Real world biwiring results & recent upgrades - hifi fever still rising

[cheeseboy]

Honestly Cheeseboy Were you find the neck from to call me a troll I do not know.

Please step outside yourself for a moment and read your contribution to this thread alone.

Something not quite right about you.

what exactly has been your contribution to the thread apart from trying to belittle everybody who has tried to explain, with reasons why what the op has posted was incorrect? Answers on postcard please. You were able to be civil in another thread, and low and behold you got a civil answer, all you are doing here is trolling.

 

[Vladimir]

The Thompsons are spawning. This winter has some potential for forum entertainment after all.

 

[spiny norman]

Heartening to see the Forum so imbued with the spirit of the season.

 

[cheeseboy]

Heartening to see the Forum so imbued with the spirit of the season.

In my case, quite literally, probably too much of the old lagavullin last night

 

[ID.]

The Thompsons are spawning. This winter has some potential for forum entertainment after all.

And to think of all the "entertainment" I've missed on other forums due to the provision of a multiquote function.

 

[davedotco]

For those following this thread who are wondering what it is all about, take a look at this.

This shows the most basic form of a (12dB/octave) two way crossover. The high pass and the low pass filters are connected in parallel across the speaker input terminals, the + ve and - ve points on the diagram. This is a normal single wire connection.

What bi-wiring does is simply to move the point at which the inputs to the separate filters come together, from the terminals on the back of the speaker to the terminals on the back of the amplifier. That's it.

The implication is that by wiring each filter back to the amplifier output terminals separately, you are somehow getting a better separation between the high pass and the low pass filter and therefore a better sound.

 

[Vladimir]

 

[steve_1979]

*ROFL*

 

[Thompsonuxb]

I read through the thread - many people will read through this thread a few will contribute and some may consider what the OP said and try it for themselves. it's what this hobby is about

Me, frankly I just felt a need to comment on some of the responses, is all. You guys disappoint me.

Frankly I'm expecting Vlad to start dumping meaningless post in here to derail it even further.

Lol.... It's not even close to boxing day.

Honestly Cheeseboy Were you find the neck from to call me a troll I do not know.

Please step outside yourself for a moment and read your contribution to this thread alone.

Something not quite right about you.

what exactly has been your contribution to the thread apart from trying to belittle everybody who has tried to explain, with reasons why what the op has posted was incorrect?  Answers on postcard please.  You were able to be civil in another thread, and low and behold you got a civil answer, all you are doing here is trolling.

 

[Thompsonuxb]

Oh I see vlads already started while I was composing my previous post.......

Disappointing but sadly predictable.

 

[ID.]

Ooh, Nordost

I use this http://www.vhaudio.com/tunaminigo.html

But I have some Nordost Flatline Gold MK II in a biwire configuration

Maybe we've all gone through a speaker cable swapping phase.

Want me to switch them in and out and see what differences I hear?

 

[cheeseboy]

You guys disappoint me.

sorry, can't hear you, the horse is waaaaay to high you're sat on to reach my fake intellectual ears. Maybe some better cables might help?

 

[chebby]

You guys disappoint me.

How? What did they promise you?

 

[Vladimir]

But I have some Nordost Flatline Gold MK II in a biwire configuration

I don't care how they sound. I just want to have them so I can caress their copper blonde locks inappropriately and featherdust them frequently. I would keep them in bi-wiring formation as well.

These mono-wired brunette techflex Audioquest Type 4s bore me after 4 years being together. I just throw them in the washer with my hiking boots and call it a day.

 

[TatuHoo]

I have seriously had enough.

I and My cables remove ourselves from This Playground. I am totally in a Wrong place here. I am way too old for This Kind of moderator approved harrasment of People You do not even know.

I Will actively spread the word that in case You have mentality of over 40 year old, do not enter!

You guys should consider a possibility that this place Can be a extension to a hobby that keeps a person on right track during sone really rough time.

Gaming forums were Like This back in the way. Too Bad!

 

[Vladimir]

Next.

 

[spiny norman]

Next.

Yeah, great work – another one driven away.

 

[MeanandGreen]

You guys should consider a possibility that this place Can be a extension to a hobby that keeps a person on right track during sone really rough time.

I relate to what you're saying. The thought of talking about things with people you share an interest in is a nice idea. Especially if real life is on a bit of a downer at the moment.

The thing with the Internet is, some people like the anonymous safety of it. It's the only place they are able to vent their own frustrations in away they wouldn't get away with in real life. In real life most people wouldn't be so rude or insulting. You just have to ignore whatever may offend you, this is a subject which always causes debate.

