This is the Black Ravioli investigation thread, it may be fun...

[chebby]

Last week I painted some stripes on my car and it now goes much faster than before. The engine feels more powerful and responsive and it probably even uses less fuel too.*

There's still a couple of tins of 'go faster paint' left if anybody is interested in buying some. They only cost £500 each which is very good value when you consider how much of a performance benefit it gives.

* and nobody is allowed to say that it won't work unless you've actually tried it yourself.

Have you asked the McLaren F1 team and AkzoNobel about this matter? (Or any other F1 team or any Airliner manufacturers who have poured millions into the research of how paint can reduce drag, reduce weight, and improve fuel efficiency amongst other benefits?)

 

[John Duncan]

I haven't had a pop at anybody

Apart from suggesting that anyone who advocates such a product is somehow involved with that product. Suggestions which have now been removed.

 

[Anonymous]

I haven't had a pop at anybody

Apart from suggesting that anyone who advocates such a product is somehow involved with that product. Suggestions which have now been removed.

That's not what I said, JD. Anyway it's interesting to know that mocking somebodies nationality is apparently now welcome here.

 

[Anonymous]

You ARE a BAAAAAAAD person!

No, he's Irish, and he can't help it.

:rofl:

Thanks for that..

 

[John Duncan]

That's not what I said, JD.

That's a matter of opinion, but am not prepared to take the risk.

Anyway it's interesting to know that mocking somebodies nationality is apparently now welcome here.

That mocking was from a fellow Irishman, I believe, and I therefore took it to be what you might call 'banter'. Think yourself lucky that fellow Irishmen are able to get on here, after we had to ban most of that country to prevent someone from re-registering over and over again.

 

[relocated]

For having started a conversation with the intention of bringing 'sanity and humour to the forum', I do wonder why you get so wound up and have no ability to take anything on the chin.

There are times when you have valid points to make but [unfortunately] you seem to be primarily concerned with winding people up. That said, these people would be better served by just ignoring you. I have to agree with the argument that, particularly in your case, if you haven't tried it then you have minimal justification for contributing to a conversation other than '' I have no belief in this product but I have no practical knowlege or experience''.

If you start a fight you should not be surprised that things get unpleasant but then you only post in fun, [dont you?]. Perhaps Max you would be better entertained by watching more movies and not spending your Sunday winding people up and then getting stroppy when people put it back to you.

 

[plastic penguin]

How, in the name of God, how, could placing an amplifier on little rubber ravioli, (or whatever they're called) have any impact whatsoever on the sound coming out of the speakers it's driving?

Please note, this thread is designed to bring sanity and humour to the forum

I've tried it. Not good. The tomato sauce goes everywhere.

 

[busb]

Mental note to self - never use the phrase "it may be fun..." on any WHF forum

 

[simonlewis]

Just curious can black ravioli be used anywhere for eg. under tv's, blu-ray players, furniture like hifi racks or microwaves ???

 

[shafesk]

Last week I painted some stripes on my car and it now goes much faster than before. The engine feels more powerful and responsive and it probably even uses less fuel too.*

There's still a couple of tins of 'go faster paint' left if anybody is interested in buying some. They only cost £500 each which is very good value when you consider how much of a performance benefit it gives.

* and nobody is allowed to say that it won't work unless you've actually tried it yourself.

Finally, someone logical. Jeez whats up with all the cynicism in this thread? Either you try it and say it does or doesn't make a difference. Instead the approach taken is criticising the product without even trying it? What is the purpose of that? Isn't that just discrediting the manufacturer without even trying it's products. Quite a petty thread, I'm out.

 

[steve_1979]

Last week I painted some stripes on my car and it now goes much faster than before. The engine feels more powerful and responsive and it probably even uses less fuel too.*

There's still a couple of tins of 'go faster paint' left if anybody is interested in buying some. They only cost £500 each which is very good value when you consider how much of a performance benefit it gives.

* and nobody is allowed to say that it won't work unless you've actually tried it yourself.

Have you asked the McLaren F1 team and AkzoNobel about this matter? (Or any other F1 team or any Airliner manufacturers who have poured millions into the research of how paint can reduce drag, reduce weight, and improve fuel efficiency amongst other benefits?)

Hehe. Nice one Chebby, I like that.

However my 'go faster paint' is much better than that rubbish that the F1 teams slap on their cars. My 'go faster paint' will actually make your engine more powerful. Don't ask me how it works because I don't know but it does definitely work.* Best of all there is a special offer on for this week only - 2 tins of 'go faster paint' for just £500! What a bargin, would you like to buy some?

* I haven't actually used a dyno to measure the engine though.

 

[steve_1979]

Last week I painted some stripes on my car and it now goes much faster than before. The engine feels more powerful and responsive and it probably even uses less fuel too.*

There's still a couple of tins of 'go faster paint' left if anybody is interested in buying some. They only cost £500 each which is very good value when you consider how much of a performance benefit it gives.

* and nobody is allowed to say that it won't work unless you've actually tried it yourself.

