When a product just screams quality... pics inside

[Anonymous]

MattSPL:Tarquinh:MattSPL:Tarquinh:MattSPL:
Very nice machine.

Just a tip, seen as you have the case off it. Replace any fuses the cd player has with Hifi Tuning fuses and use a good quality mains cable. This will bring the cd player to another level of realism. Amazing. I take it you haven't heard the T+A then? The only extra realism it could bring was if it could project holographic images of the musicians and singers into the room

I take it you haven't heard hifi tuning fuses in a good system then. Or a good Wadia machine

No, because a good system doesn't need hifi tuning fuses.

Believe me it does. The better the system, the easier to hear the improvements. A standard fuse isn't made within tight tolerances and uses cheap copper alloy as its fuse wire. Copper oxide doesnt conduct well, so a fuse deteriorates over time.

A hifi tuning fuse uses pure silver as its burn wire. This conducts better than copper and silver oxide is a good conductor also. Simple.
Believe me, it doesn't. Only an fool would go out and waste £25 on such nonsense. Me, I'd rather give the money to charity, where at least it might do some good.

 

[MattSPL]

Tarquinh:MattSPL:Tarquinh:MattSPL:Tarquinh:MattSPL:
Very nice machine.

Just a tip, seen as you have the case off it. Replace any fuses the cd player has with Hifi Tuning fuses and use a good quality mains cable. This will bring the cd player to another level of realism. Amazing. I take it you haven't heard the T+A then? The only extra realism it could bring was if it could project holographic images of the musicians and singers into the room

I take it you haven't heard hifi tuning fuses in a good system then. Or a good Wadia machine

No, because a good system doesn't need hifi tuning fuses.

Believe me it does. The better the system, the easier to hear the improvements. A standard fuse isn't made within tight tolerances and uses cheap copper alloy as its fuse wire. Copper oxide doesnt conduct well, so a fuse deteriorates over time.

A hifi tuning fuse uses pure silver as its burn wire. This conducts better than copper and silver oxide is a good conductor also. Simple.

Believe me, it doesn't. Only an fool would go out and waste £25 on such nonsense. Me, I'd rather give the money to charity, where at least it might do some good.

Normally i trust my ears and dont listen to the science part, but you cant get away from the fact that better electrical connections and conduction makes for better performance of anything electrical, and in hifi it makes for better sound.

Silver is a better conductor than copper. End of story.

 

[the record spot]

You had me at the point where it automatically makes for better sound. That's the kind of absolutist comment that gets challenged and for good reason. £25 on a fuse that a 3p one does just as well is worthy of challenge. When the better connection equals audibly improved as a result, then I'll be in. My experience to date suggests that snake oil doesn't just come in bottles these days, but ever smaller packaging...

 

[matthewpiano]

When it comes down to things like £25 fuses it goes too far for me.

I'm with Tarquinh, and RS, on this one.

 

[drummerman]

matthewpiano:When it comes down to things like £25 fuses it goes too far for me. I'm with Tarquinh, and RS, on this one.

Problem is, unless you have used these it's difficult ... na impossible to comment about either value or result.

 

[matthewpiano]

I agree DM, but for me it is still going too far. Where does it all stop?

 

[Anonymous]

drummerman:
matthewpiano:When it comes down to things like £25 fuses it goes too far for me. I'm with Tarquinh, and RS, on this one.

Problem is, unless you have used these it's difficult ... na impossible to comment about either value or result.

I'm not so sure about that. I mean, I'm told cyanide is poisonous, but I don't intend knowingly to try it and see

.

It's up to those who make these claims to prove it, after all. You can do that easily by selling these trinkets through regular hifi outlets and allowing people to demo there. As far as I'm aware that doesn't happen.

You could also use that by explaining the science, but that isn't going to happen either. Either way, the onus is on the purveyors of the items in question, and people can comment as much as they like.

 

[MattSPL]

I find that in general, the people who disagree with things like mains cables and fuses, have never tried them before because they are sceptical. Or may have tried a £30 mains cable and not heard much/any difference over the standard cable.

