When are the AVI ADM40s coming and how much will they be ?

[Overdose]

Oldric, I think you are placing a construction on it which simply doesn't exist.

It's simply the way that the distance selling regulations work.

A friend of mine recently ordered a new Mercedes Benz. He bought it on the basis of his specification by choosing from the options list, and collected personally from the factory in Germany and drove it home to the UK.

I don't think Mercedes would have entertained him saying 'I don't like it'. He did however think it was wonderful. He also said that a convertible model had been released since he ordered, so he might sell it and order that instead.

I think that AVI loudspeakers have an even stronger resale value than Mercedes cars, although I have not researched it.

JC

We bought a new car unseen last year, but had the opportunity to test drive it - and several alternatives - at a wide range of local dealerships before we committed to buy.

Consumers should have the chance to try before they buy.

So not a bespoke, built to order model then?

 

[Clare Newsome]

Yes it was built to order - but we could test drive the same core model (same engine size etc) to see if it was right for us. Just the options change - not the core performance.

It would like being able to demo a walnut pair of speakers before deciding you liked them and ordering a cherry version to suit.

In fact...that's a plan - AVI could have one or two demo sets of speakers it could send out to prospective customers on trial (when they'd paid a deposit). If they liked them, their deposit would go towards a new pair in the finish of their choice, and the demo pair move on the the next potential buyer. Wouldn't cost a lot, especially with the high take-up/low return rate involved.

 

[Overdose]

Would there have been any financial penalties if you decided not to have the car? A lost deposit for example?

 

[Clare Newsome]

Would there have been any financial penalties if you decided not to have the car? A lost deposit for example?

Probably, but it wasn't an issue. We had a test drive of several different brands -each for at least a day - before making our minds up on what to buy. Everything else after that was about finish rather than performance - choosing the colour, frills etc. We knew what we were getting.

 

[John Duncan]

In fact...that's a plan - AVI could have one or two demo sets of speakers it could send out to prospective customers on trial (when they'd paid a deposit). If they liked them, their deposit would go towards a new pair in the finish of their choice, and the demo pair move on the the next potential buyer. Wouldn't cost a lot, especially with the high take-up/low return rate involved.

I'd pay the shipping if that was the deal...

 

[John Duncan]

choosing the colour, frills etc

Women, eh?

 

[oldric_naubhoff]

Oldric, I think you are placing a construction on it which simply doesn't exist.

It's simply the way that the distance selling regulations work.

I think I get the idea how distance selling regulations work. I just don't get the idea why AVI is so reluctant to offer their premium model on the same selling basis as the cheaper one? but please, don't rush in to explain why! TBH I sincerely don't care why. I just have a laugh at AVI's inconsistent sales model.

 

[Overdose]

I'm sure AVI are quite happy with the arrangement, or they would change it.

 

[alchemist 1]

Oldric, I think you are placing a construction on it which simply doesn't exist.

It's simply the way that the distance selling regulations work.

A friend of mine recently ordered a new Mercedes Benz. He bought it on the basis of his specification by choosing from the options list, and collected personally from the factory in Germany and drove it home to the UK.

I don't think Mercedes would have entertained him saying 'I don't like it'. He did however think it was wonderful. He also said that a convertible model had been released since he ordered, so he might sell it and order that instead.

I think that AVI loudspeakers have an even stronger resale value than Mercedes cars, although I have not researched it.

JC

Recession ! What recession ? :O

 

[the record spot]

In fact...that's a plan - AVI could have one or two demo sets of speakers it could send out to prospective customers on trial (when they'd paid a deposit). If they liked them, their deposit would go towards a new pair in the finish of their choice, and the demo pair move on the the next potential buyer. Wouldn't cost a lot, especially with the high take-up/low return rate involved.

This is how Audio Sanctum operate with their XTZ amps - try at home for three weeks and if you don't like it, send it back and all you pay is postage.

That's alright for a 15kg amp though, you can get that done by courier for the cost of the amp and weight for under £15. Might be trickier for something that's going to be around 40kgs or more all in. My old Mission 752s were 18kgs each so I'm assuming the '40s will be heavier.

 

[John Duncan]

I'm assuming the '40s will be heavier.

If you wait a minute, I'm sure jcbrum will know (together with courier costs, if you have your postcode to hand).

 

[the record spot]

Here's the Audio Sanctum home demo page with all relevant info - I liked this approach I must say, seems to be a good halfway house and the costs are relatively minimal.

http://www.audiosanctum.co.uk/demo-facility.html

 

[simonlewis]

Forget the hifi the shed is awesome i wonder how much it costs.

