Roon v1.5

[Blacksabbath25]

My desktop is in the same room as my hifi and my iPad was last years but in regards weather the desktop has an optical input no

but I thought the Yamaha wxc50 acted as a server gate way ? The same as the Oppo does but your saying out of the 2 units I have the Oppo and the Yamaha the Oppo would be the best choice .

can you tell me why the Oppo would be the better choice please so I have a better understanding

 

[insider9]

One is how you will connect it up. If your desktop doesn't have optical out you won't be able to connect it to Yamaha and use it as a DAC. Even if you did connecting to Yamaha via optical would not be as good. Yamaha won't accept DSD over optical, plus optical connection usually has more jitter. Another way of connecting Yamaha would be via your network. Yamaha isn't Roon Ready. That means the only way for Roon to send to it is Airplay. That means everything would be resampled to 48kHz. This time it's not only no DSD but not even hi res and messed with.

Oppo on the other hand connected via network as a Roon endpoint will play bit perfect including hi res and DSD material. Making the best of Roon capabilities. Secondly from specs and everything I've read Oppo has an AKM DAC. This DAC in my opinion (I've not heard it) should be better than the one in Yamaha both on paper and sonically. Please remember I've owned WXC-50 so I know what the DAC is capable of. I do however prefer AKM DACs over ESS Sabre ones from what I've heard. They should suit the kind of music you like more.

 

[Blacksabbath25]

One is how you will connect it up. If your desktop doesn't have optical out you won't be able to connect it to Yamaha and use it as a DAC. Even if you did connecting to Yamaha via optical would not be as good. Yamaha won't accept DSD over optical, plus optical connection usually has more jitter. Another way of connecting Yamaha would be via your network. Yamaha isn't Roon Ready. That means the only way for Roon to send to it is Airplay. That means everything would be resampled to 48kHz. This time it's not only no DSD but not even hi res and messed with.

Oppo on the other hand connected via network as a Roon endpoint will play bit perfect including hi res and DSD material. Making the best of Roon capabilities. Secondly from specs and everything I've read Oppo has an AKM DAC. This DAC in my opinion (I've not heard it) should be better than the one in Yamaha both on paper and sonically. Please remember I've owned WXC-50 so I know what the DAC is capable of. I do however prefer AKM DACs over ESS Sabre ones from what I've heard. They should suit the kind of music you like more.

ok thanks for that I will use the Oppo then as I didn’t want to wast time and money messing around with the Yamaha wxc50 if it’s not going to what I want it to do .

so I will buy the ripping software first and then try the Roon software do you know what the lifetime membership is by any chance ?

And if it’s ok with you some point in the week I will give you a ring

 

[insider9]

dbPoweramp I believe should have a free trial so try it first. It used to be 30 days. Make sure you're happy with it before spending any money.

Roon lifetime membership $499 will give you licence to use the software for life. Bear in mind that is not just a player (which Roon isn't) but their data service which means access to all artwork, song lyrics, reviews etc. Otherwise you need to pay $119 a year. My advice is use the 2 month trial and then decide.

Feel free to call if you have any questions it may be easier to do over the phone

 

[Blacksabbath25]

dbPoweramp I believe should have a free trial so try it first. It used to be 30 days. Make sure you're happy with it before spending any money.

Roon lifetime membership $499 will give you licence to use the software for life. Bear in mind that is not just a player (which Roon isn't) but their data service which means access to all artwork, song lyrics, reviews etc. Otherwise you need to pay $119 a year. My advice is use the 2 month trial and then decide.

Feel free to call if you have any questions it may be easier to do over the phone

ok mate thanks for the advice *smile*

 

[Dave_]

Forget Roon, and just use your new PC as storage and continue using your WXC-50, it's a great streamer and you aren't going to get the gains in SQ you seem to think you will by changing it.

The Oppo is not even in the same league as the WXC-50 (in terms of usability) IMO.

And BS don't take this the wrong way, but I'd stay as far away from this and Hifi forums in general, as possible if I were you.

I hate to see you being constantly driven around in circles, looking to fix non existent problems, because of terrible advice being fed to you...