I can understand why people are put off spending £500 on a mains cable when a perfectly good amp or cd player can be had for the same money, but at the end of the day, if you want more from your equipment you have to try these things. If your happy with the sound of your system, and are content in thinking that a £25 fuse is snake oil then that is fine.

But im always seeking to get the best from my investments, even if it means taking a chance on a £200 cable or £25 fuse.

 

[Anonymous]

So can you present a case as to why we should? Perhaps also organise some demos for us poor unworthy cynics?

 

[drummerman]

Tarquinh:So can you present a case as to why we should? Perhaps also organise some demos for us poor unworthy cynics?

Well Tarquinh, whilst I don't disagree with you that twenty quid is a lot for a fuse, if people have say an expensive amplifier, such as Joel's or others here, have spent good money on everything from mains cables to racks and just want to put the dot on the i with said fuses, twenty quid or not, it's just another outlay in the greater scheme of things and may just bring the improvement to justify the expense.

It may not but I wouldn't know and you don't know either (i assume) other than being outraged at the price of the thing, which I can understand.

If you would say that they (probably) don't make any sense in a reasonably priced system ... I agree as there are probably better ways to look for improvements but again ... I couldn't say for sure simply because I never tried them.

 

[shooter]

drummerman:Well Tarquinh, whilst I don't disagree with you that twenty quid is a lot for a fuse, if people have say an expensive amplifier, such as Joel's or others here, have spent good money on everything from mains cables to racks and just want to put the dot on the i with said fuses, twenty quid or not, it's just another outlay in the greater scheme of things and may just bring the improvement to justify the expense.

It may not but I wouldn't know and you don't know either (i assume) other than being outraged at the price of the thing, which I can understand.

If you would say that they (probably) don't make any sense in a reasonably priced system ... I agree as there are probably better ways to look for improvements but again ... I couldn't say for sure simply because I never tried them.

 

[MattSPL]

Im not one for proving or disproving a product on scientific terms and measurements, because half the time it is impossible to test such things.

I use my ears only.

But, if you must have some scientific evidence that a £25 fuse is better than a 20p fuse, the silver burn wire is the evidence. Better conductor = better current transfer = better sound. I cant provide anymore answers than that im afraid.

If you fancy a holiday to Ireland i will be happy to demonstrate when i have my new system.

I can see where spending £25 on a fuse in a system with a total value £500 or even £1000 is excessive, but ive had systems that would cost £20k with all components bought new. From this point of view, a £25 fuse is pocket money and worth a try, which is what i did and reaped the benefits.

I had a Krell Kav300i amplifier last year. I replaced all 7 fuses in it with Hifi tuning fuses at the cost of about £150. It turned this amp into a completely different machine. The highs were no longer harsh at high volumes. The glare was gone from the mids when pushed hard, and the bass had a new found weight and drive. These massive improvements could not be had any other way with other upgrades. This is the beauty of the fuses. The icing on the cake that so many are missing out on.

 

[Anonymous]

drummerman:
Tarquinh:So can you present a case as to why we should? Perhaps also organise some demos for us poor unworthy cynics?

Well Tarquinh, whilst I don't disagree with you that twenty quid is a lot for a fuse, if people have say an expensive amplifier, such as Joel's or others here, have spent good money on everything from mains cables to racks and just want to put the dot on the i with said fuses, twenty quid or not, it's just another outlay in the greater scheme of things and may just bring the improvement to justify the expense.

It may not but I wouldn't know and you don't know either (i assume) other than being outraged at the price of the thing, which I can understand.

If you would say that they (probably) don't make any sense in a reasonably priced system ... I agree as there are probably better ways to look for improvements but again ... I couldn't say for sure simply because I never tried them.I think you've missed my point.

 

[Dave_]

MattSPL:
But, if you must have some scientific evidence that a £25 fuse is better than a 20p fuse, the silver burn wire is the evidence. Better conductor = better current transfer = better sound. I cant provide anymore answers than that im afraid.You're talking about a very thin piece of wire about an inch long. The differences in conductance, etc between materials will be miniscule if at all measurable on a wire as short and thin as fuse wire..

