MUSICRAFT said:
no, you tell us all as well as your past, present and future customers how does it feel to ridicule someone in public who left in your shop few thousand pounds?
no, you tell us all as well as your past, present and future customers how does it feel to ridicule someone in public who left in your shop few thousand pounds?
that took the time out to undertake this comparison and post their results.
The reaction of some on here has shocked me though. Personally I wouldn't bother to do it again if I were you Andrew, why subject yourself to any more of this childish abuse?
As for Rick from Music Craft. You'd be the last person I'd ever think of buying any hifi related gear off if this is how you conduct yourself with someone that's previously handed over lots of their hard earned. I wonder how many potential customers are giving you a wide birth? How you even got nominated for Hegel dealer of the year let alone win it with your patronising and childish antics is beyond me! Some of you need to get a life, there's a real world out there with real problems, hifi isn't the be all and end all... Rant over and regards.
Just one question re the AVI's, perhaps it's very obvious to the more enlightened here... (so Rick this is where I imagine you'll step in and come out with some scathing sarcasm) Anyway, I was wondering is there a way of disabling the AVI's onboard dac, if there's an external DAC being employed and say decoding a DSD or file format above 24/96 audio signal? Do they work in tandem, one automatically override the other, pass through?
I for one am seriously tempted to try the AVI's. For me they make a lot of sense as I don't have unlimited funds for endless amplification upgrades for minimal improvements. Plus lowering the box count is a big plus. If I do I'll be sure to keep my dirty little secret to myself.
The reaction of some on here has shocked me though. Personally I wouldn't bother to do it again if I were you Andrew, why subject yourself to any more of this childish abuse?
As for Rick from Music Craft. You'd be the last person I'd ever think of buying any hifi related gear off if this is how you conduct yourself with someone that's previously handed over lots of their hard earned. I wonder how many potential customers are giving you a wide birth? How you even got nominated for Hegel dealer of the year let alone win it with your patronising and childish antics is beyond me! Some of you need to get a life, there's a real world out there with real problems, hifi isn't the be all and end all... Rant over and regards.
Just one question re the AVI's, perhaps it's very obvious to the more enlightened here... (so Rick this is where I imagine you'll step in and come out with some scathing sarcasm) Anyway, I was wondering is there a way of disabling the AVI's onboard dac, if there's an external DAC being employed and say decoding a DSD or file format above 24/96 audio signal? Do they work in tandem, one automatically override the other, pass through?
I for one am seriously tempted to try the AVI's. For me they make a lot of sense as I don't have unlimited funds for endless amplification upgrades for minimal improvements. Plus lowering the box count is a big plus. If I do I'll be sure to keep my dirty little secret to myself.
Infiniteloop
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luckylion100 said:
hi luckylion100
you can use pair of RCA's at the back of 10's and plug in any external dac, phono pre etc
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Andrewjvt said:
Which ATC's you got? - I'll see if there's a SAM profile for them to use on my Dev 200.
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Andrewjvt said:
There's a SAM profile for the SCM12's but not the 11's... Still would be interesting to see what the DEV makes of them without SAM.
For reference, SAM pushes the bass response of the 12's from their usual 47Khz down to 14Khz.
http://en.devialet.com/sam-ready-speakers/page/atc/atc-scm12
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steve_1979
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luckylion100 said:
The DAC in the DM10 is only used when you use one of the s/pdif optical inputs. As mentioned by Ipv, if you use the DM10 analogue RCA input it bypasses the DAC in the speaker.
For example in the setup that you see in my signature, I'm not using the DM10s built in DAC at all. It's actually using the DAC in the Yamaha DSP-E800 receiver to do the digital to analogue conversion. I have my PC connected to the Yamaha via a digital s/pdif cable, then the Yamaha's analogue outputs are connected to the DM10 and subwoofer via screened analogue RCA cables.
Not that it makes any difference to the sound which DAC I use. They both sound identical as far as I can tell but it's more convenient to use the DAC and volume control on the Yamaha.
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plastic penguin said:
I do. Over the years I've seen many insulting personal remarks aimed directly at people which I disagree with. It's happened on both this forum and the AVI one (I've even got carried away myself and said few things that I've later regretted).
This thread has probably past it's point of usefulness now. I enjoy posting here and wouldn't want to upset anyone or get caught up in an inter-forum bun fight I so it's probably best if I stay away from this thread from now on.
(although I don't mind answering any sensible DM10 related questions if I feel it would be helpful).
luckylion100 said:
Good post.
I'm not at all suprised by the outcome, the old Avi ADM9.1 was better than my Chord qbd76/ATC SIA 2-150/ATC SCM19 - even on the same stands...
Personally I can't think of anything I'd rather own than Avi, I once heard some big Quad panels that I really liked but, with my system having to fit in the livingroom and share space with a massive dog and an active 5 year old, that's not happening. I'd really hate having a rack full of kit again too.
An active 5 year old? Maybe compare to my passive 16 year old sometime? Not here, though ;-)
It's an interesting thread. I suppose that it raises existential issues surrounding much of what is considered holy or proper in these parts. For goodness sake - the notion that all vaguely decent DACs sound the same is sacrilegious enough! Maybe once one has the answer to the name of the magazine/forum, it's time to quietly depart?
It's an interesting thread. I suppose that it raises existential issues surrounding much of what is considered holy or proper in these parts. For goodness sake - the notion that all vaguely decent DACs sound the same is sacrilegious enough! Maybe once one has the answer to the name of the magazine/forum, it's time to quietly depart?
I believe someone else has posted a link to an article about Sinar Baja who have designed special drivers for us. The owners have actually visited us and they have Rosewood DM10s.
Sinar Baja make over eight million drivers a year as well as 1.5 million pairs of speakers for other companies. They supply everyone from Yamaha through Genelec to Bentley. They designed the Naim speakers for Bentley too. They also have a lab in Denmark where they employ ex Scanspeak personnel.
Here's an email from Ivan Santoso who I think is in charge of sales. It was after a team had evaluated DM10s.
Sinar Baja make over eight million drivers a year as well as 1.5 million pairs of speakers for other companies. They supply everyone from Yamaha through Genelec to Bentley. They designed the Naim speakers for Bentley too. They also have a lab in Denmark where they employ ex Scanspeak personnel.
Here's an email from Ivan Santoso who I think is in charge of sales. It was after a team had evaluated DM10s.
Ashley James said:
For gawd's sake, give it a rest, man. You're beginning to sound like that mad old uncle who tells you the same stories every time you see him. Yes, we know that in your mind the world's loudspeaker companies bow at your feet, and wise men make the annual pilgrimage to the shed, but we've heard all these stories before from your disciples.
And WHFSV, shame on you for the lack of moderation here: can anyone now come back under with a new account, however many times they have abused these forums? Perhaps its time for Darren's Fat Spanish Waiter to start shilling the speakers with which he has no connection whatsoever, too?
To be fair Norm there are others on the forum who haven't "followed" us so assiduously for ten years now and who may be interested.
This has all been very amusing, but I've run out of popcorn
while I understand the backlash over "shilling" or people towing the AVI party line or whatever heinous metaphor you want to apply, it all seems excessive and verging on paranoid trying to find holes in something that was just a simple write up of their experiences. Some of the stuff from people who have never even heard the speakers really makes me wonder WTF is going on.
while I understand the backlash over "shilling" or people towing the AVI party line or whatever heinous metaphor you want to apply, it all seems excessive and verging on paranoid trying to find holes in something that was just a simple write up of their experiences. Some of the stuff from people who have never even heard the speakers really makes me wonder WTF is going on.
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