hybrid amp and average mm cartridge I was then using? . . . it would have to be bl**dy good to justify 16 meters of over priced hifi copper cable? :wall:

CJSF

Did you burn the cables in for at least 70 hours?

 

[plastic penguin]

Get that...

That's where my Leema falls down at the mo. I would describe it as a 'Warts and all' presentation, and on compressed remastered recordings it can sound a little sterile. But when it is a good recording it sounds ruddy marvellous. Based on that premise the blacks would not make my short-list of new cables.

In theory I would agree.....but as you know, hifi can sometimes be as unpredictable as taste.

I also rate Atlas and Vertere (D-Fi range).

That's true - nothing is 'nailed on'. But those RS's tweeters does make one feel nervous, given how "system sensitive" they can be. They can sound fantastic but they are, with the Leema, on the sonic cusp. There's no margin for error.

 

[CJSF]

Oh boy, TQ-Blue, TQ-Black, I did a direct comparison at home last year. I seem to remember the price per meter was around £30, £50, repectivly. I still run the same 8x2m of system cable now as then, Linn K20 at £5 per meter. Q-Blue was terible and I mean terible!!! Q-Black was excelent, a tad better than my K20, but only a 'tad'.

I wonder how things would be now since I have changed to a full valve amplification system, fancy stylus and MC cartridge, rather than the hybrid amp and average mm cartridge I was then using? . . . it would have to be bl**dy good to justify 16 meters of over priced hifi copper cable? :wall:

CJSF

Did you burn the cables in for at least 70 hours?

They were the local hifi shops hand out, home audition sets, I have no idea how many hours they had but one presumes they were conditioned . . . ? I even tried the directionality of the cables, a factor that many dont accept . . .

 

[BronC]

Oh boy, TQ-Blue, TQ-Black, I did a direct comparison at home last year. I seem to remember the price per meter was around £30, £50, repectivly. I still run the same 8x2m of system cable now as then, Linn K20 at £5 per meter. Q-Blue was terible and I mean terible!!! Q-Black was excelent, a tad better than my K20, but only a 'tad'.

I wonder how things would be now since I have changed to a full valve amplification system, fancy stylus and MC cartridge, rather than the hybrid amp and average mm cartridge I was then using? . . . it would have to be bl**dy good to justify 16 meters of over priced hifi copper cable? :wall:

CJSF

Did you burn the cables in for at least 70 hours?

They were the local hifi shops hand out, home audition sets, I have no idea how many hours they had but one presumes they were conditioned . . . ? I even tried the directionality of the cables, a factor that many dont accept . . .

Just a point of slight correction?? TQ-Blue is £16:50 per meter not £30.

 

[ISAC69]

The best way to define the Q black is realistic cabels , they will not add any color or softness to the music , they wil not hide or exaggerate anything .

If you just want to listen to the music as it is than it is an excellent cable but if your hi fi system and/or your music sources are not good enough than it will be abovius immediately .

 

[CJSF]

Oh boy, TQ-Blue, TQ-Black, I did a direct comparison at home last year. I seem to remember the price per meter was around £30, £50, repectivly. I still run the same 8x2m of system cable now as then, Linn K20 at £5 per meter. Q-Blue was terible and I mean terible!!! Q-Black was excelent, a tad better than my K20, but only a 'tad'.

I wonder how things would be now since I have changed to a full valve amplification system, fancy stylus and MC cartridge, rather than the hybrid amp and average mm cartridge I was then using? . . . it would have to be bl**dy good to justify 16 meters of over priced hifi copper cable? :wall:

CJSF

Did you burn the cables in for at least 70 hours?

They were the local hifi shops hand out, home audition sets, I have no idea how many hours they had but one presumes they were conditioned . . . ? I even tried the directionality of the cables, a factor that many dont accept . . .

Just a point of slight correction?? TQ-Blue is £16:50 per meter not £30.

I stand corrected Bron-C . . . however, I wouId have not have given 'sixteen pence' for them in my system!

