Mains leads and biwiring are total nonsense

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[quote user="jimwall"][quote user="JohnDuncan"]OK, Clare's house then. Can somebody bring a pudding?[/quote]

Mr. McAlpine perhaps?
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I'll make a treacle sponge with custard. (Or was that the inevitable insult from someone that lacks a reasoned argument?)
 
[quote user="JoelSim"]Maybe if WHFS&V can't do the test, then we should go for that Chilli after all, and conduct our own.

Where do you live?[/quote]Five minutes from the WHF office, that's all I'm saying - any more information and Keith will come round and nick my Chords.
 
[quote user="JohnDuncan"]any more information and Keith will come round and nick my Chords.[/quote]

You're OK, I'll need more of a lead to find them.
 
[quote user="Keith McAlpine"][quote user="jimwall"][quote user="JohnDuncan"]OK, Clare's house then. Can somebody bring a pudding?[/quote]

Mr. McAlpine perhaps?
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I'll make a treacle sponge with custard. (Or was that the inevitable insult from someone that lacks a reasoned argument?)[/quote]

I think your bracketed comment should use the word "about" rather than "from".
 
I think you'll find that if you use a Merlin Tarantula on your oven it will do a Class A treacle sponge and the custard will be warm and will have a real WOW factor.
 
[quote user="jimwall"]I think your bracketed comment should use the word "about" rather than "from".[/quote]

That's the second most amusing thing you've said today. Well done.

Not quite as funny as the peculiar gibberish about imperfect voltage regulators and noise.
 
[quote user="Keith McAlpine"][quote user="jimwall"]I think your bracketed comment should use the word "about" rather than "from".[/quote]

That's the second most amusing thing you've said today. Well done.

Not quite as funny as the peculiar gibberish about imperfect voltage regulators and noise.
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Sorry, can you say that again, I missed it and was desperately hoping to learn how to make a reasoned argument...
 
Hi, Im fairly new here and like most forums it dosnt take long to pick up on the 'vibe'. I wasnt going to respond to this (or any like it) post cos in my experiance there will never be a clear winner/answer.

just thought I'd post my recent finding regarding mains lead incase there are people really curious. I have just recently bought my first real hi-fi and wanted some surge protection I noticed the TACIMA CS929 Mains Conditioning 6 way block with RFI Filter and Surge Protection on amazon and for the price bought two. the first I used on my TV/cinema system and straight away I noticed a difference in picture quality now I know some here will say placebo etc but a very real difference which everyone in the house has noticed is when your on the sky programe guide page (blue background and yellow/white writing) the colours are so strong. before the fitting of the filter there would be very slight 'fuzzyness' to the out line of the text against the blue back ground espically on the highlighted text line. I wasnt expecting this to change but is undeniable to everyone who has seen it. It was a easy job to swap back to the old 6 way switch and the fuzzyness returned so its definatly something to do with the new filter. I cant explain it and I know there are other factors involved e.g. my set up other wires/cables etc but there is a improvement thats so evident it cant be called placebo.

the next day I fitted the other filter to the hifi, this was a more involved job and I also fitted new speaker cable, granite isolation boards and spikes again there is a noticable improvement that again my be called by some as placebo and it would be impossible to say which/what made the improvement but its there.

I dont really want to start puling the hifi step up apart again just to swap the filter over but I do think its part of the improvement considering the change to the tv picture

cheers
 
[quote user="GWindy"]I wasnt expecting this to change but is undeniable to everyone who has seen it. It was a easy job to swap back to the old 6 way switch and the fuzzyness returned so its definatly something to do with the new filter.[/quote]

Gwindy, hello and welcome back to our mass debate. So would you say you are a person who did not expect to see any difference, but see one anyway? Because you may be the very person we need - do you like chilli?
 
By the way, treacle sponge with custard sounds just fantastic.
I do an acceptable trifle, but sorry no sherry - my trifle is by habit child friendly.
 
How do you spell trifle? I want two "f"s but the spell checker complained. One just doesn't look right...
 
I do like chilli!!!
and no I wasnt really expecting a difference. Im fairly new to all this level of gear after a Kenwood one box wonder but it just keeps getting better, now it might be everything running in/settling down/the 'tweaks' I've made and or a little placebo but what convince's me is the TV picture - i know its not hifi but there is a difference so it must be doing something to the sound if it effects the picture. Im not expecting everyone to jump behind me and say its the proof we've all been waiting for. All im saying is Im new to all this, I really love my new system - I dont have the knowledge or experiance of most (some) on here but I noticed a difference...
 
