Oppo BDP-831?

[skr1]

Andrew Everard:
skr1:I should have mine in house on Friday (at last) Do I burn Incense before Opening the Box?

Whatever you do - Don't Open The Box!!!!

lov it

 

[Sorreltiger]

Just because there's a (metaphorical) Mexican Wave going on during a break in the action, don't make the mistake of assuming I'm not interested or taking the mickey. My credit card is poised..........

 

[laserman16]

Will Harris:recruit:OMG - No wonder NO one takes WHF seriously

Mate, this happens every time. You get used to it. Trust me.

Yup, makes it all the more interesting.

 

[Andrew Everard]

recruit:OMG - No wonder NO one takes WHF seriously

Just the million or so readers every month...

 

[AndrewH13]

Have read a high-end company are going to re-badge this and charge a thousand or two more for it! Strange why people would buy the higher-priced model?

 

[Anonymous]

Well it's all in the implementation of the electronics into a nice, quadruple layered, thermonuclear shielded, case, weighing 18kgs and coming with a certificate that states that the player is directional to boot. This usually adds a good couple of grand.

Can't think of the other usual snake charmers methods, but I have to admit I was astonished to see Bang & Olufsen charging 10k for a 50inch plasma with a nice shiny silver surround and a little ambiant light sensing eye. When a Kuro costs £2.5k what exactly was the B&O doing better than the best screen in the world. Oh loads the salesman assured me. Riiiiiiiiiight. You believe that you'll believe anything. Sadly, many do. It was pretty though

 

[Andrew Everard]

Will Harris:I have to admit I was astonished to see Bang & Olufsen charging 10k for a 50inch plasma with a nice shiny silver surround and a little ambiant light sensing eye. When a Kuro costs £2.5k what exactly was the B&O doing better than the best screen in the world. Oh loads the salesman assured me. Riiiiiiiiiight. You believe that you'll believe anything. Sadly, many do. It was pretty though

Let's see: anodised aluminium casework, a very high-quality speaker module, its own picture processing software including a continuous calibration system able to ensure any drift in the picture is compensated for, the kind of future product support most other manufacturers dream about, etc., etc...

 

[The_Lhc]

recruit:OMG - No wonder NO one takes WHF seriously

What's your problem? Are you saying the magazine staff aren't allowed a sense of humour?

I can't believe anybody actually thinks this is a bad thing.

 

[Clare Newsome]

Damned if we do, damned if we don't...

If you go right back to the beginning of this thread, the OP refers to me modelling a shopping bag - highly serious from the start, then

 

[skr1]

[Will Harris:Well it's all in the implementation of the electronics into a nice, quadruple layered, thermonuclear shielded, case, weighing 18kgs and coming with a certificate that states that the player is directional to boot. This usually adds a good couple of grand.

Can't think of the other usual snake charmers methods, but I have to admit I was astonished to see Bang & Olufsen charging 10k for a 50inch plasma with a nice shiny silver surround and a little ambiant light sensing eye. When a Kuro costs £2.5k what exactly was the B&O doing better than the best screen in the world. Oh loads the salesman assured me. Riiiiiiiiiight. You believe that you'll believe anything. Sadly, many do. It was pretty though

Once paid extra for a motorbike because it had a chrome exhaust the other model had a matt black exhaust....You always pay more for shiny bits..Note Andrews comment I think that more is going on here than a chrome..Shiny trim.

 

[Anonymous]

Andrew Everard:
Will Harris:I have to admit I was astonished to see Bang & Olufsen charging 10k for a 50inch plasma with a nice shiny silver surround and a little ambiant light sensing eye. When a Kuro costs £2.5k what exactly was the B&O doing better than the best screen in the world. Oh loads the salesman assured me. Riiiiiiiiiight. You believe that you'll believe anything. Sadly, many do. It was pretty though

Let's see: anodised aluminium casework, a very high-quality speaker module, its own picture processing software including a continuous calibration system able to ensure any drift in the picture is compensated for, the kind of future product support most other manufacturers dream about, etc., etc...

Yeah, but Andrew, can you honestly tell me that adding that all on is worth 3 more entire Kuro TVs? How can they charge £7,500 more for the features you've just mentioned? It's really amazing. They have a great brand and they have snob value. Even I think their portable phones are like little works of art, and I could live with myself if I tossed £300-500 away on a banana phone, but charging 4 times the price of a Kuro, for basically a Kuro with frills is a remarkable achievement. If they sold any (and I'll bet they did) they deserve a medal. But then again, if you were a banker, you'd want the best in the living room to impress your mates. What I can never understand is why people buying this aren't concerned that they'll look a fool when people see the folly of their purchase. If I was a big shot financier (maybe oneday

) then I wouldn't want to undermine that with an austentatious purchase that just highlighted how little I knew, but how much money I had to waste. Unless of course that was the whole point! (Think Apple Ap with the Pink Diamond on the screen for £999)!

 

[Anonymous]

skr1:
[Will Harris:Well it's all in the implementation of the electronics into a nice, quadruple layered, thermonuclear shielded, case, weighing 18kgs and coming with a certificate that states that the player is directional to boot. This usually adds a good couple of grand.

Can't think of the other usual snake charmers methods, but I have to admit I was astonished to see Bang & Olufsen charging 10k for a 50inch plasma with a nice shiny silver surround and a little ambiant light sensing eye. When a Kuro costs £2.5k what exactly was the B&O doing better than the best screen in the world. Oh loads the salesman assured me. Riiiiiiiiiight. You believe that you'll believe anything. Sadly, many do. It was pretty though

Once paid extra for a motorbike because it had a chrome exhaust the other model had a matt black exhaust....You always pay more for shiny bits..Note Andrews comment I think that more is going on here than a chrome..Shiny trim.