CJSF

 

[BenLaw]

The best way to define the Q black is realistic cabels , they will not add any color or softness to the music , they wil not hide or exaggerate anything .

If you just want to listen to the music as it is than it is an excellent cable but if your hi fi system and/or your music sources are not good enough than it will be abovius immediately .

I'm frequently intrigued by this sort of description for low or mid range cables. If a cable at £50 p/m, or whatever it is, adds nothing, takes nothing away and simply lets the music through (etc), what is to be gained from spending on higher end cables? I say that having read WHF and indeed someone like Cnoevil accepting the 'the best cable is no cable' principle.

Not just a question for ISAC69 btw, and I suspect it may be rhetorical.

 

[Anonymous]

[UNPUBLISHED - banned user]

The best way to define the Q black is realistic cabels , they will not add any color or softness to the music , they wil not hide or exaggerate anything .

If you just want to listen to the music as it is than it is an excellent cable but if your hi fi system and/or your music sources are not good enough than it will be abovius immediately .

I'm frequently intrigued by this sort of description for low or mid range cables. If a cable at £50 p/m, or whatever it is, adds nothing, takes nothing away and simply lets the music through (etc), what is to be gained from spending on higher end cables? I say that having read WHF and indeed someone like Cnoevil accepting the 'the best cable is no cable' principle.

Not just a question for ISAC69 btw, and I suspect it may be rhetorical.

That's a very good question.

 

[BenLaw]

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The best way to define the Q black is realistic cabels , they will not add any color or softness to the music , they wil not hide or exaggerate anything .

If you just want to listen to the music as it is than it is an excellent cable but if your hi fi system and/or your music sources are not good enough than it will be abovius immediately .

I'm frequently intrigued by this sort of description for low or mid range cables. If a cable at £50 p/m, or whatever it is, adds nothing, takes nothing away and simply lets the music through (etc), what is to be gained from spending on higher end cables? I say that having read WHF and indeed someone like Cnoevil accepting the 'the best cable is no cable' principle.

Not just a question for ISAC69 btw, and I suspect it may be rhetorical.

That's a very good question.

You'll probably like these questions as well then: http://www.whathifi.com/forum/hi-fi/tellurium-q-blackany-thoughts?page=4

which I now reaslise are rather similar.

 

[Anonymous]

[UNPUBLISHED - banned user]Yes I do like them, I'm looking forward to some answers

 

[BigH]

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Might get in trouble for this but i'm selling my TQ Blacks 2m terminated for £150 and my Chord Epics 3m (one end is bare wire) for £170 if anyones interested contact me on gocolesygo@hotmail.com (Just saving people from e(vil)Bay)

Why are you selling them, thought you were happy with them?

 

[BigH]

..........The Green are more forgiving.

The cheaper TQ Blues are said to be more tolerant as well, so from Blacks you can go up to Green or down to Blues. I imagine if your system or recordings have no weak points, Blacks also will truthfully reflect that - indeed, they will be brilliant! But the Greens give such a beautiful sound with everything - old system, new; old recordings, new.

So they should, at £149 per metre, it would cost me £1,490 for 2x5m runs, that is more than my system cost. You could buy some good gear for that.

 

[Anonymous]

The best way to define the Q black is realistic cabels , they will not add any color or softness to the music , they wil not hide or exaggerate anything .

If you just want to listen to the music as it is than it is an excellent cable but if your hi fi system and/or your music sources are not good enough than it will be abovius immediately .

I'm frequently intrigued by this sort of description for low or mid range cables. If a cable at £50 p/m, or whatever it is, adds nothing, takes nothing away and simply lets the music through (etc), what is to be gained from spending on higher end cables? I say that having read WHF and indeed someone like Cnoevil accepting the 'the best cable is no cable' principle.

Not just a question for ISAC69 btw, and I suspect it may be rhetorical.

That's a very good question.

 

[ISAC69]

The best way to define the Q black is realistic cabels , they will not add any color or softness to the music , they wil not hide or exaggerate anything .