 

[newlash09]

Forget Roon, and just use your new PC as storage and continue using your WXC-50, it's a great streamer and you aren't going to get the gains in SQ you seem to think you will by changing it.

The Oppo is not even in the same league as the WXC-50 (in terms of usability) IMO.

And BS don't take this the wrong way, but I'd stay as far away from this forum as possible if I were you.

I hate to see you being constantly driven around in circles, looking to fix non existent problems, because of terrible advice being fed to you...

Good morning

I can understand that your suggestions are well intended.

But please note that all our suggestions are well intended with the same degree of honesty. It is unfortunate that we nurse opposing view points on this subject.

I will admit that I might be in the wrong for suggesting options that I haven't myself tried. That apart I sincerely believe that there will be improvements down this path.

And at this stage, blacksabbath is only using the kit he already has. His new PC as roon core and the oppo as roon endpoint. And roon is on free trial. No one is suggesting anything at this point that will entail an investment.

Once he sees the difference roon makes in his setup, he is free to make his own choice. There are roon end points at all budgets. And most of them are cheaper than the expensive Linn streamers he is presently considering. So we might help him end up with better sound and a mighty saving too.

And I can't think of many folks who would take the trouble of searching and forwarding installation keys for forum members to try roon for free. And that should say something about insider9's genuine sincerity to help others here.

Fondly hope you will just join the rest of us for the ride. And let's see what improvements or detriments blacksabbath finds.

 

[Dave_]

Forget Roon, and just use your new PC as storage and continue using your WXC-50, it's a great streamer and you aren't going to get the gains in SQ you seem to think you will by changing it.

The Oppo is not even in the same league as the WXC-50 (in terms of usability) IMO.

And BS don't take this the wrong way, but I'd stay as far away from this forum as possible if I were you.

I hate to see you being constantly driven around in circles, looking to fix non existent problems, because of terrible advice being fed to you...

Good morning

I can understand that your suggestions are well intended.

But please note that all our suggestions are well intended with the same degree of honesty. It is unfortunate that we nurse opposing view points on this subject.

I will admit that I might be in the wrong for suggesting options that I haven't myself tried. That apart I sincerely believe that there will be improvements down this path.

I've no doubt most of you honestly believe much of the nonsense you peddle...

And at this stage, blacksabbath is only using the kit he already has. His new PC as roon core and the oppo as roon endpoint. And roon is on free trial. No one is suggesting anything at this point that will entail an investment.

Once he sees the difference roon makes in his setup, he is free to make his own choice. There are roon end points at all budgets. And most of them are cheaper than the expensive Linn streamers he is presently considering. So we might help him end up with better sound and a mighty saving too.

The only benefit to Roon is if BS wants to go down the DSP route, but frankly I think faffing that is probably beyond him.

And your logic is flawed if you think buying an expensive piece of unnecessary software a mighty saving (over what he already has) just because it's cheaper than some rip off high end streamers

Fondly hope you will just join the rest of us for the ride. And let's see what improvements or detriments blacksabbath finds.

Been there, done that and got the T shirt, and I've never been more content with my systems (and neither has my wallet) since I eschewed all the bollox that exists in the Hifi industry/hobby.

So I have no intention of joining you, and frankly my contempt for all the bollox and those that continue to perpetuate it grows on almost a daily basis...

 

[newlash09]

Forget Roon, and just use your new PC as storage and continue using your WXC-50, it's a great streamer and you aren't going to get the gains in SQ you seem to think you will by changing it.

The Oppo is not even in the same league as the WXC-50 (in terms of usability) IMO.

And BS don't take this the wrong way, but I'd stay as far away from this forum as possible if I were you.

I hate to see you being constantly driven around in circles, looking to fix non existent problems, because of terrible advice being fed to you...

Good morning

I can understand that your suggestions are well intended.

But please note that all our suggestions are well intended with the same degree of honesty. It is unfortunate that we nurse opposing view points on this subject.

I will admit that I might be in the wrong for suggesting options that I haven't myself tried. That apart I sincerely believe that there will be improvements down this path.

