TV Shootout: Panasonic CZ950, LG EF950V OLED, ZT Plasma

[Deleted member 2457]

All I hear on here is how plasma is still better

(Sigh) I don't think that anyone on What Hi-Fi forums says that, gel, you are hearing things! Anyway plasmas (apart from my four!) are a thing of the past, so the comparison that you alone keep on making is futile.

All your plasmas are a thing of the past, you are living in cloud cockoo loud, you need to stop living in the past and be in the present with OLED. You know that OLED TV technology and is better but you just can't face it.

Btw in your post I have no idea what you are talking about but that isn't at first!

 

[Deleted member 2457]

I do Gel, but only for the banter with you

. *biggrin*

 

[davidvann]

im sure the kuro would of won ,a tweaked kuro is something to be seen

 

[Deleted member 2457]

im sure the kuro would of won ,a tweaked kuro is something to be seen

I think WHF might agree with you.

 

[davidvann]

thanks gel

 

[davidvann]

Did you ever tweak your voltages on and abl on your kuro gel.

 

[ellisdj]

im sure the kuro would of won ,a tweaked kuro is something to be seen

Only because its calibrated by a Legend

 

[davidvann]

yes ellisdj i forgot that bit lol.

 

[Son_of_SJ]

All your plasmas are a thing of the past, you are living in cloud cockoo loud (sic), you need to stop living in the past and be in the present with OLED. You know that OLED TV technology and is better but you just can't face it.

Btw in your post I have no idea what you are talking about but that isn't at first!

I'll try just once more to get through to you, gel. You are now contradicting yourself, a few posts ago you reminded us that about two months ago you nearly bought a Pioneer plasma! I'm not sure what you want me to do with my calibrated plasmas, throw them out? Perhaps you could fund the purchase of 42", 50", 60" and 65" OLEDs for me to replace my existing plasmas? Unlike you, I don't buy things on impulse and also unlike you, I don't have the money to buy stuff and then discard it only weeks (if that) later. I'll say this next bit in capitals so you don't miss it. I DO NOT HAVE A PROBLEM ACKNOWLEDGING THAT OLED TECHNOLOGY IS, IN SOME RESPECTS, THE BEST AVAILABLE. Got that? Good. Now, can I be allowed to enjoy my calibrated plasmas in peace? Speaking of which, ellisdj's comment in post 148 of this thread that he was watching a calibrated ZT just lately and it's still a stonking picture. As are all mine, even with lowly VGA content from my computer!

I don't mind you enjoying your uncalibrated OLED, gel. Just don't tell me to discard my plasmas.

 

[ellisdj]

if LG hadnt brought out OLED who would have taken any of their TV's seriously - noone I bet - dont remember many reviews always Sony Samsung and Panasonic

Now they are being considered as a leader in the market - kudos to them it was a clever move and I bet they will sell more cheaper TV's as a result as well and other electronics products due to brand association.

 

[Deleted member 2457]

All your plasmas are a thing of the past, you are living in cloud cockoo loud (sic), you need to stop living in the past and be in the present with OLED. You know that OLED TV technology and is better but you just can't face it.

Btw in your post I have no idea what you are talking about but that isn't at first!

I'll try just once more to get through to you, gel. You are now contradicting yourself, a few posts ago you reminded us that about two months ago you nearly bought a Pioneer plasma! I'm not sure what you want me to do with my calibrated plasmas, throw them out? Perhaps you could fund the purchase of 42", 50", 60" and 65" OLEDs for me to replace my existing plasmas? Unlike you, I don't buy things on impulse and also unlike you, I don't have the money to buy stuff and then discard it only weeks (if that) later. I'll say this next bit in capitals so you don't miss it. I DO NOT HAVE A PROBLEM ACKNOWLEDGING THAT OLED TECHNOLOGY IS, IN SOME RESPECTS, THE BEST AVAILABLE. Got that? Good. Now, can I be allowed to enjoy my calibrated plasmas in peace? Speaking of which, ellisdj's comment in post 148 of this thread that he was watching a calibrated ZT just lately and it's still a stonking picture. As are all mine, even with lowly VGA content from my computer!

I don't mind you enjoying your uncalibrated OLED, gel. Just don't tell me to discard my plasmas.

Fair enough. *smile*. Your Panasonic plasma is not calibrated either? I am using the suggested settings by AVForums though.

 

[Deleted member 2457]

if LG hadnt brought out OLED who would have taken any of their TV's seriously - noone I bet - dont remember many reviews always Sony Samsung and Panasonic

Now they are being considered as a leader in the market - kudos to them it was a clever move and I bet they will sell more cheaper TV's as a result as well and other electronics products due to brand association.