There are a lot of people who want to know how and why things work and that is a good thing. I do believe personally that when you know how some things work (such as bi wire) that there is no way your brain would hear an improvement, because it would already be biased from the start. Our brain is very subjective regarding audio and has a high potential to be fooled. I agree the way some may put things across is lacking in some tact perhaps, but there is no real need to be offended.

Everyone here does share a genuine interest in Hi-Fi and music, just some peoples technical understanding makes them less than tolerable of subjects such as these. Anything regarding, cables, bi wiring, electricity quality, warm up, burn in, etc... Etc... Always goes the same way, it's not a personal attack on you. Like you said these people do not even know you. Just take it with a pinch of salt.

If you like the results you hear from your set up that's great! I'm pleased it's working for you. That is the whole point of this interest, getting maximum enjoyment from your music. It doesn't matter how you achieve it or what you do or don't believe. As long as what you have is working for you then that is what counts.

Hopefully you will stick around, as there aren't many people who give a damn about Hi-Fi these days so the more the merrier I say!

 

[MickyBlue]

put your budget into a good single wire cable and change the interlinks if you wish for the same outcome.

 

[Vladimir]

There are a lot of people who want to know how and why things work and that is a good thing. I do believe personally that when you know how some things work (such as bi wire) that there is no way your brain would hear an improvement, because it would already be biased from the start.

I just experimented scientifically with single and bi-wiring by pluging in and out in and out in and out, while listening to this song. I think I may need to buy more cables as well. I'm starting to hear a difference. And I actually have a BA in Sociology, go figure!

 

[fr0g]

There are a lot of people who want to know how and why things work and that is a good thing. I do believe personally that when you know how some things work (such as bi wire) that there is no way your brain would hear an improvement, because it would already be biased from the start.

I just experimented scientifically with single and bi-wiring by pluging in and out in and out in and out, while listening to this song. I think I may need to buy more cables as well. I'm starting to hear a difference. And I actually have a BA in Sociology, go figure!

I always heard a difference when I knew I was changing things...Later, shorter in pocket, listening when I had no clue there was a change, I heard nothing.

Anyone can say they can hear the difference when they swap a cable. I doubt one percent of one percent of one percent of those changes has actually changed the audible sound.

Why subjective testing of things that are objectively testable, are meaningless and entirely "unscientific"

To the OP, if you are still reading...This is a good forum. And these days, in many ways it is better because of the lack of moderation.

But if you post things that are testable, scientifically, and then foward some spurious Appeal to authority fallacy about you being a scientist "so my entirely unscientific test methods must be valid" BS, then you'll get a response from people who know better.

It's not "rude" per se, but can come across that way if you're new...

You should stick around, and you should endeavour to test your findings blind and maybe document them...

In the end, it's all about the music, and the Hi Fi bit of the site is what most here are interested in. High Fidelity. It's great to get great sound, and it's also great to try to put to bed the nonsense tweaks and tricks that do nothing other than line the pockets of Conmen.

Homeopathy, Ghosts, Raiki, Biwiring, Expensive cables of all sorts...all belong in the "We sussed your BS!" bin.

 

[jerryapril]

If you think biwiring is useless, your links are double of that.

You were supposed to thread your single run positive from top post to the bottom one and the negative wire from the bottom post to the top one. That would have been - well an improvement.

Glad you like your links. Me too, with meshed.

Bottoms up!

Merry Christmas everyone.

 

[lindsayt]

The Thompsons are spawning. This winter has some potential for forum entertainment after all.

The Thompson Twins may have Nothing in Common with you, but at least we have Love on our Side. The Gap between you and them is not Make Believe.

I'll be Watching this thread with interest...

 

[lindsayt]

http://circuitcalculator.com/wordpress/2007/06/18/skin-effect-calculator/

There may be some scientific basis in bi-wiring. Skin effect depends on frequency.

Although I'd expect the effects to be subtle. The sort of differences that would be drowned out by changing the speakers to ones with a totally different design philosophy, for example.

But then with cable type changes what's subtle or non-existant to me can be important to game changing for other people.

 

[Vladimir]

Skin effect is something to worry about when you have kilometers of powerlines with huge current flowing. The claim made by a creative cable salesman that skin effect applies to speaker cables 6 feet long for playing music, simply can be proven/disproven with a double blind test. A calculator or an osciloscope wont tell you if it's audible or not. Same for bi-wiring, does it make not only electrical but also audible difference.

As for the troll, I have fun poking him. Others prefer petting him and calling him George. Each to their own I reckon.