I've no doubt most of you honestly believe much of the nonsense you peddle...

And at this stage, blacksabbath is only using the kit he already has. His new PC as roon core and the oppo as roon endpoint. And roon is on free trial. No one is suggesting anything at this point that will entail an investment.

Once he sees the difference roon makes in his setup, he is free to make his own choice. There are roon end points at all budgets. And most of them are cheaper than the expensive Linn streamers he is presently considering. So we might help him end up with better sound and a mighty saving too.

The only benefit to Roon is if BS wants to go down the DSP route, but frankly I think faffing that is probably beyond him.

And your logic is flawed if you think buying an expensive piece of unnecessary software a mighty saving (over what he already has) just because it's cheaper than some rip off high end streamers

Fondly hope you will just join the rest of us for the ride. And let's see what improvements or detriments blacksabbath finds.

Been there, done that and got the T shirt, and I've never been more content with my systems (and neither has my wallet) since I eschewed all the bollox that exists in the Hifi industry/hobby.

So I have no intention of joining you, and frankly my contempt for all the bollox and those that continue to perpetuate it grows on almost a daily basis...

You are entitled to have & share your opinion. And especially so considering that you've tried roon before. But I will admit that your's is the first negative experience I have come across regarding roon. Still no harm in blacksabbath giving it a try for free and finding out for himself, and a lot of fence sitters like me too.

But I am glad at least you trust our integrity , if not our intelligence

 

[insider9]

The Oppo is not even in the same league as the WXC-50 (in terms of usability) IMO.

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Sure, Roon addresses this issue for majority streamers. Must say Yamaha WXC-50 is not in the same game as a Roon, never mind the league.

As to DSP, I'm happy to assist and offered help over the phone. As Sabbath is a good chap and we met before I wouldn't rule out making a trip and helping him with DSP.

I appreciate it's worth to have a balanced discussion and worth having someone holding the opposite view but are there any constructive contributions to this forum that you bring? You seem to to talk about your contempt for opinions that are not aligned with yours, which it seems there are many.

As you would have noticed all I did above was suggest a way after Sabbath asked. I also insisted that he doesn't spend any money until he's sure the solution is right for him. Why is this a bad thing? Why would you deny Sabbath this experience? When he's off to demo some equipment, will you also suggest he should just stay at home and listen to what he already has?

Seems pointless to have a hobby and deny yourself trying out things. I'm not suggesting spending any money here.

 

[Blacksabbath25]

The Oppo is not even in the same league as the WXC-50 (in terms of usability) IMO.

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Sure, Roon addresses this issue for majority streamers. Must say Yamaha WXC-50 is not in the same game as a Roon, never mind the league.

As to DSP, I'm happy to assist and offered help over the phone. As Sabbath is a good chap and we met before I wouldn't rule out making a trip and helping him with DSP.

I appreciate it's worth to have a balanced discussion and worth having someone holding the opposite view but are there any constructive contributions to this forum that you bring? You seem to to talk about your contempt for opinions that are not aligned with yours, which it seems there are many.

As you would have noticed all I did above was suggest a way after Sabbath asked. I also insisted that he doesn't spend any money until he's sure the solution is right for him. Why is this a bad thing? Why would you deny Sabbath this experience? When he's off to demo some equipment, will you also suggest he should just stay at home and listen to what he already has?

Seems pointless to have a hobby and deny yourself trying out things. I'm not suggesting spending any money here.

I do not understand why people want to get angry over a solution that I want to try for free I did ask for your help last night and I can make my own mind up on things .

I am making use what I currently have so I can’t really see what the problem is I just wanted to know what was the best way of doing this properly .

 

[insider9]

I do not understand why people want to get angry over a solution that I want to try for free I did ask for your help last night and I can make my own mind up on things .

I am making use what I currently have so I can’t really see what the problem is I just wanted to know what was the best way of doing this properly .

Well said, Sabbath. Unless you try it for yourself you won't know. A mate of mine baulked at the price and decided he'd rather continue using what he's got. That's fine. There's many ways of doing it. As long it won't cost you to find out what's best for you keep trying them all, I say.

