TV Shootout: Panasonic CZ950, LG EF950V OLED, ZT Plasma

[Son_of_SJ]

For the oleds to be voted best on brighter whites they must have been calibrated brighter than the ZT is what I was getting at

If you read any of the reviews on HDTVtest, when Mr Vincent Teoh calibrates televisions he normally pegs the peak brightness to 120 cd/m2, I presume precisely to counter any subjective advantage that an inherently brighter screen might have over a darker screen.

 

[ellisdj]

If that is the case then how can the oled have a brighter white?

It maybe appears brighter coming off a blacker background because I thought they would all be setup the same. That part seemed odd in the reasoning behind voting decision

 

[bigboss]

The whites look different in an LED lit LCD, OLED and plasma as I mentioned in my review from last year's shootout. The test screen is a full white screen with no blacks or any other colour.

 

[ellisdj]

A full white field 100% test window will cause the plasma abl to kick in hard

 

[Series1boy]

Here we go:

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/shootout-oled-201511134208.htm

this efin forum is terrible at posting links!

 

[Series1boy]

Here we go:

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/shootout-oled-201511134208.htm

this efin forum is terrible at posting links!

 

[Deleted member 2457]

Here we go:

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/shootout-oled-201511134208.htm

this efin forum is terrible at posting links!

Cheers for the link. I wonder what HDTV fan thinks to it? *smile*

 

[Shawn84]

Here we go:

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/shootout-oled-201511134208.htm

this efin forum is terrible at posting links!

Cheers for the link.  I wonder what HDTV fan thinks to it?  *smile*

Hi. I was lurking and decided to comment.

IMO, Plasma is still better from what i've seen. It doesn't make sense to claim OLED has taken over Plasma when said Plasmas are still superior at important PQ aspects besides mll. I have a 151 and 101FD kuro and there's simply no way i would trade either for an OLED in its current state. I would be making sacrifices in PQ. Not to mention a more analog looking picture.

I think they should of had a kuro there also. The ZT doesn't get too bright because of the filter and the kuro has a black level advantage still.

So yeah, OLED is definitely great and shows promise, but it still isn't completely there yet. The attendees votes don't change this fact.

 

[Deleted member 2457]

Here we go:

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/shootout-oled-201511134208.htm

this efin forum is terrible at posting links!

Cheers for the link. I wonder what HDTV fan thinks to it? *smile*

Hi. I was lurking and decided to comment.

IMO, Plasma is still better from what i've seen. It doesn't make sense to claim OLED has taken over Plasma when said Plasmas are still superior at important PQ aspects besides mll. I have a 151 and 101FD kuro and there's simply no way i would trade either for an OLED in its current state. I would be making sacrifices in PQ. Not to mention a more analog looking picture.

I think they should of had a kuro there also. The ZT doesn't get too bright because of the filter and the kuro has a black level advantage still.

So yeah, OLED is definitely great and shows promise, but it still isn't completely there yet. The attendees votes don't change this fact.

Pioneer TVs are definitely still up there if a little old now. Glad you posted, cheers.

 

[tele1962]

Looks like OLED is at last getting it's act together.

Just been reading Gordon Fraser's comments, he thinks the Panny is the best TV ever.

 

[Son_of_SJ]

Hi. I was lurking and decided to comment.

IMO, Plasma is still better from what i've seen. It doesn't make sense to claim OLED has taken over Plasma when said Plasmas are still superior at important PQ aspects besides mll. I have a 151 and 101FD kuro and there's simply no way i would trade either for an OLED in its current state. I would be making sacrifices in PQ. Not to mention a more analog looking picture.

Oh dear, you'll be upsetting one forum member by saying the sentence that I've highlighted .......!

I think they should of [sic] had a kuro there also. The ZT doesn't get too bright because of the filter and the kuro has a black level advantage still.

So yeah, OLED is definitely great and shows promise, but it still isn't completely there yet. The attendees votes don't change this fact.

Or failing laying hands on a Kuro, perhaps a Panasonic 65VT65 rather than the 60ZT65. The ZT plasma's extra filter is not always an advantage. I can't speak for the ZT65, but certainly I can confirm that the black level of my Panasonic 65VT65 is similar, but not better than, the black level of my Pioneer LX5090. Neither of them will ever leave my flat for as long as they are still working.

 

[Shawn84]

Here we go:

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/shootout-oled-201511134208.htm

this efin forum is terrible at posting links!

Cheers for the link.  I wonder what HDTV fan thinks to it?  *smile*

Hi. I was lurking and decided to comment.

IMO, Plasma is still better from what i've seen. It doesn't make sense to claim OLED has taken over Plasma when said Plasmas are still superior at important PQ aspects besides mll. I have a 151 and 101FD kuro and there's simply no way i would trade either for an OLED in its current state. I would be making sacrifices in PQ. Not to mention a more analog looking picture.

I think they should of had a kuro there also. The ZT doesn't get too bright because of the filter and the kuro has a black level advantage still.

So yeah, OLED is definitely great and shows promise, but it still isn't completely there yet. The attendees votes don't change this fact.

Pioneer TVs are definitely still up there if a little old now.  Glad you posted, cheers.  

Going on 7 years now, but the picture hasn't aged a bit.

I was hoping Panasonic would come with the ultimate OLED but there's not much they can really do using LG's Panel. Sort of like OLED is stuck until more manufactures start building their own. I would like to see something other than WOLED used too. Looking forward to seeing what Samsung and Sony does.

 

[Shawn84]

Hi. I was lurking and decided to comment.

IMO, Plasma is still better from what i've seen. It doesn't make sense to claim OLED has taken over Plasma when said Plasmas are still superior at important PQ aspects besides mll. I have a 151 and 101FD kuro and there's simply no way i would trade either for an OLED in its current state. I would be making sacrifices in PQ. Not to mention a more analog looking picture.

Oh dear, you'll be upsetting one forum member by saying the sentence that I've highlighted .......!
I don't see why, the proof is in the pudding, as the saying goes. Many have not see a properly setup kuro.

I think they should of [sic] had a kuro there also. The ZT doesn't get too bright because of the filter and the kuro has a black level advantage still.

So yeah, OLED is definitely great and shows promise, but it still isn't completely there yet. The attendees votes don't change this fact.

Or failing laying hands on a Kuro, perhaps a Panasonic 65VT65 rather than the 60ZT65. The ZT plasma's extra filter is not always an advantage. I can't speak for the ZT65, but certainly I can confirm that the black level of my Panasonic 65VT65 is similar, but not better than, the black level of my Pioneer LX5090. Neither of them will ever leave my flat for as long as they are still working.

The VT65 equals the 60" kuros for black level, but remember the 50" 500m and 101FD gets lower at 0.0005 mll. A tweaked kuro gets even darker at 0.0001ftl.

But yeah if not a kuro a VT65 could of worked better than the ZT since there would be no filter to fight for brightness.