SKR1 did you pay 4 times the price for the whole bike to get the chrome exhausts? That's where I'm left flabberghasted by B&O, it's not marginally more expensive for the frills, you can buy 4 whole Kuro's for the price of one of theirs. That's another order of magnitude from your bike example. They're not even remotely comparable. Can anyone see where I'm coming from. Please don't all just do the "disagree with Will at all costs because it's Will" thing.

 

[Clare Newsome]

Yes, you're paying a style and brand premium for the B&O - but you're also paying extra for unique technology and build, plus superior customer service. As long as the consumer is armed with the facts - and insists on a good demo, as ever - it's their choice whether that premium is worth it to them.

 

[Andrew Everard]

Bang & Olufsen equipment tends to be bought by people who probably wouldn't even set foot inside a conventional home cinema/hi-fi shop, but prefer the level of customer service the company can offer - before, during and long after sale -, the fact that all the products integrate perfectly to give one-button operation, the sheer quality of build, which you really can't appreciate unless you've seen them being designed, tested and assembled (from raw materials in many cases), and the ability to tell the shop staff what one wants and have everything taken care of, from custom finishes to installation and set-up to ongoing advice and service.

You might as well say why buy a Rolex when a Swatch keeps time just as well, or why buy a Bentley when a Passat will get you to the shops. Or indeed why buy an Arcam AVR600 when any number of other receivers will do what it does...

Oh, and a B&O TV isn't a Kuro of any kind. The plasma models' display panel, but only the display panel, comes from Panasonic.

 

[The_Lhc]

Andrew Everard:Or indeed why buy an Arcam AVR600 when any number of other receivers will do what it does...

Crash all the time?

 

[Andrew Everard]

 

[chebby]

I don't think B&O or their customers need to explain themselves, their values, or their products to you do they?

If it is such terrible value then don't buy it.

Having heard/seen a £35K B&O AV system a couple of years ago in the Chichester B&O showroom I can only say I was totally blown away. I don't mind admitting I could never afford it, but good luck to those who can.

I dare say - given enough time and research - I could put a system together for a third of that price with equivalently impressive sound and picture quality, but it would probably look like a wood veneered and plastic version of Stonehenge in comparison to the B&O system (any one part of which could qualify as a design classic.)

People who can comfortably afford this stuff tend not to have the time or inclination to argue about their purchase decisions on forums with the likes of you and I, and they will have made the money back in a week or two anyway

Even better than that Will, you might have helped pay for it!

 

[AndrewH13]

Andrew Everard:Or indeed why buy an Arcam AVR600 when any number of other receivers will do what it does...
Crash all the time?

Funniest comment so far

Actually I really sympathize with the Arcam owners. Believe new fw has improved things.

 

[Anonymous]

It has improved things indeed. Haven't had any lock ups since installing 1.9.

Good points about the B&O. It is all relative and there's a lot to be said for busy successful people simply saying what they want and letting someone else figure it out. It costs, but perhaps for some, there are more important considerations. There's no denying the beauty of B&O kit, it's just very very expensive. I hope that one day I'm wealthy enough to even consider making this decision! (Even though, I almost certainly won't choose to). I don't think the Arcam AVR600 deserves to be put in the same category of paying for frills as B&O kit though. But maybe it does, when owners of Onkyo 607 amps are asked their view! LOL.

 

[laserman16]

the_lhc:

recruit:OMG - No wonder NO one takes WHF seriously

What's your problem? Are you saying the magazine staff aren't allowed a sense of humour?

I can't believe anybody actually thinks this is a bad thing.

If people can't have a sense of humour its a very sad world indeed.

 

[pete321]

Will Harris:It has improved things indeed. Haven't had any lock ups since installing 1.9.

My AVR600 has less problems with my Oppo now, but seems to be having more with my V+ than it did with 1.8! Getting lock-ups with that now.

 

[Anonymous]

AndrewH13:Andrew Everard:Or indeed why buy an Arcam AVR600 when any number of other receivers will do what it does...
Crash all the time?

Funniest comment so far

Actually I really sympathize with the Arcam owners. Believe new fw has improved things.



This is now officially my favorite thread!!!

 

[skr1]

Will Harris:skr1:
[Will Harris:Well it's all in the implementation of the electronics into a nice, quadruple layered, thermonuclear shielded, case, weighing 18kgs and coming with a certificate that states that the player is directional to boot. This usually adds a good couple of grand.

Can't think of the other usual snake charmers methods, but I have to admit I was astonished to see Bang & Olufsen charging 10k for a 50inch plasma with a nice shiny silver surround and a little ambiant light sensing eye. When a Kuro costs £2.5k what exactly was the B&O doing better than the best screen in the world. Oh loads the salesman assured me. Riiiiiiiiiight. You believe that you'll believe anything. Sadly, many do. It was pretty though

Once paid extra for a motorbike because it had a chrome exhaust the other model had a matt black exhaust....You always pay more for shiny bits..Note Andrews comment I think that more is going on here than a chrome..Shiny trim.

SKR1 did you pay 4 times the price for the whole bike to get the chrome exhausts? That's where I'm left flabberghasted by B&O, it's not marginally more expensive for the frills, you can buy 4 whole Kuro's for the price of one of theirs. That's another order of magnitude from your bike example. They're not even remotely comparable. Can anyone see where I'm coming from. Please don't all just do the "disagree with Will at all costs because it's Will" thing.

No to the 4x .I would not pay the extra..I have the Kuro and very happy ..But understand why some Would pay extra for the B&O. I would Not.

 

[skr1]

Andrew Everard:

I should think so !

 

[Anonymous]

Clare Newsome:
Damned if we do, damned if we don't...

If you go right back to the beginning of this thread, the OP refers to me modelling a shopping bag - highly serious from the start, then

Still waiting....