 

[Anonymous]

MattSPL:
Im not one for proving or disproving a product on scientific terms and measurements, because half the time it is impossible to test such things.

I use my ears only.

But, if you must have some scientific evidence that a £25 fuse is better than a 20p fuse, the silver burn wire is the evidence. Better conductor = better current transfer = better sound. I cant provide anymore answers than that im afraid.

If you fancy a holiday to Ireland i will be happy to demonstrate when i have my new system.

I can see where spending £25 on a fuse in a system with a total value £500 or even £1000 is excessive, but ive had systems that would cost £20k with all components bought new. From this point of view, a £25 fuse is pocket money and worth a try, which is what i did and reaped the benefits.

I had a Krell Kav300i amplifier last year. I replaced all 7 fuses in it with Hifi tuning fuses at the cost of about £150. It turned this amp into a completely different machine. The highs were no longer harsh at high volumes. The glare was gone from the mids when pushed hard, and the bass had a new found weight and drive. These massive improvements could not be had any other way with other upgrades. This is the beauty of the fuses. The icing on the cake that so many are missing out on.

Let me put this bluntly. These things do not work. Prove otherwise.

If they make a difference then let them be available in dealers where they can be compared with units that don't have them. You try to compare most hifi gear before making a decision, so why not these fripperies too?

I'm not going to comment on you "scientific" evidence, other than to say it isn't.

I repeat what I said before, these things are for the gullible. Give the £25 to charity instead, you'll gain far more satisfaction than through tomfooleries like these.

That's me out of this topic.

 

[shooter]

MattSPL:
Im not one for proving or disproving a product on scientific terms and measurements, because half the time it is impossible to test such things.

I use my ears only.

But, if you must have some scientific evidence that a £25 fuse is better than a 20p fuse, the silver burn wire is the evidence. Better conductor = better current transfer = better sound. I cant provide anymore answers than that im afraid.

If you fancy a holiday to Ireland i will be happy to demonstrate when i have my new system.

I can see where spending £25 on a fuse in a system with a total value £500 or even £1000 is excessive, but ive had systems that would cost £20k with all components bought new. From this point of view, a £25 fuse is pocket money and worth a try, which is what i did and reaped the benefits.

I had a Krell Kav300i amplifier last year. I replaced all 7 fuses in it with Hifi tuning fuses at the cost of about £150. It turned this amp into a completely different machine. The highs were no longer harsh at high volumes. The glare was gone from the mids when pushed hard, and the bass had a new found weight and drive. These massive improvements could not be had any other way with other upgrades. This is the beauty of the fuses. The icing on the cake that so many are missing out on.

I've been reading this thread and MattSPL you could be twisting my arm hear. I'm a great believer in getting the best from a product and a £25 fuse may eak a little more from my amp. At the moment though i have a problem, i have no amp but it will be back from repair this week so when it does i'll have a look inside and see whats what and go from their. Also i use a mains conditioner so should i change the fuse in the amps mains cable? The cable is a VDH Mainstream BS, it has a ceramic 13A fuse fitted (not a tuning fuse).

 

[Anonymous]

This has gone slightly offtopic.

To steer it back, although probably not in the sense that the OP meant, the one product that to me oozes quality. These will take abuse for decades. Get a diesel and it might outlast you.

 

[Anonymous]

this ten year old beast is still going strong too ...

 

[MattSPL]

Tarquinh - I know for a fact these fuses work. I have tried them extensively with 3 different amp's and my cd player. And have also tried Isoclean fuses that are also excellent.

You probably haven't even seen a hifi tuning fuse before, so calling me gullible is just silly.

And as for giving £25 to charity, im not in favour of donating in that kind of way as far too much of the money goes in wages and admin. Not to the cause. Minimum wage here in Ireland is 8.65euro. Standing on the street raising money for a well know charity here earns you 12 euro per hour. How does that figure?

Back on topic anyway, if you have a local hifi shop and know the sales person, ask them to get a couple of these fuses in for you to try.

Shooter69 - You will hear improvements from changing 1 fuse, but you really need to change the plug fuse and the component Ac fuse to gain full benefit. And each fuse you replace after that will open the window further.
I replaced all the Ac and DC fuses in my Krell amp. Each bringing you a little closer to complete silence in backgrounds allowing more detail through. Its quite amazing to hear.

