Which of these DAC's is "best"?

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Your better of Listening to them both but its not just the DAC its also what your amplifier & speakers add in the mix to the over all sound .
Its a choice you have to make yourself afraid and trust your own ears and for get what magazines say or the internet sound is a personal choice .
Yeah tomorrow I get my optical cable, then I'm gonna test it out
I don't expect to hear a difference between the two
Does that mean it doesn't matter at all? hmm maybe
If I can't hear a difference (one being better than the other) I will just use the optical connection and let the receiver-amp handle the DAC
 
Yeah tomorrow I get my optical cable, then I'm gonna test it out
I don't expect to hear a difference between the two
Does that mean it doesn't matter at all? hmm maybe
If I can't hear a difference (one being better than the other) I will just use the optical connection and let the receiver-amp handle the DAC
what ever pleasing to the ear really
 
Yeah tomorrow I get my optical cable, then I'm gonna test it out
I don't expect to hear a difference between the two
Does that mean it doesn't matter at all? hmm maybe
If I can't hear a difference (one being better than the other) I will just use the optical connection and let the receiver-amp handle the DAC
Now we’re into the realm of expectation bias……
 
Hi
I got a Yamaha R-N600A receiver amp, and just bought a used Yamaha CD-S300 CD player/deck (don't have it yet)

Both have optical connection. And I'm wondering if I should use it or not
Which unit do you think has the best quality DAC?

The R-N600A has "SABRE ES9080Q 384kHz/32-bit (ESS)" DAC
CD-S300 has "Burr-Brown 192kHz/24-bit" DAC

If the R-N600A has the best DAC then I will use the optical connection and let the receiver handle the conversion.
If the CD-S300 DAC seems best then I will use its analog outputs instead

Maybe it's much a matter of "which sound character do I like most" of the two DAC's, and maybe I gotta try it out
But would like to know which one is technically best

Thank you
I would surely try using the CD-S300 without a DAC first. I have the S303 and it sounds great. Of course if you have a DAC in the amp then try both. No one can tell you which will sound best to you. A copper connection with a coaxial cable will give you better bass then the optical connection.
 
I hypothesize, this possibly due to optical having a restricted bandwidth than coax?
I don't know if there's been any meaningful tests out there, to validate these claims?
Optical bandwidth is beyond that of CD standard, 24bit 96KHz I believe, COAX goes to 24bit 192KHz. Still shouldn't have any detrimental affect for most digital music, especially as only short cables will be involved.
 
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Yep that's very true.👍 Maybe there's another explanation, Confirmation bias, placebo? 🙂
Must be. Because the bandwidth of a digital signal couldn’t change the tonality, even if it could reduce the bit depth.

Everyone knows that copper cable sounds warmer than that glassy or plasticy optical stuff though! Don’t they? 🤭😉😇
 
Hi
I got a Yamaha R-N600A receiver amp, and just bought a used Yamaha CD-S300 CD player/deck (don't have it yet)

Both have optical connection. And I'm wondering if I should use it or not
Which unit do you think has the best quality DAC?

The R-N600A has "SABRE ES9080Q 384kHz/32-bit (ESS)" DAC
CD-S300 has "Burr-Brown 192kHz/24-bit" DAC

If the R-N600A has the best DAC then I will use the optical connection and let the receiver handle the conversion.
If the CD-S300 DAC seems best then I will use its analog outputs instead

Maybe it's much a matter of "which sound character do I like most" of the two DAC's, and maybe I gotta try it out
But would like to know which one is technically best

Thank you
A lot of people here (and through other forums) mention things like warmth and color and clinical/analytical with these two DACs. To me, it's a rabbit hole.

DACs are meant to convert the digital signal back to analog... that should absolutely be the most accurate & purest representation of the original content. If Burr Brown chips add color and its pleasing, that's great....but often times, if you listen to various styles of music, you may not be able to dial in your sound. For example, the warm/colorful DAC might work great with rock or heavy metal, as it takes some of the bite off the high-end...but that warmth/color is not suitable when playing classical or jazz, where clarity and "airiness" is preferred. Most rock listeners play music loud, so that added color may be of more benefit at those levels...again, to take the edge off and perhaps soften some poorly mixed music.

But even considering that, your speakers and equipment will add more sonic signature than any DAC will. So if you already have warm /colored speakers perhaps the sabre would compliment them better. More clinical speakers (Klipsch come to mind) may benefit from the added warmth of the BB chip.

I actually think there is a placebo effect with Burr Brown. The color brown is synonymous with warmth...a great example is the "Brown" sound, popularized by Eddie Van Halen's early guitar gear. It's also a color associated with the 70's and vintage gear with wooden cabs, etc....that warm/vintage vibe, which is important to some people...me too at times.

The reality is that my friends would have no clue if I invited them over and changed the DAC after 30 minutes without them knowing. I do think they would be able to tell if I flipped the A/B on my speakers or even put a different stylus on my turntable...although even that, if I had them leave the room and readjust their ears, they probably wouldn't notice when they returned. For me, I'd go with the Sabre that way you can be assured that any musical artifacts or color will not be on your front end in the analog conversion stage..i.e., a clean slate to work with. Then if you want that BB sound for certain moods, maybe there is a way to put a selector switch to take advantage of the CD output DAC.
 
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A lot of people here (and through other forums) mention things like warmth and color and clinical/analytical with these two DACs. It's a rabbit hole. DACs are meant to convert the digital signal back to analog... that should absolutely be the most accurate representation of the original content. If Burr Brown chips add color and its pleasing, that's great....but often times, if you listen to various styles of music, you may not be able to dial in your sound. For example, the warm/colorful DAC might work great with rock or heavy metal, as it takes some of the bite off the high-end...but that warmth/color is not suitable when playing classical or jazz, where clarity and "airiness" seems to shine. But even considering that, your speakers and equipment will add more sonic signature than any DAC will. So if you already have warm /colored speakers perhaps the sabre would compliment them better. More clinical speakers (Klipsch come to mind) may benefit from the added warmth of the BB chip. I actually think there is a placebo effect with Burr Brown. The color brown is synonymous with warmth...a great example is the "Brown" sound, popularized by Eddie Van Halen's early guitar gear. It's also a color associated with vintage gear with wooden cabs, etc....again, associated with that warm/vintage vibe, which is important to some people. Again, it's a rabbit hole. My friends would have no clue if I invited them over and changed the DAC after 30 minutes without them knowing. I do think they would be able to tell if I flipped the A/B on my speakers or even put a different stylus on my turntable...although even that, if I had them leave the room and readjust their ears, they probably wouldn't notice when they returned. For me, I'd go with the Sabre that way you can be assured that any musical artifacts or color will not be on your front end in the analog conversion stage. Exceptions noted above, of course.
Great first post 👍
You could put a few spaces / paragraphs in to make posts easier to read.
(Some people don't bother to read otherwise).
 
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Great first post 👍
You could put a few spaces / paragraphs in to make posts easier to read.
(Some people don't bother to read otherwise).
Thanks for the tip - just edited. I didn't realize how long it actually was :grinning:
 
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