Frank Harvey
Well-known member
No one Nick - we are exclusive UK retailers. The UK dristributor also supplies the UK, but obviously they have no premises over here 
MUSICRAFT said:
Not as fast, tight, deep, powerful, grippy, driven or hard hitting as a DXD12012. :hand:
FrankHarveyHiFi said:
With the F113 at £3695 you can get a pair of DXD12012s for just £250 more. There was not really any competition with the DXD12012 at £2495 so at £1979 it is game over. :rofl:
MUSICRAFT
Well-known member
Howdy CaptHowdy
Good to see your support for the DXD-12012 :beer: Anyway, hold that thought.
In the meantime good accurate audio monitoring and good sound reproduction to you
All the best
Sheriff Rick @ Musicraft
Good to see your support for the DXD-12012 :beer: Anyway, hold that thought.
In the meantime good accurate audio monitoring and good sound reproduction to you
All the best
Sheriff Rick @ Musicraft
MUSICRAFT
Well-known member
Howdy CaptHowdy
Good to see your support for the DXD-12012 :beer: Anyway, hold that thought.
In the meantime good accurate audio monitoring and good sound reproduction to you
All the best
Sheriff Rick @ Musicraft
Good to see your support for the DXD-12012 :beer: Anyway, hold that thought.
In the meantime good accurate audio monitoring and good sound reproduction to you
All the best
Sheriff Rick @ Musicraft
MUSICRAFT said:Howdy CaptHowdy
Good to see your support for the DXD-12012 :beer: Anyway, hold that thought.
In the meantime good accurate audio monitoring and good sound reproduction to you
All the best
Sheriff Rick @ Musicraft
and sarcasm is like a second language to me so I am right there with ya.
MUSICRAFT
Well-known member
CaptHowdy said:MUSICRAFT said:Howdy CaptHowdy
Good to see your support for the DXD-12012 :beer: Anyway, hold that thought.
In the meantime good accurate audio monitoring and good sound reproduction to you
All the best
Sheriff Rick @ Musicraft
and sarcasm is like a second language to me so I am right there with ya.
Howdy partner
I don't know what you're talking about :?
All the best
Sheriff Rick @ Musicraft
CaptHowdy said:
they probably are the same ones but why do you say they talk rubbish?
with "they" who exactly are you referring to do you mind me asking
these things take time as i`m sure you will understand, and whats the point in releasing a product if its not ready, talk about its coming yes, why not everyone else does, its called marketing.
JL Audio aren`t awesome because I sell them
I sell them because they are awesome, well to me they are and everyone else who has heard them here
if you want to come for a listen your welcome anytime
Allan
ideal av said:
You were the one that first mention 'they' so not sure why you are asking me.
It seems that the Subs were ready but the release of the KK Subs then had a big impact on the original plan.
I have already heard the 113 and for me it did not live up to the asking price. It is well built and does look and feel expensive but to me the performance is probably worth around £1500 now that the DXD12012 has dropped in price. It reminded me of the old SVS SB13 but with a bit more punch and control. I much preferred the Velodyne DD12+ at the same price. I also preferred the Paradigm Sub 15 at £500 less. But then came the DXD12012 and at £2500 is was too good to ignore. Now it is down to £1979 I really could not imagine why anyone would weant to spend so much more for something with a lower performance. If a single Sub is required then it would take something like the Paradigm Sub1 to improve on the DXD12012 and possibly the Velodyne DD15+ would have a chance if onbaord EQ was required. But with both of them at around the £4500 mark I highly recommend making room for dual DXD12012s.
I am not saying the F113 is a bad Sub but it just is not worth £3695 and does not match the performance of a single DXD12012.
MUSICRAFT said:
I was thinking that a quattro quattro stack of DXD12012 was a bit unobtainable until i saw the price of the fathom gotham
£10995. So if you were to go with the recommended 4 sub option advocated by various publication that would be £43980
Taking the KK 4 sub quattro route would be £31664. Would 4 13.5" dual subs be better than 16 12" dual subs even discounting you'd be paying £12316 more. I think if you could afford to pay circa 31K for subwoofers you would have the room for Quattro Quattro stack.
I'm sure the Fathoms are great but they do seem a tad overpriced.
I think you have actually highlighted what great value the KK's are Rick :cheers:
Frank Harvey
Well-known member
At the moment v1c, we're seeing a few products emerging (hi-fi and AV) that are redefining what is possible for their price point. One of those are KEF's R series, another is Pioneer's new range of Class D hi-fi amplifiers, to name just two. Add to that the DXD12012. For the last couple of years, the subwoofer market has been hiked up in price, taking the high end out of reach of most people. Granted, some of these subs are built without fault, and could be dropped out of a first floor window and survive with only a few scratches. But when you actually look at what you get - in some cases, around £3k for a single 10" driver - it's just ludicrous. And adding in a bit of DSP doesn't make it VFM! I honestly thi that what we're looking at here is a product that is going to make manufacturers sit up and think, "s***, we've got to start from scratch!". Ken's "old but gold" dual 12" MX5100SF sub (considered by many to be the pinnacle of home theatre subwoofery) was £3300 - the DXD12012 outperforms that comfortably, and is under £2k - how is that not a game changer?
I know some will be thinking, "he sells them, he will say that", I'd like to say that I don't 'big up' anything that doesn't deserve it. If I claimed any old product was awesome, I'd just make myself look stupid to those that knew it wasn't. We took on Ken's products because we knew how good they were going to be. Those that have owned his MX subwoofers before know what I'm talking about, and this new range wasn't going to be any different (only better!). We knew they would be special, hence we asked for exclusivity.
I know some will be thinking, "he sells them, he will say that", I'd like to say that I don't 'big up' anything that doesn't deserve it. If I claimed any old product was awesome, I'd just make myself look stupid to those that knew it wasn't. We took on Ken's products because we knew how good they were going to be. Those that have owned his MX subwoofers before know what I'm talking about, and this new range wasn't going to be any different (only better!). We knew they would be special, hence we asked for exclusivity.
MUSICRAFT
Well-known member
v1c said:
Hi v1c
Hold that thought :beer:
Anyway, i am comfortable with the pricing of the Fathom and Gotham sub woofers. If i wasn't then i would not support these products
All the best
Rick @ Musicraft
MUSICRAFT said:Anyway, i am comfortable with the pricing of the Fathom and Gotham sub woofers. If i wasn't then i would not support these products
Hold that thought. :wave:
I was in a fortunate enough position to listen to a quattro setup of the dxd12012 over the weekend and all I can say is that the bass on the whole was sharp and thunderous. The depth is there and the attack of the upper bass as well.
Frank Harvey
Well-known member
v1c said:Sammy i am very envious of your experience
Why be envious v1c? Saturday 1st December.... >)
Frank Harvey
Well-known member
I wasn't going to mention it because it has always been against the rules, but it seems that those rules no longer exist, so yes, we have an open day on Saturday 1st December - there'll be a few new products on demo, and some exclusive first appearances
God, its been a while since I posted on this forum, did not know it had a KK thread going, good to see his new subs are getting the recognition they deserve :cheers:
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