 

[simonlewis]

Audio sanctum offer free collection from train station, free tea or coffee & biscuits listen to hifi of your choice, sounds like a grand day out if you ask me, i suppose you would feel a bit guilty if you didn't buy anything.

 

[Ajani]

Forget the hifi the shed is awesome i wonder how much it costs.

+1

That is a sweeeet audio shed... Talk about the ultimate man cave....

 

[AlmaataKZ]

Forget the hifi the shed is awesome i wonder how much it costs.

+1

That is a sweeeet audio shed... Talk about the ultimate man cave....

+1. A friedn of mine is currently building a shed - around his hifi! Can't wait to see it.

I think the approach to demo-ing when the cutormer pays the shipping in case of not buying is very fair and allows for more availability of demos for the more obscure products. I hope AVI will think of something to avoid the 'made to order' restriction somehow.

 

[shooter]

So these ADM 40's, is there a way of bypassing the internal DAC gubbings to use solely as an active?

 

[Dan Turner]

So these ADM 40's, is there a way of bypassing the internal DAC gubbings to use solely as an active?

There are analogue inputs, so you can by-pass the DAC, and they remember the volume level that each input is set to independently, so you could use one of the analogue inputs as a fixed input by setting it to the appropriate volume and then not changing it, but you can't by-pass the circuitry of the pre-amp, if that makes sense.

edit - although presumably if you wanted to you could just order 2 of the 'slave' speakers which AFAIK are just an active speaker with an RCA input like any other

 

[AlmaataKZ]

Here is the back of the master speaker

 

[richardw42]

Yes.

There are 2 analogue inputs as well as the 4 digital. B

EDIT sorry when I posted Dans reply hadn't shown up.

 

[Ajani]

So these ADM 40's, is there a way of bypassing the internal DAC gubbings to use solely as an active?

There are analogue inputs, so you can by-pass the DAC, and they remember the volume level that each input is set to independently, so you could use one of the analogue inputs as a fixed input by setting it to the appropriate volume and then not changing it, but you can't by-pass the circuitry of the pre-amp, if that makes sense.

edit - although presumably if you wanted to you could just order 2 of the 'slave' speakers which AFAIK are just an active speaker with an RCA input like any other

Option 1 - Using the analogue inputs sounds like a good choice.

Option 2 - Ordering 2 slave speakers sounds like a bad choice. What makes the ADM series special are the remote controlled preamp and DAC. Take that away and you just have a pair of active speakers. If you later want to sell, I suspect it would be much harder to seduce buyers to take 2 slaves off your hand rather than a complete ADM40.

 

[oldric_naubhoff]

Option 2 - Ordering 2 slave speakers sounds like a bad choice. What makes the ADM series special are the remote controlled preamp and DAC. Take that away and you just have a pair of active speakers. If you later want to sell, I suspect it would be much harder to seduce buyers to take 2 slaves off your hand rather than a complete ADM40.

TBH I'd rather have two slaves. I'd like to choose preamp and DAC myself. I don't trust AVI... >)

 

[Ajani]

Option 2 - Ordering 2 slave speakers sounds like a bad choice. What makes the ADM series special are the remote controlled preamp and DAC. Take that away and you just have a pair of active speakers. If you later want to sell, I suspect it would be much harder to seduce buyers to take 2 slaves off your hand rather than a complete ADM40.

TBH I'd rather have two slaves. I'd like to choose preamp and DAC myself. I don't trust AVI... >)

If you don't trust AVI then you wouldn't even buy two slaves.

 

[Anonymous]

Option 2 - Ordering 2 slave speakers sounds like a bad choice. What makes the ADM series special are the remote controlled preamp and DAC. Take that away and you just have a pair of active speakers. If you later want to sell, I suspect it would be much harder to seduce buyers to take 2 slaves off your hand rather than a complete ADM40.

TBH I'd rather have two slaves. I'd like to choose preamp and DAC myself. I don't trust AVI... >)

Why?

 

[Ajani]

Option 2 - Ordering 2 slave speakers sounds like a bad choice. What makes the ADM series special are the remote controlled preamp and DAC. Take that away and you just have a pair of active speakers. If you later want to sell, I suspect it would be much harder to seduce buyers to take 2 slaves off your hand rather than a complete ADM40.

TBH I'd rather have two slaves. I'd like to choose preamp and DAC myself. I don't trust AVI... >)

Why?

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