Sony & Clouds. Somebody share your FACTS.

[Anonymous]

if clouding on a sony was as rare as hens teeth ,in the experience of the sony people on here , it is , then why dont sony recognise it as a fault ??? and people would have no worries buying , because a faulty tv will obviously be replaced ...my last word on it i promise ....

 

[sonycentre]

Ok everyone,just got back from work,And had a good conversation with sony tech.Right here goes.lcd tech can be coheasive with backlight problems,due to the way lcd works,and as such sony do not see this as a fault,but the manner that lcds work,If you run a lcd at full pelt you can see patched or in some cases image retention,when powering up a lcd it will get warmer,picture blur will fade,as well as judder,if you tweek the settings then when the set is warmer it will improve,and any clouding will fade providing you tweek the settings.if you will leave settings on vivid you are running the tv at full steam,And thats not good at all.This is why sony launched the shop or home settings on the tv start up menus.so with that in mind we done a test at work-we turned the store lights off with our shutters down,put tv,s set on vivid mode(all flat out)run a blu-ray 200hz test disc,the picture was garish to say the least and when on vivd noted very slight patching.When tvs were set on custom or standerd the picture was more lifelike.this test ran for 3 hours,lol and helped us sell more tvs,cust love the demos we gave.if anyone wants to try the following setting how we set up in homes i will post these setting.hope this helps everyone.

 

[Nick_Shepherd]

Thanks for this sonycentre and please post the settings as i will have a we5 by friday and would like to check for problems

so thanks in advance, HOWEVER..........did you remember to ask if sony tech have a measurement for what they consider too much bleed / clouding?? or did they not fancy the question much??

 

[Anonymous]

now whfi , did you not tweek the settings on your review sonys ???

 

[Anonymous]

Just to add my two pence into the subject, I work at Currys and have seen and sold quite a few Sony TVs. All I can say is that I've only ever seen one with noticable backlight bleed and it was barely noticable. I've also never heard of anyone returning or complaining about one because of backlight bleed. Now yes it's only Currys but I see lots of TVs and Sony have been by no means the worst in terms of backlight bleed, far from it. I've seen much worse on Sharp and LG sets in the last couple of years.

 

[Anonymous]

My advise to those with a moan is to go back to CRT! No motion blur, weighed a ton, and blacks to die for! I had the chance to see the Japanese MUSE HD system in Japan in the late 80s. But the worlds wanted digital........???

LCD backlight obvious is not the last word for Eco friendliess, or the future for flat panels. I saw the latest Sharp OLED, it doesn't have any of these problems, The contrast levels are outstanding! Its stil first gen though and the sony's are 5th generation LCD

I had the Sony Grand 50 inch vega 5 years ago and cost 5K! THAT WAS THE TV TO BE SEEN WITH THEN.Its now rubbish compare with even the S series.The blacks on the Grand vega was Dark grey! The UK version had no HD input.Backlight bleeed didn't exist then...yes thats the truth.

Thats wny I couldn't spend 2k on a TV knowing it isn't the future techology

LED is king..but will wait! LCD are at the end of the exponetial curve....

 

[sonycentre]

Ok here are the settings that i use when installing in cust homes,remember these are the settings that i also use at home.It is down to what makes the picture best for you,but i know these settings work,and have had many happy custumers. backlight set on 2 or 3,contrast 75,colour 45-to-50.sharpness off-brightness 40-45,live colour med-motionflow standard-black corrector med or off(with blu-ray)'Colour temperature nat-'Noise reduction'-off m-peg-off-Color Space: Wide Power Saving off(or if you turn backlight upto 5 then turn to on.
Advanced C.E.: med.

hope this helps some of you.let me know how you get on with these settings.

 

[Andrew Everard]

maxflinn:now whfi , did you not tweek the settings on your review sonys ???

Yes we did, as we do with all TVs, except we tend to use the terms 'set-up' or 'calibrate' rather than 'tweek' or even 'tweak'

 

[Anonymous]

Andrew Everard:
maxflinn:now whfi , did you not tweek the settings on your review sonys ???

Yes we did, as we do with all TVs, except we tend to use the terms 'set-up' or 'calibrate' rather than 'tweek' or even 'tweak'

thought so

 

[sonycentre]

Lol maybe andrew we will se your downfalls................................................oh already have your profile picture.