The cheaper LG OLEDS are coming at a cost to quality though at the moment. And they don't seem to be improving them either.

 

[Series1boy]

im sure the kuro would of won ,a tweaked kuro is something to be seen

Only because its calibrated by a Legend

i presume this is you elisdj

 

[tele1962]

Gel nothing has been said yet regarding the best tv PQ wise, i don't think.

It was a similar result (if this is the result) at the shootout in NY a couple of years ago, the LG i believe got the audience vote, the experts went with the ZT PDP. It's sort of the Curry's effect, show people a nice bright shiny picture and that sells the TV, however we all no that the settings they use are incorrect (usualy set to Dynamic) in stores for this very reason.

So i think maybe black levels might have swayed the audience vote once again.............................however black level is not the full story.

Can i ask you why you think the Shootouts are dodgy when they are being assesed by the leading calibrators in the world. I believe David M flew in from NY to assist Vincent with the set up and calibration of these TV's.

AVF are good but not always accurate. LG Oleds are nice but not there yet no matter what some might say IMO.

 

[ellisdj]

im sure the kuro would of won ,a tweaked kuro is something to be seen

Only because its calibrated by a Legend

i presume this is you elisdj

Whatever gave you that idea???

Fair play to Pioneer with DaveVanns 8thGen Kuro there was a gamma option that allowed a spot on BT1886 Gamma Curve from only being able to change brightness, contrast and 2 point white balance - now that was forward thinking from them and excellent manufacturing - to do that with the later Panny TV's you need a lot more control over the gamma.

So he still gets an excellent calibrated image with good blacks (tweaked) from that age of TV production

In terms of the importance of calibration - I have blackened my room down now to as much as I can get away with - so I set the PJ's brightness and contrast properly yesterday for the first time - by properly I mean by using a pattern rather than just by eye. I set it totally different using the pattterns -- the brightness needed to be much higher - from +3 it went to +9

Now its starting to look something more like what you expect - I am going to recheck it tonight actually using different patterns to make sure its spot on but just for doing this alone has improved the picture no end.

If your not doing this as a bare minimum with a display you are not anywhere near the level of perfromance that it can do - take note Gel

 

[Deleted member 2457]

Did you ever tweak your voltages on and abl on your kuro gel.

No I didn't mate, I only heard about that you could the other day.

 

[Son_of_SJ]

Fair enough. *smile*. Your Panasonic plasma is not calibrated either? I am using the suggested settings by AVForums though.

Correct, my 65VT65 is not (yet) calibrated, I hope to get it and my next television (Sony 75W855C, the same as Ms Clare Newsome's) calibrated about two months after I get the Sony in the January sales. It will be cheaper if I get both calibrated at the same Mr Steve Withers visit. In the meantime I (like you, how strange that is, who would have thought that we had ANYTHING in common!!) am using the suggested settings by AVForums, in my case https://www.avforums.com/threads/panasonic-tx-p65vt65-reviewers-recommended-best-settings.1779325/

 

[Deleted member 2457]

Gel nothing has been said yet regarding the best tv PQ wise, i don't think.

It was a similar result (if this is the result) at the shootout in NY a couple of years ago, the LG i believe got the audience vote, the experts went with the ZT PDP. It's sort of the Curry's effect, show people a nice bright shiny picture and that sells the TV, however we all no that the settings they use are incorrect (usualy set to Dynamic) in stores for this very reason.

So i think maybe black levels might have swayed the audience vote once again.............................however black level is not the full story.

Can i ask you why you think the Shootouts are dodgy when they are being assesed by the leading calibrators in the world. I believe David M flew in from NY to assist Vincent with the set up and calibration of these TV's.

AVF are good but not always accurate. LG Oleds are nice but not there yet no matter what some might say IMO.

I only think they are dodgy because of their strange results which don't concur with everyone else. But this time the vote has gone the right way so nothing dodgy about this vote.

 

[Deleted member 2457]

Fair enough. *smile*. Your Panasonic plasma is not calibrated either? I am using the suggested settings by AVForums though.

Correct, my 65VT65 is not (yet) calibrated, I hope to get it and my next television (Sony 75W855C, the same as Ms Clare Newsome's) calibrated about two months after I get the Sony in the January sales. It will be cheaper if I get both calibrated at the same Mr Steve Withers visit. In the meantime I (like you, how strange that is, who would have thought that we had ANYTHING in common!!) am using the suggested settings by AVForums, in my case https://www.avforums.com/threads/panasonic-tx-p65vt65-reviewers-recommended-best-settings.1779325/

*biggrin* *clapping*

 

[tele1962]

Gel nothing has been said yet regarding the best tv PQ wise, i don't think.