Finally, someone logical. Jeez whats up with all the cynicism in this thread? Either you try it and say it does or doesn't make a difference. Instead the approach taken is criticising the product without even trying it? What is the purpose of that? Isn't that just discrediting the manufacturer without even trying it's products. Quite a petty thread, I'm out.

If you read my earlier posts in this thread you'll see that I do intend to give Black Ravioli an audition using both solid state and valve amps in my local hifi store.

Although it might not work unless it's already been 'burned in' for 5 days first. :rofl:

 

[Anonymous]

Black Ravioli has always been a very divisive product and this thread is typical of all of the others I have seen on various hifi forums.

What I mean by that is, 8 out of 10 posts are either jokes about the product, à la the funny microwave idea above (could it make my lasagne tastier?), or people saying it cannot work and is a rediculous concept. And without fail, these 8 out of 10 posts come from people who havent tried the product.

In all of these threads, the feedback from people who have either demoed or bought these black ravioli has been on the whole very positive.

Living abroad as I do where in a country with no black ravioli distribtors, I decided to take a punt and order 8 pads for my cdp and pre amp. According to who I bought them from, they were already "burnt in" by being compressed for a few days under a heavy weight of some kind.

Upon arrival, I put them into my system and found what I feel to be a basically immediate pleasant broadening of what my system was already capable of (cyrus cd8se+ CDP, Cyrus preXpd Qx pre amp, Cyrus Mono X200s into B&W CM9s via Cardas clear light interconnects and speaker cables).

So much so that I swapped them out and in a few times to compare, and since then (3 months ago approx) they have remained in situ. I was pleased enough to then buy another 8 pads to sit under my power amps.

For me, I found them an upgrade and I found my expectations exceeded. Yes, it is a lot of money for some pads but still constitutes a relatively small outlay compared to my system as a whole. Black ravioli pads are one of three upgrades I felt made a difference. The second was to add a power conditioner for my hifi (Running Springs Elgar) and the third was to add isolation feet to my speakers to decouple them from my suspended wooden floor (CRTech isolation pads).

I cannot say exactly why, but in the last few months I have perceived a gradual but sustained improvement from my system. It could be due to any number of factors, but I genuinely feel it is there, and long may it continue!

From what I write, sure it might come across to a lot of you... another guy with more money than sense, spending his way into believing he is improving his system. May be so, but I try to be careful with any upgrades i make, doing several evenings or even weeks of testing in some cases.

I say, taking care to give your system all the chances it can have to sound good is not foolhardy, it is common sense. Of course, when you can demo products before parting with your hard earned cash, even better. For the conditioner and speaker pads, I could and did do this. And with the conditioner and speaker pads, I can sort of more easily see a rationale why they might make a difference in my system. With BR, this is admittedly a bit harder... but, my view is, they just work somehow and I do not need to question that too deeply if I can hear it myself.

I would just suggest that a few more of you here try to demo some in your system and then post your views.

 

[Overdose]

How, in the name of God, how, could placing an amplifier on little rubber ravioli, (or whatever they're called) have any impact whatsoever on the sound coming out of the speakers it's driving?

Please note, this thread is designed to bring sanity and humour to the forum

Max, it does seem like you are looking for some form of affirmation for whatever reason, although your motives, whatever they may be, seem only to serve to alienate you.

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It reminds me of a child going to the second parent to ask for icecream, when the first has already said no.

 

[oldric_naubhoff]

I say this both as someone who is sceptical about the product and who rarely has a go at you. This works both ways Max. The users have the get out of jail of 'you have to try it'. The non-user, non-believer has the get out of jail of 'you have to explain how it works'. In order for something to work, one does not have to be able to explain it, unless one is the designer. I don't know how my tv works, but it does. I'm sure you couldn't explain properly how your speakers work, but they do.

I think that's a very good point Ben. one does not have to know how things work in order to enjoy benefits using those things brings. and it's a very good point that at least designer should know what they are doing. but, have you checked ravioli web site? have you seen what it says there? apparently they focus on some "bad vibrations" and it seems everything around and even the components themselves contribute to exciting this malicious form of energy. well, I'm not saying this is all one big BS. it sounds unbelievable (to say the least) but maybe those guys have a point. but I'd like to see some proof of how it works! I mean, if they blame it all down on "bad vibrations" they can surely be measured. and if they can be measured therefore impact of using BR products can be measured too. I don't really care if the change was audible or not. if the difference in using a product and not using a product can be proofed and that difference is for the better than everything's OK. IMO this is all about hi-fi - striving for perfection in sound reproduction. but when someone tells me that by using their product my system will:

• "Provide a linear response across a wide frequency range
• The speed and capacity to deal with the frequency extremes and dynamic demand of all types of performance"...
• and not present any proof of that, save for some reviewers impressions, one has the right to feel a little bit skeptical IMO.

 

[BenLaw]

I say this both as someone who is sceptical about the product and who rarely has a go at you. This works both ways Max. The users have the get out of jail of 'you have to try it'. The non-user, non-believer has the get out of jail of 'you have to explain how it works'. In order for something to work, one does not have to be able to explain it, unless one is the designer. I don't know how my tv works, but it does. I'm sure you couldn't explain properly how your speakers work, but they do.

