When are the AVI ADM40s coming and how much will they be ?

[jcbrum]

I suspect AVI are just being ultra-conservative by releasing the 40s as special order. My hope is that they will drop the special order nonsense as soon as sales for the 40s reach a level they are comfortable with. Otherwise they do risk losing potential buyers, as many persons are not willing to buy blind with no return option.

From what I have seen, during several factory visits, ADM40s are made to order.

When sufficient orders have been received a batch of cabinets is ordered in the specified finishes, and the requisite electronics are constructed. Assembly, testing, and despatch then follows.

The requirement for 'made to order' sorts out two important factors. It differentiates between serious buyers and 'time wasters', and it avoids unnecessary and expensive idle inventory.

It seems to me that AVI are entitled to run their business as they see fit, and they have been very successful for the last 20 years or so, in spite of the trend in HiFi markets. They don't seem to have any shortage of orders, or of satisfied customers.

JC

 

[shropshire lad]

I suspect AVI are just being ultra-conservative by releasing the 40s as special order. My hope is that they will drop the special order nonsense as soon as sales for the 40s reach a level they are comfortable with. Otherwise they do risk losing potential buyers, as many persons are not willing to buy blind with no return option.

From what I have seen, during several factory visits, ADM40s are made to order.

When sufficient orders have been received a batch of cabinets is ordered in the specified finishes, and the requisite electronics are constructed. Assembly, testing, and despatch then follows.

The requirement for 'made to order' sorts out two important factors. It differentiates between serious buyers and 'time wasters', and it avoids unnecessary and expensive idle inventory.

It seems to me that AVI are entitled to run their business as they see fit, and they have been very successful for the last 20 years or so, in spite of the trend in HiFi markets. They don't seem to have any shortage of orders, or of satisfied customers.

JC

I am not convinced that your argument that made to order seperates serious buyers and time wasters holds water . How many people are able to spend £3-4000 on a pair of speakers on a whim and then send them back knowing that they will have to incur return postage charges ? Not many I bet .

In addition , as these are a very new product , there will be no idle inventory as they will be taking new orders every day . Even then there will be their existing retailers who will want to sell them .

You are absolutely right , they are entitled to run their company how they want , it just seems mean spirited to use the law in this way when most other companies are more that happy to accept returns on products they sell that haven't been heard before buying .

 

[chebby]

Sell them on ebay if you don't like them.

 

[Anonymous]

I suspect AVI are just being ultra-conservative by releasing the 40s as special order. My hope is that they will drop the special order nonsense as soon as sales for the 40s reach a level they are comfortable with. Otherwise they do risk losing potential buyers, as many persons are not willing to buy blind with no return option.

From what I have seen, during several factory visits, ADM40s are made to order.

When sufficient orders have been received a batch of cabinets is ordered in the specified finishes, and the requisite electronics are constructed. Assembly, testing, and despatch then follows.

The requirement for 'made to order' sorts out two important factors. It differentiates between serious buyers and 'time wasters', and it avoids unnecessary and expensive idle inventory.

It seems to me that AVI are entitled to run their business as they see fit, and they have been very successful for the last 20 years or so, in spite of the trend in HiFi markets. They don't seem to have any shortage of orders, or of satisfied customers.

JC

I am not convinced that your argument that made to order seperates serious buyers and time wasters holds water . How many people are able to spend £3-4000 on a pair of speakers on a whim and then send them back knowing that they will have to incur return postage charges ? Not many I bet .

In addition , as these are a very new product , there will be no idle inventory as they will be taking new orders every day . Even then there will be their existing retailers who will want to sell them .

You are absolutely right , they are entitled to run their company how they want , it just seems mean spirited to use the law in this way when most other companies are more that happy to accept returns on products they sell that haven't been heard before buying .

Many owners of ADMs are usually happy to let someone have a listen if you're nearby.

 

[daveh75]

Many owners of ADMs are usually happy to let someone have a listen if you're nearby.

Fine if you live close to someone with a pair, but owners doing AVIs job for them isn't really an adequate solution...

 

[jcbrum]

Many owners of ADMs are usually happy to let someone have a listen if you're nearby.

Fine if you live close to someone with a pair, but owners doing AVIs job for them isn't really an adequate solution...

AVI are happy to demo their loudspeakers, by audition, at any time by appointment.

Ashley usually does it in his own home environment, and AVI usually provides lunch at favourite local restaurants.

AVI have their own direct sales outlet.