 

[Blacksabbath25]

I do not understand why people want to get angry over a solution that I want to try for free I did ask for your help last night and I can make my own mind up on things .

I am making use what I currently have so I can’t really see what the problem is I just wanted to know what was the best way of doing this properly .

Well said, Sabbath. Unless you try it for yourself you won't know. A mate of mine baulked at the price and decided he'd rather continue using what he's got. That's fine. There's many ways of doing it. As long it won't cost you to find out what's best for you keep trying them all, I say.

hi I have just brought dbPoweramp as it’s doing a good job it even finds album artwork and track info for £34 that’s not bad

I haven’t got Roon yet just using the ripper program and trying an album on the Oppo and the Yamaha to see how it sounds first before getting Roon software .

 

[insider9]

Lots of useful features with dbPoweramp and it's quick too. Let us know how you get on with comparisons I have a certain expectation what the difference will be but would rather see if you come up with the same

 

[Blacksabbath25]

Lots of useful features with dbPoweramp and it's quick too. Let us know how you get on with comparisons I have a certain expectation what the difference will be but would rather see if you come up with the same

is it ok if i can ring you i have an issue

 

[insider9]

I'll do my best!

 

[Blacksabbath25]

I'll do my best!

can you email your number again as I can’t find it in the emails

 

[Deleted member 108165]

Just wasted £34, you could have had EAC as freeware at absolutely no cost, just as good as dBpoweramp. As for album art I prefer to find my own via another free program called Album Art Downloader.

 

[Blacksabbath25]

Just been looking around at different software I came across Jriver which is a lot cheaper then Roon but not sure if it’s any good

I will try the free trial of Roon tomorrow but got to be honest it’s very expensive for a bit of software

is there any other software out there that’s free or cheaper and just as good as Roon ?

The bit of software I brought today works a treat but haven’t been able to stream the flac album over to the Yamaha wxc50 or Oppo player for some reason .

ive gave my desktop permission to stream on my network and the file shows on my hard drive but doesn’t show on the streamer or the Oppo but iTunes does on both .

so going by what you was telling me insider the Roon software will grab the flac file I made on my hard drive and then I should be able to hear the file .

I can listen to the flac file though my media player on windows ok but not streaming it

 

[insider9]

Lots of different software for different needs. In my opinion nothing comes close to what Roon offers. You could try Jriver or Audirvana (when it comes to Windows).

But at present you have no way to connect your PC to a DAC. So you'd either need a USB DAC or a USB to Coax converter.

Try Roon see what you think. If you don't like it or don't want to pay that much, try something else. Foobar2000 is a great free player. Or simply buy a streamer that has software you will be happy using.

 

[newlash09]

To be able to stream from your PC via either music cast or the oppo. You have to enable file sharing over networks in your PC. Please do a Google search ' enabling file sharing over networks in windows10'. The required steps should appear.

 

[Blacksabbath25]

To be able to stream from your PC via either music cast or the oppo. You have to enable file sharing over networks in your PC. Please do a Google search ' enabling file sharing over networks in windows10'. The required steps should appear.

I have already done that Newlash but for some reason it shows iTunes files on the Yamaha wxc50 and the Oppo but not the flac folder that I ripped with the new bit of software I brought today as the flac file will only seem to work with windows media player and I’ve spent all day messing around trying to sort it .

 

[JamesMellor]

roon wouldn't wake up the mac from the remotes on the laptop or pad had to wake the mac up from itunes first. Will try first start again tomorrow in case its me

 

[newlash09]

It surely is something to do with a network gremlin. Will probably need a geeky guy to sort this out.

Are both your PC and wxc50 hard wired to Lan. I read somewhere on avforums a similar issue with a music cast enabled Yamaha avr. And apparently the problem was with the subnet mask being used by the PC. Will see what I can find on this

 

[insider9]

roon wouldn't wake up  the mac from the remotes on the laptop or pad had to wake the mac up from itunes first. Will try first start again tomorrow in case its me 

No, Roon doesn't have that functionality. There are free apps that can do WOL