nopiano said:
How can blind testing "catch somone out"? If the difference cannot be verified by blind testing, it would mean that, to a very high level of statistical confidence, it doesn't exist.
How can blind testing "catch somone out"? If the difference cannot be verified by blind testing, it would mean that, to a very high level of statistical confidence, it doesn't exist.
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Sorry Iceman but Overdose is 100% correct, as anybody with even a basic knowledge of electrical theory will confirm. (It’s also the reason why no professional film or music studio would touch them with a barge pole)
Regarding the write up on their website, I can assure you 100% that it is total nonsense, and designed purely to con those that have no electrical knowledge. (This unfortunately covers a large part of the population)
Bill
Regarding the write up on their website, I can assure you 100% that it is total nonsense, and designed purely to con those that have no electrical knowledge. (This unfortunately covers a large part of the population)
Bill
Overdose said:
I have just clicked the 50% off advert at the top of this page and it was for pollen filters....do these improve cables...
iceman16 said:
If the cable has reactive components built into it, then it can be no surprise that it sounds different. Unfortunately it sounds different because it has modified the frequency response of the original signal, this is bad.
Standard OFC cable of suitable thickness will allow a full frequency audio signal to pass entirely transparently. All the marketing in the world will not change this, or better it in terms of simplicicty and ability to do the job and no amount of wishful thinking is going to change these facts either.
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About two years ago the dealer offered me a home dem with TQ Blacks and I declined the offer. Afraid still not convinced that cables have a dramatic effect, except for a possible placebo overtone.
I'm a big believer in mind over matter: If you want to hear/feel a difference you will. I'm not terrible susceptible when it comes to certain aspects of hi-fi.
I'm a big believer in mind over matter: If you want to hear/feel a difference you will. I'm not terrible susceptible when it comes to certain aspects of hi-fi.
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I even took the risk pulling out and in s/c TQ is very good but MIT's just gives more of what TQ can offer..tq black seems lean and but clean and thin.. MIT's just right IMO . Sax just play as it should with some edges.
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abacus said:
I couldn't resist having a look and I'm pleased I did because I like a laugh. I love "Poles of Articulation". Simply wonderful - you can sell snow to Eskimos with the right sales pitch.
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iceman16 said:
Have you double-blind tested them? No I thought not.
Chris
PS Anything that you put in the signal path "makes a difference". However, as has been pointed out, if it changes the signal in any way that is simply distortion. Now a lot of people like distortion, see how popular vinyl is, but that doesn't make it good. If you happen to like the kind of distortion this piece of kit introduces then that is fine. But please don't pretend it is anything but distortion.
If the cable introduces distortion, then it would be possible to distort a signal you found fault with towards a signal more in line with your personal preferences.
I replaced a QED Qunex cable, that behaved like a dampener in an Audiolab system, with a VDH The Wave that brightened things up ... the way I like it.
A lot of the debates with cables could be cleared up if Hi Fi manufacturers engaged cable manufactures to produce speaker cable that was the same as the cable used inside the speakers cabinets; or interconnects that were designed to pass through the same (undistorted) signal from the source to a matching amp etc.
I replaced a QED Qunex cable, that behaved like a dampener in an Audiolab system, with a VDH The Wave that brightened things up ... the way I like it.
A lot of the debates with cables could be cleared up if Hi Fi manufacturers engaged cable manufactures to produce speaker cable that was the same as the cable used inside the speakers cabinets; or interconnects that were designed to pass through the same (undistorted) signal from the source to a matching amp etc.
I wholeheartedly agree. Anyone who has visited a Greek island will understand that you can't get a 4" turd down a 2" drain. So it is with speaker cables! Use copper and lots of it so that as much voltage as possible appears across the speakers and as little as possible across the cables. There are no baskets on hand for the toilet paper so use as wide a pipe as you can.
Admittedly my hearing is not the most sophisticated in the world but I can't hear the difference between ordinary thick copper wire and very expensive speaker cable, and neither, I should imagine would most people. Hifi has always been the territory of 'kings new suit of clothes syndrome' and there is an army of people out there ready to prey on the gullible.
The only approach that might help, in my view, is to use Litz wire where every strand is insulated from its neighbours. At high freuencies the electrical signal travels down the outer parts of a wire (known as the skin effect). I don't know how significant this effect is a 20kHz which will be the limit for the youngest among you, but it could conceivably make a difference to both those people and the household pets. By having lots of individual paths in a great number of skins you increase the cross-sectional area of the cable for higher frequencies. We use this cable in the high frequency inverter transformers where I work to reduce lossesin the winding resistance.
Foolishly and in view of the price, I had always imagined that speaker cable was of this construction but it would be seriously expensive and I can see now that it is not (as far as I know).
Thick copper is the route I take and will continue so to do
Admittedly my hearing is not the most sophisticated in the world but I can't hear the difference between ordinary thick copper wire and very expensive speaker cable, and neither, I should imagine would most people. Hifi has always been the territory of 'kings new suit of clothes syndrome' and there is an army of people out there ready to prey on the gullible.
The only approach that might help, in my view, is to use Litz wire where every strand is insulated from its neighbours. At high freuencies the electrical signal travels down the outer parts of a wire (known as the skin effect). I don't know how significant this effect is a 20kHz which will be the limit for the youngest among you, but it could conceivably make a difference to both those people and the household pets. By having lots of individual paths in a great number of skins you increase the cross-sectional area of the cable for higher frequencies. We use this cable in the high frequency inverter transformers where I work to reduce lossesin the winding resistance.
Foolishly and in view of the price, I had always imagined that speaker cable was of this construction but it would be seriously expensive and I can see now that it is not (as far as I know).
Thick copper is the route I take and will continue so to do
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