I think that's a very good point Ben. one does not have to know how things work in order to enjoy benefits using those things brings. and it's a very good point that at least designer should know what they are doing. but, have you checked ravioli web site? have you seen what it says there? apparently they focus on some "bad vibrations" and it seems everything around and even the components themselves contribute to exciting this malicious form of energy. well, I'm not saying this is all one big BS. it sounds unbelievable (to say the least) but maybe those guys have a point. but I'd like to see some proof of how it works! I mean, if they blame it all down on "bad vibrations" they can surely be measured. and if they can be measured therefore impact of using BR products can be measured too. I don't really care if the change was audible or not. if the difference in using a product and not using a product can be proofed and that difference is for the better than everything's OK. IMO this is all about hi-fi - striving for perfection in sound reproduction. but when someone tells me that by using their product my system will:

• "Provide a linear response across a wide frequency range
• The speed and capacity to deal with the frequency extremes and dynamic demand of all types of performance"...
• and not present any proof of that, save for some reviewers impressions, one has the right to feel a little bit skeptical IMO.

We're in agreement Oldric. If you see one of my earlier posts in this thread I link to the website and say I find its content particularly disappointing. It's one of the main reasons I am sceptical about this product. Max's demands to know how the product works are unfair of the users, but would be entirely justified of the company. I'm sure he'd get no answer out of them.

 

[Anonymous]

It's a nonsense product guys, designed to take advantage of people's desire for high quality sound, and while there are other points of view available, they're all wrong I'm afraid, and each and every one of us knows that.

 

[Lee H]

apparently they focus on some "bad vibrations" and it seems everything around and even the components themselves contribute to exciting this malicious form of energy.

There have to be bad vibrations, otherwise there couldn't be good vibrations and we wouldn't have the Beach Boys.

 

[The_Lhc]

It's a nonsense product guys, designed to take advantage of people's desire for high quality sound, and while there are other points of view available, they're all wrong I'm afraid, and each and every one of us knows that.

And if you'd just said that in the first place this thread would have done with 9 pages ago but that's not good enough for you is it Max, it doesn't give you the opportunity to show how much cleverer you are than everyone else does it? How only you know the truth in everything and everyone else is a fool and it doesn't give you the chance to watch this forum tear itself to pieces, which is what you'd really like, along with all your friends over at HDD.

It's boring now Max, give it a EDITED rest. You don't like WHF, we all know that, now EDITED off.

 

[moon]

It's a nonsense product guys, designed to take advantage of people's desire for high quality sound, and while there are other points of view available, they're all wrong I'm afraid, and each and every one of us knows that.

And if you'd just said that in the first place this thread would have done with 9 pages ago but that's not good enough for you is it Max, it doesn't give you the opportunity to show how much cleverer you are than everyone else does it? How only you know the truth in everything and everyone else is a fool and it doesn't give you the chance to watch this forum tear itself to pieces, which is what you'd really like, along with all your friends over at HDD.

It's boring now Max, give it a EDITED rest. You don't like WHF, we all know that, now EDITED off.

:clap:

 

[Anonymous]

It's a nonsense product guys, designed to take advantage of people's desire for high quality sound, and while there are other points of view available, they're all wrong I'm afraid, and each and every one of us knows that.

And if you'd just said that in the first place this thread would have done with 9 pages ago but that's not good enough for you is it Max, it doesn't give you the opportunity to show how much cleverer you are than everyone else does it? How only you know the truth in everything and everyone else is a fool and it doesn't give you the chance to watch this forum tear itself to pieces, which is what you'd really like, along with all your friends over at HDD.

It's boring now Max, give it a EDITED rest. You don't like WHF, we all know that, now EDITED off.

I think that's very unfair, I have nothing against WHF or any of the forumites here, and frankly, you suggesting that someone want's to prove their intellectual superiority is more than just a tad ironic, don't you think?

I like to expose nonsense products like this, expensive HDMI cables, digital cables, speaker cables etc, that's all, but I will clear off as I'm obviously not wanted here, and exposing ridiculous products for what they are just causes friction on this forum, for some reason......

 

[Overdose]

Until the next time.........

 

[Exshopguy]

I've noticed many people go down all these tweaking routes over the years, myself included. What happens in many cases is that one day they stare at their system, their mains cleaners, expensive cables, specialist supports and tweaky nonsense gear then realise they can't remember the last time they listened to music rather than listen to their system.

These people usually then flog the lot in disgust at themselves for wasting so much of their money and life messing with this stuff for a more convenient solution and get back to the point of Hi-Fi - the music. Sometimes this happens sooner rather than later, for some they never realise what they're doing. One thing is for sure is that the ones who get past the gear being the hobby rather than the music seem to be far happier with their systems and lives afterwards.

 

[The_Lhc]

frankly, you suggesting that someone want's to prove their intellectual superiority is more than just a tad ironic, don't you think?

You mean "wants".

 

[chebby]

...I will clear off as I'm obviously not wanted here...

o/