Real world biwiring results & recent upgrades - hifi fever still rising

[davedotco]

There are a lot of people who want to know how and why things work and that is a good thing. I do believe personally that when you know how some things work (such as bi wire) that there is no way your brain would hear an improvement, because it would already be biased from the start.

I just experimented scientifically with single and bi-wiring by pluging in and out in and out in and out, while listening to this song. I think I may need to buy more cables as well. I'm starting to hear a difference. And I actually have a BA in Sociology, go figure!

That explains a lot.....!

 

[Vladimir]

There are a lot of people who want to know how and why things work and that is a good thing. I do believe personally that when you know how some things work (such as bi wire) that there is no way your brain would hear an improvement, because it would already be biased from the start.

I just experimented scientifically with single and bi-wiring by pluging in and out in and out in and out, while listening to this song. I think I may need to buy more cables as well. I'm starting to hear a difference. And I actually have a BA in Sociology, go figure!

That explains a lot.....!

Not all bad I hope... *cray2*

 

[Anderson]

For those following this thread who are wondering what it is all about, take a look at this.

This shows the most basic form of a (12dB/octave) two way crossover. The high pass and the low pass filters are connected in parallel across the speaker input terminals, the + ve and - ve points on the diagram. This is a normal single wire connection.

What bi-wiring does is simply to move the point at which the inputs to the separate filters come together, from the terminals on the back of the speaker to the terminals on the back of the amplifier. That's it.

The implication is that by wiring each filter back to the amplifier output terminals separately, you are somehow getting a better separation between the high pass and the low pass filter and therefore a better sound.

This is all OP needs to know, it has the added bonus being correct.

 

[Covenanter]

For those following this thread who are wondering what it is all about, take a look at this.

This shows the most basic form of a (12dB/octave) two way crossover. The high pass and the low pass filters are connected in parallel across the speaker input terminals, the + ve and - ve points on the diagram. This is a normal single wire connection.

What bi-wiring does is simply to move the point at which the inputs to the separate filters come together, from the terminals on the back of the speaker to the terminals on the back of the amplifier. That's it.

The implication is that by wiring each filter back to the amplifier output terminals separately, you are somehow getting a better separation between the high pass and the low pass filter and therefore a better sound.

This is all OP needs to know, it has the added bonus being correct.

+1

Chris

 

[matt49]

For those interested in the electronics of biwiring, this may be of interest. The conclusions are (sensibly) guarded.

 

[Covenanter]

For those interested in the electronics of biwiring, this may be of interest. The conclusions are (sensibly) guarded.

It is sensible and makes the point that others have made - with good thick speaker cable any effects will be so small as to be undetectable.

Chris

 

[tonky]

It takes a troll to know a troll eh vlad!

 

[Vladimir]

It takes a troll to know a troll eh vlad!

How would you know?

 

[Thompsonuxb]

Oh boy.

 

[tinkywinkydipsylalapo]

 

[tonky]

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[Freddy58]

What we need is more love

 

[Vladimir]

What we need is more love

In a cable thread? *preved*

 

[Freddy58]

What we need is more love

In a cable thread? *preved*

Especially in a cable thread *wink*

 

[TatuHoo]

I made what few of you suggested and I replaced the metallic connectors between the two speaker wire connectors of an individual speaker with piece of quality cable, to both speakers. No audible improvement in sound there! Like I kind of took it already seriously. You can trust I do have cables that are seriously ok!

Then I repeated the biwiring test and the step up in SQ re-appeared, like many times before (yes A/B testing is there so is the controlling of EVERY other variable relevant). There might be different cases than those tested in many studies with 2 way speakers & with one set or two set frequencies: e.g. my Dalis have dome & ribbon element in hign region. With frequencies and added components things do no always go linear. A completely different thing when you go into deep details! And I do not know the schematis of my Audiolab 8000Ms, ther might lie an explanation too. But I really don't care!

Vladimir you might be a mighty marvellous guy, liked and, god forbid, respected over here, but you need to meet you doctor to get you ears unwaxed! If you come over & do not hear the difference, you have a serious problem! This is someting you can't miss! The deep technical reasons in THIS particular case are not interest of mine, only sound matters! And I am talking about THIS ONE case! Perhaps you and your minions get it this time!

And like you said how liked poking me, I am sorry, I am taken by a woman, perhaps you and your merry friend cheeseguy can work out together something! Biwiring perhaps! You two could definitely hit a higher a note with your double cables than alone! What do you think? Merry X-mas!

 

[Freddy58]

Tatu, if you heard an improvement, then good for you

Don't be so hard on Vlad, he's a jolly good chap, right Vlad? *biggrin*

 

[TatuHoo]

I take some time till I do bad wording, he won't. He shoots from the hip! It means like aimless of some sort! His target is not the hobby and helping out with your hobby, but insulting and looking cool front of people he thinks think he is cool!

 

[BigH]

www.achievum.eu/bi-wiring.html

 

[steve_1979]

You may find this an interesting read TatuHoo. Clicky

 

[Vladimir]

Currently eating pizza and watching people eating bugs in order to survive on Naked and Afraid. What are you chaps on about? Wiring stuff?

 

[TatuHoo]

So I did not experience it at all interesting. I have made no claims larger than my system (subjective)! See how many times I said "THIS" or "PARTICULAR" avoiding generalisations! So nope, sorry . But I think Vladimir should be!

 

[tinkywinkydipsylalapo]

You may find this an interesting read TatuHoo. Clicky

aka 'It must be true, because some bloke on the internet says so.'

 

[NS496]

I often experiment with my different sets of gear just for the fun of it. I have 3 x amps and 3x different sets of speakers and often interchange them to hear what happens. This is what hifi is about for me - the experimentation and thrill of 'finding' a combination that works. If that entails bi-wiring or bi-amping or exotic cables, so be it. This is a hobby, done for fun is how I see it...

If you've ever gone to the trouble experimenting you'll know that sometimes certain combinations simply produces magic, and this is not always predictable scientifically. Sometimes components that was viewed as 'mediocre' by the reviews produces a stunning combination with other 'mediocre' components - What is the science in that? Point is, I don't think our scientific model fits the subject... We are applying scientific rigor to a highly subjective and emotional experience. For example, CD is superior to vinyl in many 'scientific' respects, yet plenty of people prefer vinyl... It is not scientific, but it is human.

To the OP, I would say keep on experimenting and 'caring' enough to do it. Hi-Fi is supposedly a myth, all amps sound the same and we're all fooled by audio conmen. Yet somehow we all care enought about this 'nonsense' to spend time to post here.

 

[Anderson]

This thread is hilarious, OP still trying to justify why he can hear a real improvement with his own system. It's definitely not expectation basis, definitely.

I think we should lock the thread, its getting embarrassing now.

 

[Anderson]

You may find this an interesting read TatuHoo. Clicky

aka 'It must be true, because some bloke on the internet says so.'

He cites sources, is there something specific you disagree with?