I agree better PSUs and caps etc. will give you a better sound. A £249 Sony will give you a cracking reproduction, but will a £2499 SACD player be 10 times better?Universal/Bluray players can play SACDs , Ground up Dedicated SACD players can cost a small fortune and can sound sublime
Nothing in HiFi works that way....., Unfortunately.I agree better PSUs and caps etc. will give you a better sound. A £249 Sony will give you a cracking reproduction, but will a £2499 SACD player be 10 times better?
I believe OPPO is the parent company of One+, they make great phones.I loved Oppo players and remember seeing the 'modded' BDP105D versions, with full warranty, costing £4000 or more. Madness. I have an Oppo phone and I love it.
I loved Oppo players and remember seeing the 'modded' BDP105D versions, with full warranty, costing £4000 or more. Madness. I have an Oppo phone and I love it.
I've been looking into this, wondering if I could find an old SACD player for a great price to play around with the format at home. Only problem is Blue Ray players require HDMI output & I don't have an AV receiver. That limits me to SACD players only.
Guess the easier option here is get a WiiM pro plus & download DSD files. Didn't take me long, hanging around on here before I've started getting more serious about streaming & downloads... I thought I was fine with Spotify
I think anything Genesis is dire... I can feel it in the air tonight... Oh lord.. I can.. 😂I had to check this again before replying as I wasn't sure if this was an old post from ten years or more ago!
DSD will remain a niche format - the best I've heard from a physical player, was an Arcam CD37, which absolutely shone with DSD. Unfortunately, it sucked big time with redbook. As a format, it's great if the accompanying recording and mastering are good.
SACD/DSD really had its best chances in the last 25 years. Players aplenty either in two channel or later home cinema, but the public didn't buy into it. Not surprisingly really. I went to a Sony demo in 1998 in one of Edinburgh's hotels, and it was pretty good. I've been using SACD/DSD pretty much since the mid-2000s when I picked up a Samsung DVD player that had the capability, mainly for the then Genesis SACD boxsets (which turned out to be dire, so I pity the mugs handing over £300 for a set I paid £60 for on release). That later swapped out for Marantz SA7001-KI which was a terrific player. These days, it's a Cambridge 752BD universal player and a DACMagic 200M for my SACD / DSD needs. I have several SACDs and a few downloads, but really not enough to justify big investment.
The critical thing out of all this is that format counts for nothing if the mastering isn't up to it. The Genesis sets proved that overnight. As for DSD itself, it'll stay as-is with a small band of users, while the mass market swallows up Spotify and the other streaming services. The numbers aren't even close.
Just the one it seems!🤣
How many people on this forum listen to DSD?
I'm sorry to say I had to Google it to find out what DSD is. I haven't got a computer and I never even worked out how to use an MP3 Player. I'm stuck on CDs with my relatively technophobic characteristics as a person.I am totally sold on DSD, in terms of tonality and natural smooth sound. I don't care about the science, I just love what I'm hearing. In the same way people enjoy listening to vinyl. You can argue there's a lot of wow and flutter on vinyl, all that distortion, lack of pitch, timing and instability and yet, there's something about vinyl that lures us in. Same with DSD, I can only conclude the sound is more natural, even though the noise level is excessive and this necessitates special filtering to remove this.
I listen mostly DSD512 format and God bless NativeDSD, where I am spoilt for choice. I think streaming needs to catch on, where at best you can find Flac at high resolution but it's still PCM. Most of the Chinese orientated DACs are laden with a wide variety of digital formats both DSD and PCM. Once we hit a point of saturation, streaming companies will start to exploit this, why won't they, it's profit! Imagine premium DSD512 download from Tidal £29.99 or MP3 £3.99.
I believe SACD failed because it came too late in the game and Sony's policy of closed shop probably deterred universal acceptance of the format but it's child DSD; is the cat that jumped out of the bag.
My personal opinion, DSD can't fail, MSQ is neigh on dead and PCM is the de'facto for anything digital. I think in 10 years time, DSD will become ubiquitous as PCM.
I would love to hear your thoughts on this.
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I had a similar experience switching from Topping E50 to Eversolo Z8.I did setup a DSD64 from PCM using JRiver software but my experience was a bit underwhelming. It seemed to cut the volume a bit and generally felt a bit cold.
Interesting format but I don't know if its any better than regular PCM from my experience which was louder.
Yes it is essentially direct digital stream DSD @ 1 bit x 2.8 million oversamplingDSD is also what SACDs use. (Which were the first to use it for the consumer market)
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Most dac’s including mine are more than capable of playing most bit rates and sample rates far beyond what’s available, in all honesty if you’re buying a dac today and it lasts the long haul it should last to the day I’m/we’re in the ground in regards to playing formats.I had a similar experience switching from Topping E50 to Eversolo Z8.
The Topping ASIO drivers allowed me to play on my PC pure DSD up to 1bit x 22 million oversampling (DSD512) not DOP (DSD converted to PCM).
Using the EverSolo. I was restricted to the XMOS drivers, this only allowed DOP upto 11 million oversampling. The first thing I noticed the sound had dulled and the gain was much reduced and it was necessary to turn up the volume.
Couple months later, Eversolo introduced its proprietary DSD software, which worked better than the XMOS but it was still restricted to DOP, highest oversampling was DSD256 but the sound greatly improved.
The PC isn't the perfect platform that is why I am using the JF MX Pro digital transport.
I hear pure DSD512, less noise interference and sound quality is way beyond anything the PC can muster. 😊
Merry Christmas everyone! 🎄🎄🎄🎄
I very much doubt any new format is likely to take off these days.Most dac’s including mine are more than capable of playing most bit rates and sample rates far beyond what’s available, in all honesty if you’re buying a dac today and it lasts the long haul it should last to the day I’m/we’re in the ground in regards to playing formats.
In answer to your basic question, no I don’t listen to the format, pretty much dead on arrival for me 20 years back nothing on it interested me then and the same now.
Spacial audio is probably where it’s at now and with the likes of Apple pushing the format it will probably succeed, though I haven’t heard much about it lately so what do I know
I think anything Genesis is dire... I can feel it in the air tonight... Oh lord.. I can.. 😂
Indeed, have a great Christmas! 🎄🎅And you were doing so well until you quoted a Phil Collins lyric to one of his solo songs...
In fairness, my post wasn't asking what anyone thought of Genesis' music, which is neither here nor there really, but a comment on the sound quality of the remixed sets and their SACD/DSD performance. Water a long way under the bridge now.
Just curious, but it doesn’t seem to have analogue outputs. So how does it play SACDs, because I thought they had in effect a copy protection, so you cannot ‘output’ a SACD digital stream. 🫤Sony UBPX800M2 (Black)
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This is all you need. It will play any audio and video format and codec, on any disc. It will handle anything you can think of.
Exactly my point so why the need for 1billion hz sample rate dacs that include dsd for decoding a fomate with a very niche music and applications of which is most dubiously recorded ie not really dsd at all. Sacd is an odd duck, mini disc was a way more useful format but you don’t see that kicking around 20 years on.I very much doubt any new format is likely to take off these days.
DSD downloads and SACD discs are still very much around if you want to pay for these things.