The ADM40 loudspeakers are not usually available at dealers because the price does not include any amount to pay the dealer.

I have been told that some dealers can order them, but since there is only one price, they will have to pay the same price as anyone else.

I understand a couple of dealers have sold them, and presumably came to an arrangement with their customer regarding a charge for their services.

Seems ok to me.

JC

 

[Ajani]

Many owners of ADMs are usually happy to let someone have a listen if you're nearby.

Fine if you live close to someone with a pair, but owners doing AVIs job for them isn't really an adequate solution...

AVI are happy to demo their loudspeakers, by audition, at any time by appointment.

Ashley usually does it in his own home environment, and AVI usually provides lunch at favourite local restaurants.

AVI have their own direct sales outlet.

The ADM40 loudspeakers are not usually available at dealers because the price does not include any amount to pay the dealer.

I have been told that some dealers can order them, but since there is only one price, they will have to pay the same price as anyone else.

I understand a couple of dealers have sold them, and presumably came to an arrangement with their customer regarding a charge for their services.

Seems ok to me.

JC

And for AVI's overseas customer (which according to the AVI website is "where the majority will go")? Are we expected to fly to england to audition at AVI's factory? Or maybe fly to the nearest country where there is an owner with a pair of 40's?

 

[daveh75]

AVI are happy to demo their loudspeakers, by audition, at any time by appointment.

Ashley usually does it in his own home environment, and AVI usually provides lunch at favourite local restaurants.

Fine if you're close by.

It would mean a 600 mile round trip for me, so more time and money than i'd prepaired to invest just to demo a pair of speakers (or any 'hifi' equipment for that matter).

AVI have their own direct sales outlet.

I know. I wouldn't personally be prepaired to spend £3750 on a whim.

 

[Ajani]

I suspect AVI are just being ultra-conservative by releasing the 40s as special order. My hope is that they will drop the special order nonsense as soon as sales for the 40s reach a level they are comfortable with. Otherwise they do risk losing potential buyers, as many persons are not willing to buy blind with no return option.

From what I have seen, during several factory visits, ADM40s are made to order.

When sufficient orders have been received a batch of cabinets is ordered in the specified finishes, and the requisite electronics are constructed. Assembly, testing, and despatch then follows.

The requirement for 'made to order' sorts out two important factors. It differentiates between serious buyers and 'time wasters', and it avoids unnecessary and expensive idle inventory.

It seems to me that AVI are entitled to run their business as they see fit, and they have been very successful for the last 20 years or so, in spite of the trend in HiFi markets. They don't seem to have any shortage of orders, or of satisfied customers.

JC

They are free to run their business as they see fit and consumers are free to criticise it as we see fit.

I see no difference in the variety of finishes or customization (or more accurately lack of cusomization) options for the 40 or 9T. The only logical reason I can see for special order is that the 40s are a lot more expensive and AVI is afraid to tie up their cashflow by holding stock. So I expect that once they are confident of the demand for the 40s they will start to stock it like the 9Ts and sell with the same return option.

As for differentiating between serious buyers and 'time wasters' - according to Ashley they've had less than a half dozen returns in around 3000 orders of the 9T. So clearly time wasters are NOT an issue for them.

 

[jcbrum]

As for differentiating between serious buyers and 'time wasters' - according to Ashley they've had less than a half dozen returns in around 3000 orders of the 9T. So clearly time wasters are NOT an issue for them.

I think your figure of 3000 orders is out of date. That figure was passed some considerable time ago.

As far avoiding time wasters is concerned, - their policies seem to be working.

JC

 

[jcbrum]

I know. I wouldn't personally be prepaired to spend £3750 on a whim.

I don't think that AVI wish to cater for customers who 'purchase on a whim' and then change their mind 'on a whim'.

Perhaps you are the type of customer they are seeking to avoid ?

JC

 

[John Duncan]

I think your figure of 3000 orders is out of date. That figure was passed some considerable time ago.

What are they now then?

 

[atticus]

AVI are happy to demo their loudspeakers, by audition, at any time by appointment.

Ashley usually does it in his own home environment, and AVI usually provides lunch at favourite local restaurants.

Fine if you're close by.

It would mean a 600 mile round trip for me, so more time and money than i'd prepaired to invest just to demo a pair of speakers (or any 'hifi' equipment for that matter).

So don't buy them.

 

[atticus]

AVI have their own direct sales outlet.

I know. I wouldn't personally be prepaired to spend £3750 on a whim.

Then don't.