[quote user="GWindy"]I do like chilli!!!
and no I wasnt really expecting a difference. Im fairly new to all this level of gear after a Kenwood one box wonder but it just keeps getting better, now it might be everything running in/settling down/the 'tweaks' I've made and or a little placebo but what convince's me is the TV picture - i know its not hifi but there is a difference so it must be doing something to the sound if it effects the picture. Im not expecting everyone to jump behind me and say its the proof we've all been waiting for. All im saying is Im new to all this, I really love my new system - I dont have the knowledge or experiance of most (some) on here but I noticed a difference...[/quote]
Welcome
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Frankie - ignore the hype, just listen to the music.
BTW Please don't let all this rubbish argument put you off us, we're mostly quite nice really.
 
good gosh i cant believe i havent been involved in this debate so far! surely keith you have received enough ridicule this time to admit defeat and frikin try a mains cable already!!!!! have you not noticed that everyone is sick of your uninformed, illogical and repetive rhetoric. for gods sake either come up with a some new material that categorically disproves us or just keep your mouth shut!
 
my final enrty on this subject will be this: every piece of hi-fi kit built has been assembled by a combination of man-made machines and man, using parts made by man and man-made machines. considering the scale of production of hi-fi components it seems to me that there is an awful lot of room there for what is "scientifically" known as human-error. how you can possibly expect every hifi component to have a perfect mains transformer and mains supply is ridiculous - even scientifically impossible! not to mention the fact that most manufacturers are in the market to make money so why would they bother spending extra money to make sure they use infallible parts when they can use parts that are 90-95% effective and cost half the price?!?! i could even go on to mention that every power plant has also been built by man... every power line laid has been laid by man again using machines made by man. every house built has been wired by man etc. etc. nothing is black and white!
 
[quote user="ifitsoundsgoodlistentoit"]urely keith you have received enough ridicule this time to admit defeat and frikin try a mains cable already!!![/quote]

I already have a mains cable and I'm very happy with it. Every time I switch my amp on it comes on. What more could I ask?

[quote user="ifitsoundsgoodlistentoit"]for gods sake either come up with a some new material that categorically disproves us[/quote]

It's not up to me to prove it to you. You have to educate yourself before you can understand.
 
[quote user="jimwall"]ignore the hype, just listen to the music.[/quote]

That's what I've been saying all along!!! Fancy mains leads are just hype!!!
 
[quote user="Keith McAlpine"]It's not up to me to prove it to you. You have to educate yourself before you can understand.[/quote]
Actually, you've made plenty of assertions, many if which have been extremely insulting and possibly even libelous. A little proof might be considered polite by many. You have again here demonstrated that you lack the reasoned argument you so crave from others and prefer to belittle your antagonists rather than to debate with them. I think that you are the one desperately in need of an education - in manners if nothing else.
As an aside it's been proven that people who know little about a subject over-estimate their understanding of it, whereas those who know a lot under-estimate their knowledge. Just something you might like to consider.
 
[quote user="Keith McAlpine"][quote user="jimwall"]ignore the hype, just listen to the music.[/quote]

That's what I've been saying all along!!! Fancy mains leads are just hype!!![/quote]

Okay, have to give you that one. Less debate, less pointless argument, more listening to music on those marvelous albeit poorly designed hi-fi systems.
 
Although it's obviously a matter of opinion whether mains cables are worth it to some point, as it can be hard to tell the difference when the cable is installed and the placebo effect may have something to do with lots of people thinking mains cables make a huge difference, I have heard more than one example of people experiencing a weird hum through their amps and not being able to source the problem, only to discover that the problem goes if they unplug their fridge from the mains (Including my own situation, but it was a dehumidifier) or something similar. Surely, then, the audio signal can be affected by noise in the mains path contrary to what some (Keith) people are saying? Obviously a mains cable wouldn't fix this problem and stop noise (maybe a filter would), but if the signal can be affected by noise in the mains then a different cable will have an effect? Even if it wouldn't be greatly beneficial. (Though it may well be.)
 
[quote user="Keith McAlpine"][quote user="jimwall"]ignore the hype, just listen to the music.[/quote]

That's what I've been saying all along!!! Fancy mains leads are just hype!!![/quote]

no, what you've been saying all along is that you are a pompous, arrogant fool that refuses to test your own hypothesis in case you are proven wrong! and you ignored my post (any any other post) that also proves your theory is ridiculous!
 
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