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to answer the original question it depends upon the make up of the traditional system and what constitutes an original system anyway
they may well beat an old hmy wind up gramophone though that was a great traditional system in its day
they may well beat an old hmy wind up gramophone though that was a great traditional system in its day
JohnDuncan:Oh I do like a double entendre when I can slip one in.
Reminds me of one of my favourite one-liners:
A woman walks into a cocktail bar and asks for a Double Entendre; so the barman gives her one.
Reminds me of one of my favourite one-liners:
A woman walks into a cocktail bar and asks for a Double Entendre; so the barman gives her one.
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hammill:JohnDuncan:Yes, enough of the mass debates please.That got a 10CC album banned in South Africa
They needed an excuse?
They needed an excuse?
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Callum66:Do the ADM9.1's sound better through an
external DAC like the 7520 rather than using their inbuilt DAC's?
Source will be NAS or iMac.
To be honest I have not
really done any direct comparisons between the two. To be fair though
that I don't notice much difference between them, if any.
I use it to extend my input options and it provides a headphone point.
external DAC like the 7520 rather than using their inbuilt DAC's?
Source will be NAS or iMac.
To be honest I have not
really done any direct comparisons between the two. To be fair though
that I don't notice much difference between them, if any.
I use it to extend my input options and it provides a headphone point.
Messiah:
To be honest I have notreally done any direct comparisons between the two. To be fair thoughthat I don't notice much difference between them, if any.
I use it to extend my input options and it provides a headphone point.
Thanks Messiah, Despite enjoying my DAC I know nothing about them so wasn't sure if it was even possible to effectively have two DACs, 7520 & AVI, in series without causing problems. I understand that it might be pointless if the AVI DAC is as good as or better than the 7520 but was just interested. Like you I can use it for additional inputs for the kids games console or similar.
To be honest I have notreally done any direct comparisons between the two. To be fair thoughthat I don't notice much difference between them, if any.
I use it to extend my input options and it provides a headphone point.
Thanks Messiah, Despite enjoying my DAC I know nothing about them so wasn't sure if it was even possible to effectively have two DACs, 7520 & AVI, in series without causing problems. I understand that it might be pointless if the AVI DAC is as good as or better than the 7520 but was just interested. Like you I can use it for additional inputs for the kids games console or similar.
I'm surprised this thread is still running - the OP asks 'can 9.1s beat a traditional system of the same value'. I have no experience of that, as my system was approx 6-7k, but it's still better.
If you're interested, try them out and see/hear for yourselves. I think the fact WHF hasn't reviewed them is meaningless.
If you're interested, try them out and see/hear for yourselves. I think the fact WHF hasn't reviewed them is meaningless.
Escapism:
I'm surprised this thread is still running - the OP asks 'can 9.1s beat a traditional system of the same value'. I have no experience of that, as my system was approx 6-7k, but it's still better.
If you're interested, try them out and see/hear for yourselves. I think the fact WHF hasn't reviewed them is meaningless.
Better than 6-7K system??? What did you had? and were they broken?
I'm surprised this thread is still running - the OP asks 'can 9.1s beat a traditional system of the same value'. I have no experience of that, as my system was approx 6-7k, but it's still better.
If you're interested, try them out and see/hear for yourselves. I think the fact WHF hasn't reviewed them is meaningless.
Better than 6-7K system??? What did you had? and were they broken?
Escapism:I have no experience of that, as my system was approx 6-7k, but it's still better.
Confused now - I thought the whole point was that you said your old system wasn't better.
Escapism:I think the fact WHF hasn't reviewed them is meaningless.
No, not meaningless - it's entirely in AVI's hands.
We are ready and willing to review the speakers, both in WHFSV and in Gramophone - where, as I have already said, I think they'd be a particularly good fit -, but for its own reasons the company has chosen not to supply review samples. That's not any matter of politicking, conspiracy or anything else, but a simple fact.
Confused now - I thought the whole point was that you said your old system wasn't better.
Escapism:I think the fact WHF hasn't reviewed them is meaningless.
No, not meaningless - it's entirely in AVI's hands.
We are ready and willing to review the speakers, both in WHFSV and in Gramophone - where, as I have already said, I think they'd be a particularly good fit -, but for its own reasons the company has chosen not to supply review samples. That's not any matter of politicking, conspiracy or anything else, but a simple fact.