 

[matthewpiano]

£25 isn't pocket money. It's half a week's food on the table.

 

[shooter]

MattSPL:
Shooter69 - You will hear improvements from changing 1 fuse, but you really need to change the plug fuse and the component Ac fuse to gain full benefit. And each fuse you replace after that will open the window further.
I replaced all the Ac and DC fuses in my Krell amp. Each bringing you a little closer to complete silence in backgrounds allowing more detail through. Its quite amazing to hear.

Matt you may just of sold me on it!

I have read some reviews some time ago and thought about it but never went ahead for one reason or another but now i've read about a fellow forum member with some first hand experience and the outcome this could be the time.

I'll have a look at the amp and cd first and see what i gain from that.

Cheers.

 

[MattSPL]

matthewpiano:£25 isn't pocket money. It's half a week's food on the table.

If you read the post properly, i said that in context of a 20k hifi, a £25 fuse is pocket money. Im an electrician myself, so not well off, im just passionate about music and hifi so feel its worth spending money on.

 

[MattSPL]

shooter69:MattSPL:
Shooter69 - You will hear improvements from changing 1 fuse, but you really need to change the plug fuse and the component Ac fuse to gain full benefit. And each fuse you replace after that will open the window further.
I replaced all the Ac and DC fuses in my Krell amp. Each bringing you a little closer to complete silence in backgrounds allowing more detail through. Its quite amazing to hear.

Matt you may just of sold me on it!I have read some reviews some time ago and thought about it but never went ahead for one reason or another but now i've read about a fellow forum member with some first hand experience and the outcome this could be the time.I'll have a look at the amp and cd first and see what i gain from that. Cheers.

Hi Shooter69

Pick a component you wish to work on first, preferably one with a fuse drawer on the rear panel for the Ac fuse so you dont need to remove any cover etc. Replace the plug fuse and the Ac inlet fuse(with the correct rating). Do 1 fuse at a time and listen so you hear the improvement from each. When you have an aftermarket power cord and have changed the plug fuse and Ac inlet fuse, this is when the component will really come to life.

I can compare this to having a hose pipe on with a kink in it and once the fuses and power cord are repalced, the kink is removed. Like a breath of fresh air to the music.

You can always put the fuses on ebay if you decide they are not for you.

 

[JoelSim]

I may ask for some for Christmas. And see what the reaction is.

 

[shooter]

MattSPL:shooter69:MattSPL:
Shooter69 - You will hear improvements from changing 1 fuse, but you really need to change the plug fuse and the component Ac fuse to gain full benefit. And each fuse you replace after that will open the window further.
I replaced all the Ac and DC fuses in my Krell amp. Each bringing you a little closer to complete silence in backgrounds allowing more detail through. Its quite amazing to hear.

Matt you may just of sold me on it!I have read some reviews some time ago and thought about it but never went ahead for one reason or another but now i've read about a fellow forum member with some first hand experience and the outcome this could be the time.I'll have a look at the amp and cd first and see what i gain from that. Cheers.

Hi Shooter69

Pick a component you wish to work on first, preferably one with a fuse drawer on the rear panel for the Ac fuse so you dont need to remove any cover etc. Replace the plug fuse and the Ac inlet fuse(with the correct rating). Do 1 fuse at a time and listen so you hear the improvement from each. When you have an aftermarket power cord and have changed the plug fuse and Ac inlet fuse, this is when the component will really come to life.

I can compare this to having a hose pipe on with a kink in it and once the fuses and power cord are repalced, the kink is removed. Like a breath of fresh air to the music.

You can always put the fuses on ebay if you decide they are not for you.

Cheers Matt. Neither the Cd or amp has fuse drawer so the casing will have to come off. This isn't a problem fore me i've been around hi-fi for donkeys and have no qualms about it. I've had the casing off the amp befor as i was intrigued with the LED show but not the CD so i'm looking forward to it!

I have 3 items selling on e-bay at the moment that will cover the cost so just need the amp back!