If you just want to listen to the music as it is than it is an excellent cable but if your hi fi system and/or your music sources are not good enough than it will be abovius immediately .

I'm frequently intrigued by this sort of description for low or mid range cables. If a cable at £50 p/m, or whatever it is, adds nothing, takes nothing away and simply lets the music through (etc), what is to be gained from spending on higher end cables? I say that having read WHF and indeed someone like Cnoevil accepting the 'the best cable is no cable' principle.

Not just a question for ISAC69 btw, and I suspect it may be rhetorical.

That's a very good question.

To find cabels that simply lets the music through is not easy and thus they are expensive the Tellurium Q black is only an entry level for high end .

Cheap cabels do have a negative efect on the sound .

 

[BigH]

To find cabels that simply lets the music through is not easy and thus they are expensive the Tellurium Q black is only an entry level for high end .

Cheap cabels do have a negative efect on the sound .

What are you going to buy next?

 

[TrevC]

The best way to define the Q black is realistic cabels , they will not add any color or softness to the music , they wil not hide or exaggerate anything .

If you just want to listen to the music as it is than it is an excellent cable but if your hi fi system and/or your music sources are not good enough than it will be abovius immediately .

I'm frequently intrigued by this sort of description for low or mid range cables. If a cable at £50 p/m, or whatever it is, adds nothing, takes nothing away and simply lets the music through (etc), what is to be gained from spending on higher end cables? I say that having read WHF and indeed someone like Cnoevil accepting the 'the best cable is no cable' principle.

Not just a question for ISAC69 btw, and I suspect it may be rhetorical.

That's a very good question.

To find cabels that simply lets the music through is not easy and thus they are expensive the Tellurium Q black is only an entry level for high end .

Cheap cabels do have a negative efect on the sound .

Whether they are cheap or not is irrelevant. They need to be low resistance, and that means thick if you have a long run. There are a number of sellers selling inexpensive thick (4mm or so) multistrand cables on Ebay. My advice would be to buy something like that.

 

[TrevC]

Oh boy, TQ-Blue, TQ-Black, I did a direct comparison at home last year. I seem to remember the price per meter was around £30, £50, repectivly. I still run the same 8x2m of system cable now as then, Linn K20 at £5 per meter. Q-Blue was terible and I mean terible!!! Q-Black was excelent, a tad better than my K20, but only a 'tad'.

I wonder how things would be now since I have changed to a full valve amplification system, fancy stylus and MC cartridge, rather than the hybrid amp and average mm cartridge I was then using? . . . it would have to be bl**dy good to justify 16 meters of over priced hifi copper cable? :wall:

CJSF

Did you burn the cables in for at least 70 hours?

Cables don't need to be burned in. It's a myth.

 

[TrevC]

..........The Green are more forgiving.

The cheaper TQ Blues are said to be more tolerant as well, so from Blacks you can go up to Green or down to Blues. I imagine if your system or recordings have no weak points, Blacks also will truthfully reflect that - indeed, they will be brilliant! But the Greens give such a beautiful sound with everything - old system, new; old recordings, new.

So they should, at £149 per metre, it would cost me £1,490 for 2x5m runs, that is more than my system cost. You could buy some good gear for that.

That much? I guess there's one born every minute.

 

[BigH]

Good job I don't need any!

 

[MakkaPakka]

Presumably people spending several hundred quid on speaker cable have a near perfect system that measures within 3db across the whole frequency range.

Would be interested to see how those people have their listening space set up to achieve this

 

[ISAC69]

I am now testing the Tellurium Q Ultra Black RCA cabel for the weekend , entirely diferrent cabel than my Chord Chorus2 , My suspicion that the Chord is too bright was correct the TQ has more natural sound less "analitical" than the Chord and is more coherent and transparent , more details and the bass is more punchy .

After a short time burn-in suddenly my speakers "disappeared" and sound stage became spacious and 3 dim.

An excellent cabel a very good match with my TQ black speaker cabels .