Glacialpath said:
MUSICRAFT said:
ISAC69 said:
unsleepable said:
but bad cables do alter the sound such as uncontrol bass , less details , unstable soundstage act.
Hi ISAC69
As i said before earlier in the week i was using an ATC SCA2/Hegel H30 combination (at nearly £16k) connected with basic XLR - XLR cables which were bought from a local electrical store for a few £. I still heard great resolution with low frequencies which were controlled, tight fisted and had thwack and with a rock solid (no wobble, wobble *biggrin* ) soundstage
All the best
Rick @ Musicaft
I really don't think we can be pitching balanced XLR cables against unbalanced RCA cables. Most cables in studios are balanced and the way balanced cables works negates using expensive RCA cables to achive the same result.
Of course you can argue why don't Hi-Fi and AV manufacturers make all their interconnections and speaker connections with XLRs. Cost and size would be the answer I would imagine. They know that most people will just stick with the cables supplied with their new system.
I don't know how much extra cost would be involved to not only construct everything with XLR in mind but then supply all the balanced cable needed and the terminations even if they used the cheapest components avaiable.
This is also why I don't really count "in the studio" t be any part of the argument. OUr listening rooms are not studios unless people decide to build one in their home.
I guess the best thing would be instead of spending hundreds on RCA interconnects to just upgrade our Hi-Fi components to those with XLR connections.
Every post you make seems to show another level of misunderstanding. I hate to be blunt, but you really don't seem to have a clue.
XLR is a type of connector and is not a definitive indicator of a cable being balanced.
Balanced cables are used in studios because of the relatively noisy electrical environment and their design resists induced RFI and EMI. Their drawback is a potentially higher noise floor due to the additional gain in balanced systems.
Unbalanced cables are perfectly adequate in home hifi, not having to be subject to the same congestion levels as in a studio, the lengths are also typically much shorter, further reducing the chance and levels of RFI and EMI. Interconnects are also quite often shielded. The comment regarding the need for expensive RCA unbalanced cables to match cheaper balanced cables is entirely erroneuos as it is the design of the cable that matters, not the cost.
As for not encountering XLR connections so frequently in hifi, this is usuallly true for the reasons above, but studio equipment can be used in the home quite happily and provide far better bang for your buck than hifi, being much cheaper on a like for like basis.
Overdose, do you really just read my name and then proceed to not read my posts properly?
Come on mate give me a break. I said "most cables in a studio are balanced" Then you go on about the levels of RFI and EMI. Well yes they will be much higher in a studio with all the kit in them. On a home system if you got a TV, Sky box, AVR, BDP, Active Subwoofer or 2 and if the Hi-Fi is in the same room, an Amp or 2, a CDP, Streamer, DAC....the list can go on. Though the level of RFI and EMI will not be anywhere near a studio with all the other cables used to connect up a system, if they are cheap meaning not shielded or poorly shielded, RFI and EMI will be in the system. Maybe not at a level that is significant enough to be heard in the music but to add to the list you got laptops on Wi-Fi, mobile phones, tablets and all sorts of other things so maybe the interfearence is high for the size of some peoples listening rooms. Not to mention mains noise. Who knows how good or bad any perticular home mains supply is. I bet they aren't the same, some being cleaner than others.
You almost admit screening is needed in the home and some cables do a better job than others. The fact that studios have to protect against RFI and EMI so much is more reason why we should stop comparing our home systems to that of a studio as the environments are completely different and requierments are pretty different too. Especcially if my analogy of the amount a home system generates is wrong.
Yes the cable lengths are considerably different between home and studio but you still get large clumps of cable in one place at home all potentially creating fields around themselves if not adiquately constructed so actually I think systems at home using balanced cables does make sense over having to spend quite a large sum on cables that do a good job at keeping out the RFI and EMI and machanical noise too.
Granted cables don't have to be expensive but until someone puts a cheap £20 interconnect on my system that does as good a job as my Anthem I'll be sticking with the more expensive ones. I've had quite a few different cables on my system. Some rally cheap, some probably more expensive ones (no idea how much they would be new as I aquired them from work) and the Chameleolns and Anthem have blown them all away.
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