Andrew why not borrow JD's can't he bring it to the office for you? I for one am very tempted but can't demo before hand.
Mr. E, I don't think it's not much point .... if people don't get what you have been saying now, they never will. Some like to ask questions and take no notice of the answer. It's not a conversation or even a debate, it's what I would (politely) call "a small feet syndrome!"
Because to borrow a pair from a staff member would, were it to get a less than perfect review, just stir up another hornet's nest of forum intrigue and abuse.
If we're going to review them, I either want to
- buy a pair from a retailer, which I can't afford to do
- or get a pair from the manufacturer, so that manufacturer can be completely happy that the pair supplied are to specification, haven't been messed with and are performing to its satisfaction
Notwithstanding the back-story, the speakers will get an entirely fair review - to be honest, I'm really excited at the prospect that they may be as good as all the hype suggests - and the attitude behind them will be put to one side while they are being assessed.
Ball's in your court, AVI...
If we're going to review them, I either want to
- buy a pair from a retailer, which I can't afford to do
- or get a pair from the manufacturer, so that manufacturer can be completely happy that the pair supplied are to specification, haven't been messed with and are performing to its satisfaction
Notwithstanding the back-story, the speakers will get an entirely fair review - to be honest, I'm really excited at the prospect that they may be as good as all the hype suggests - and the attitude behind them will be put to one side while they are being assessed.
Ball's in your court, AVI...
The supplier sounds like a very clever person ... perhaps he first lets everyone get all hyped up ... and also gets his reps to post anonomously on a few forums ... praising and 'hyping' them up so that eventually when a magazine does get them to review, the magazine will be 'a bit afraid' to give a bad review?
not saying that this will happen, or that this is happening, but heck, marketing is marketing and there are some very clever people around
however ... from the posts that I have read from people who actually own the speakers, they sound like really good value for money
not saying that this will happen, or that this is happening, but heck, marketing is marketing and there are some very clever people around
however ... from the posts that I have read from people who actually own the speakers, they sound like really good value for money
dim_span:The supplier sounds like a very clever person ... perhaps he first lets everyone get all hyped up ... and also gets his reps to post anonomously on a few forums ... praising and 'hyping' them up
Please do not speculate unless you have evidence.
dim_span:so that eventually when a magazine does get them to review, the
magazine will be 'a bit afraid' to give a bad review?
I somehow doubt that we'll be afraid to speak our minds if and when a review sample is ever supplied.
Please do not speculate unless you have evidence.
dim_span:so that eventually when a magazine does get them to review, the
magazine will be 'a bit afraid' to give a bad review?
I somehow doubt that we'll be afraid to speak our minds if and when a review sample is ever supplied.
Andrew Everard:Me too.
Why??? Why you want to bother with them? There are enough hifi brands out there to keep you reviewing until you reach retirement age. I am not sure why I keep peeping in this thread either although I predicted that this thread will reach at least 10 pages (which basicly has the same disccusion as the other thread that you locked 2 weeks ago!)
Why??? Why you want to bother with them? There are enough hifi brands out there to keep you reviewing until you reach retirement age. I am not sure why I keep peeping in this thread either although I predicted that this thread will reach at least 10 pages (which basicly has the same disccusion as the other thread that you locked 2 weeks ago!)
Nick21:Andrew why not borrow JD's can't he bring it to the office for you? I for one am very tempted but can't demo before hand.
JD owns AVI Neutrons (also five-star rated),not ADMs....
JD owns AVI Neutrons (also five-star rated),not ADMs....
Would've thought it might have made a good alternative feature to try out boxes like the (now sadly discontinued I think) AE22 Active's, which, although DAC-free, enjoyed a fine review, albeit more in the studio monitor mould. Those at £800 paired with a £700 DAC would be interesting to compare against the AVIs, or similar of course.
Clare Newsome:JD owns AVI Neutrons (also five-star rated),not ADMs....
Hmmm...legacy speakers...
Hmmm...legacy speakers...
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Andrew Everard:Because to borrow a pair from a staff member would, were it to get a less than perfect review, just stir up another hornet's nest of forum intrigue and abuse.
You'd just review them wrong anyway
You'd just review them wrong anyway
JohnDuncan:You'd just review them wrong anyway
Yes, I think I'll just stick to explaining the differences between TV backlight systems - I seem to be able to do that OK...
Yes, I think I'll just stick to explaining the differences between TV backlight systems - I seem to be able to do that OK...
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