It was a similar result (if this is the result) at the shootout in NY a couple of years ago, the LG i believe got the audience vote, the experts went with the ZT PDP. It's sort of the Curry's effect, show people a nice bright shiny picture and that sells the TV, however we all no that the settings they use are incorrect (usualy set to Dynamic) in stores for this very reason.

So i think maybe black levels might have swayed the audience vote once again.............................however black level is not the full story.

Can i ask you why you think the Shootouts are dodgy when they are being assesed by the leading calibrators in the world. I believe David M flew in from NY to assist Vincent with the set up and calibration of these TV's.

AVF are good but not always accurate. LG Oleds are nice but not there yet no matter what some might say IMO.

I only think they are dodgy because of their strange results which don't concur with everyone else. But this time the vote has gone the right way so nothing dodgy about this vote.

Who is everyone else.............and we still don't know which way the vote went?

 

[ellisdj]

Son os SJ on both mine and my cousins 65VT 70 contrast crushed whiter than white - 67 was the tops for contrast we could go BTW - this does make a difference

Brightness on 0 seems really odd - mine was +7

We also got a better calibration from doing more of the work with the 2 point controls and less work with the 10 point. The AVF best settings looks to be the other way around - but you cant change them

EDIT - that also those settings are for a 2.2 gamma cal - it looks all washed out on a 2.2 gamma cal.

You have not seen anythign like the best of that set yet

 

[Deleted member 2457]

Gel nothing has been said yet regarding the best tv PQ wise, i don't think.

It was a similar result (if this is the result) at the shootout in NY a couple of years ago, the LG i believe got the audience vote, the experts went with the ZT PDP. It's sort of the Curry's effect, show people a nice bright shiny picture and that sells the TV, however we all no that the settings they use are incorrect (usualy set to Dynamic) in stores for this very reason.

So i think maybe black levels might have swayed the audience vote once again.............................however black level is not the full story.

Can i ask you why you think the Shootouts are dodgy when they are being assesed by the leading calibrators in the world. I believe David M flew in from NY to assist Vincent with the set up and calibration of these TV's.

AVF are good but not always accurate. LG Oleds are nice but not there yet no matter what some might say IMO.

I only think they are dodgy because of their strange results which don't concur with everyone else. But this time the vote has gone the right way so nothing dodgy about this vote.

Who is everyone else.............and we still don't know which way the vote went?

Yes we do, it been on this forum and AVForums. Everyone else is Steve Withers (your mate), Jules Canary and everyone who has bought an OLED on here and AVForums and Cnet.

 

[Series1boy]

On your VT, What was your contrast and brightness setting on 2.4 gamma? Mines 77 for contrast and + 7 for brightness?..

 

[tele1962]

Gel nothing has been said yet regarding the best tv PQ wise, i don't think.

It was a similar result (if this is the result) at the shootout in NY a couple of years ago, the LG i believe got the audience vote, the experts went with the ZT PDP. It's sort of the Curry's effect, show people a nice bright shiny picture and that sells the TV, however we all no that the settings they use are incorrect (usualy set to Dynamic) in stores for this very reason.

So i think maybe black levels might have swayed the audience vote once again.............................however black level is not the full story.

Can i ask you why you think the Shootouts are dodgy when they are being assesed by the leading calibrators in the world. I believe David M flew in from NY to assist Vincent with the set up and calibration of these TV's.

AVF are good but not always accurate. LG Oleds are nice but not there yet no matter what some might say IMO.

I only think they are dodgy because of their strange results which don't concur with everyone else. But this time the vote has gone the right way so nothing dodgy about this vote.

Who is everyone else.............and we still don't know which way the vote went?

Yes we do, it been on this forum and AVForums. Everyone else is Steve Withers (your mate), Jules Canary and everyone who has bought an OLED on here and AVForums and Cnet.

I thought that was just the audience vote?

My mate Steve Withers?

I think Jules might disagree somewhat.

We still have not heard what the experts have said yet so why are you jumping to conclusions?

 

[Son_of_SJ]

All your plasmas are a thing of the past, you are living in cloud cockoo loud (sic), you need to stop living in the past and be in the present with OLED. You know that OLED TV technology and is better but you just can't face it.

Btw in your post I have no idea what you are talking about but that isn't at first!

Look gel, this man agrees with you, even though he expresses himself rather more reasonably! I'm not sure which particular OLED he now has though.

https://www.avforums.com/threads/panasonic-zt65-calibrated.1989776/