 

[Andrew Everard]

Another impenetrable post from the coalface of Sony specialist retailing...

 

[sonycentre]

Just some humour andrew,did not hurt,did it?

 

[Andrew Everard]

Given that I have even less of a clue what you're on about than I have with most of your posts, I neither spotted the humour nor was able to take any offence from it.

But if it contained some personal insult clouded in mists of impenetrability, then may I draw your attention to the very first item in the House Rules

 

[Anonymous]

Andrew Everard:
Given that I have even less of a clue what you're on about than I have with most of your posts, I neither spotted the humour nor was able to take any offence from it.

But if it contained some personal insult clouded in mists of impenetrability, then may I draw your attention to the very first item in the House Rules

lol , looooooool , very good ....

 

[sonycentre]

Ok then seems like people can have little digs,but we can,t.I to did not understand what you were saying in your last post.

 

[sonycentre]

Sorry this was what i meant. "Another impenetrable post from the coalface of Sony specialist retailing...

Is this not a sarcastic remark?

 

[Andrew Everard]

It merely meant I hadn't, and still don't have, a clue what you're on about.

And 'the coalface of Sony specialist retailing' merely reflects the wealth of insight you have already given us regarding the calibre of Sony Centre service.

 

[sonycentre]

Ok andrew we will leave it at that.

 

[Anonymous]

I would like to take this opportunity to encourage a more extensive use of full sentences and a greater adherence to the rules of grammar and punctuation. They are an invaluable tool in aiding the correct interpretation of what people post. Some posts are, quite frankly, incomprehensible as a result of the lack of punctuation. I know this is a forum and therefore more relaxed, but where omitting full stops and commas can have a significant impact on the understanding of a post, I do think it would be good practice to include them.

I'm not suggesting extensive proof-reading of posts, but re-reading what has been written to make sure it makes sense and flows smoothly would be helpful, particularly with regards to punctuation. Please, guide your reader.

I only raise this, as it may help to avoid misunderstandings in the future.

 

[Anonymous]

i picked up a 52w5500 on sunday, picture and every thing is bang on i love it the only bug i have is with some clouding on the screen that i noticed last night when watching hot fuzz on blu ray (night scene in the church) and then when playing ODST on the xbox i cant get my camera to capture the problem but its the "clouding" a few have mentioned.

he're a crude mock up of where the problem is occuring
http://twitpic.com/iou9f
its only when its a dark picture but now i've noticed it its all I can see. is the patern of the clouds the same for anybody else?

 

[fido87456]

Andrew Everard:
And 'the coalface of Sony specialist retailing' merely reflects the wealth of insight you have already given us regarding the calibre of Sony Centre service.

Having just read the whole thread that nearly made me spray coffee all over my laptop.

 

[Andrew Everard]

hmtb:I would like to take this opportunity to encourage a more extensive use of full sentences and a greater adherence to the rules of grammar and punctuation.

 

[Ravey Gravey Davy]

hmtb:

I would like to take this opportunity to encourage a more extensive use of full sentences and a greater adherence to the rules of grammar and punctuation. They are an invaluable tool in aiding the correct interpretation of what people post. Some posts are, quite frankly, incomprehensible as a result of the lack of punctuation. I know this is a forum and therefore more relaxed, but where omitting full stops and commas can have a significant impact on the understanding of a post, I do think it would be good practice to include them.

I'm not suggesting extensive proof-reading of posts, but re-reading what has been written to make sure it makes sense and flows smoothly would be helpful, particularly with regards to punctuation. Please, guide your reader.

I only raise this, as it may help to avoid misunderstandings in the future.

A syntactical Sony v Currys (coal)face off. Would be interesting. Don't forget also that some members are not Uk based nor have English as a first language so some slack has to be cut.

 

[Anonymous]

"Don't forget also that some members are not Uk based nor have English as a first language so some slack has to be cut."

You make a very valid point there. I did forget that.

 

[Anonymous]

Andrew Everard:

hmtb:I would like to take this opportunity to encourage a more extensive use of full sentences and a greater adherence to the rules of grammar and punctuation.

I don't mean to preach (or teach - I'm certainly not in a position to do that). It's just that sometimes I have to re-read posts a few times to figure out what it is that is being said.