 

[altruistic.lemon]

[UNPUBLISHED BY JD]


Jcbrum is a close mate of Ashley James. He regularly shills AVI products on other forums, notably pinkfishmedia. Take everything he says with a huge grain of salt. AVI make decent products. don't understand why they descend to this level for their marketing.

 

[atticus]

[UNPUBLISHED BY JD]

Jcbrum is a close mate of Ashley James. He regularly shills AVI products on other forums, notably pinkfishmedia. Take everything he says with a huge grain of salt. AVI make decent products. don't understand why they descend to this level for their marketing.

Aha! I did wonder that the descent into personal attacks seemed overdue! Well done, Mr Lemon.

 

[Overdose]

[UNPUBLISHED BY JD]
altruistic.lemon wrote:
Jcbrum is a close mate of Ashley James. He regularly shills AVI products on other forums, notably pinkfishmedia. Take everything he says with a huge grain of salt. AVI make decent products. don't understand why they descend to this level for their marketing.

Another bitter and unneccessary comment by yourself. Does this negativity pervade your non virtual life as well?

I pity you.

 

[Frank Harvey]

The ADM40 loudspeakers are not usually available at dealers because the price does not include any amount to pay the dealer.

I have been told that some dealers can order them, but since there is only one price, they will have to pay the same price as anyone else.

Just curious, as I'm trying to understand it - a dealer can order them for their customers for the same price their customers would pay buying direct? So the dealer has to charge £3k (rrp) plus VAT minimum?

 

[altruistic.lemon]

[UNPUBLISHED BY JD]

Do a search. You'll find I'm correct. If he admits to the truth, then that's fine. oh, and try to see beyond your own stupidity.

 

[John Duncan]

Tidied up (sigh)...

 

[jcbrum]

Tidied up (sigh)...

Thanks JD.

FH, I don't speak for AVI, but I was asked by the customer of a dealer in Birmingham, who knew that I was shortly going to audition the ADM40s, whether I could persuade Ashley to supply his dealer.

I asked the question, and was told there was only one ex-works price, and it was the same for everyone, dealers included. No dealer margin has been built in to the price.

Therefore it's a level playing field, for all customers, and I presume if a dealer wishes to accomodate his customer, he can suggest an appropriate charge for the service rendered.

JC

 

[oldric_naubhoff]

I know. I wouldn't personally be prepaired to spend £3750 on a whim.

I don't think that AVI wish to cater for customers who 'purchase on a whim' and then change their mind 'on a whim'.

Perhaps you are the type of customer they are seeking to avoid ?

JC

but if AVI's products are half as successful as they claim on their forum (like a handful of returns in 3000 orders) why would they be so cautious as not to offer all of their products with option to retuning? I mean there would be no returns anyway since everybody would be falling in love with their new "on a whim" purchase from the very first notes heard played by the speakers? no?

 

[jcbrum]

Oldric, I think you are placing a construction on it which simply doesn't exist.

It's simply the way that the distance selling regulations work.

A friend of mine recently ordered a new Mercedes Benz. He bought it on the basis of his specification by choosing from the options list, and collected personally from the factory in Germany and drove it home to the UK.

I don't think Mercedes would have entertained him saying 'I don't like it'. He did however think it was wonderful. He also said that a convertible model had been released since he ordered, so he might sell it and order that instead.

I think that AVI loudspeakers have an even stronger resale value than Mercedes cars, although I have not researched it.

JC

 

[John Duncan]

I think that AVI loudspeakers have an even stronger resale value than Mercedes cars, although I have not researched it.

Suzuki, Skoda and Fiat had better resale values than Mercedes Benz in 2011.

 

[Clare Newsome]

Oldric, I think you are placing a construction on it which simply doesn't exist.

It's simply the way that the distance selling regulations work.

A friend of mine recently ordered a new Mercedes Benz. He bought it on the basis of his specification by choosing from the options list, and collected personally from the factory in Germany and drove it home to the UK.

I don't think Mercedes would have entertained him saying 'I don't like it'. He did however think it was wonderful. He also said that a convertible model had been released since he ordered, so he might sell it and order that instead.

I think that AVI loudspeakers have an even stronger resale value than Mercedes cars, although I have not researched it.

JC

We bought a new car unseen last year, but had the opportunity to test drive it - and several alternatives - at a wide range of local dealerships before we committed to buy.

Consumers should have the chance to try before they buy, IMO - but I admire the fact AVI encourages existing owners of its product to offer that service to prospective customers.