Cables, mains, interconnectors and speaker cables

[Golden Ears]

So you believe in biwiring as well?

yes I do bi wire. For years I didn't. It's easier to hear (for me) differences in the midi and treble information. The bass has little if any effect on cable quality IMO I've never heard anything down there that's been so wow. There is a lot of mid to upper bass info in the mid drivers of most bi who speakers. Try running the bass driver only on a 3 way or 2.5 way design as the 2 way units that have the bass and mid in the the unit might be harder to hear,I haven't tried those speaker types with bi wiring only bridging the treble unit with a silver plated wire of good quality

 

[Golden Ears]

Thanks for the link but I don't think they stock the cable you are talking about? Yes there are many cable cos in UK that will give a free trial.

I don't know of any UK dealer for DH Labs. But if you want to see if a cable can have any effect on your system The Missing Link probably would be happy to loan you a good quality cable to test in your system. I loaned one many many years ago. I had nothing to shout about, the cable had little if any effect on my setup back then. It doesn't mean other systems would of benefitting nor does it mean they wouldn't. This is at its best subjective try you've little to. toning to lose and perhaps something to gain! It's the nature of this hobby!

 

[BigH]

So these mains cables do you use them for every part of your system?

 

[BigH]

Thanks for the link but I don't think they stock the cable you are talking about? Yes there are many cable cos in UK that will give a free trial.

I don't know of any UK dealer for DH Labs. But if you want to see if a cable can have any effect on your system The Missing Link probably would be happy to loan you a good quality cable to test in your system. I loaned one many many years ago. I had nothing to shout about, the cable had little if any effect on my setup back then. It doesn't mean other systems would of benefitting nor does it mean they wouldn't. This is at its best subjective try you've little to. toning to lose and perhaps something to gain! It's the nature of this hobby!

Thanks but that is what Im saying, you said try before you buy but they don't have any dealers in the UK, so you can't. Why I don't try them is I don't believe they will make a big difference and as I would need about 10m that will be too expensive for my system.

Have you considered active speakers I think they can make a big difference.

 

[Science Man]

So these mains cables do you use them for every part of your system?

More to the point, has he replaced all the cheap internal wiring in his house that carries the same electricity to his plug socket? Oh, and the kilometre or so of cable to the sub station? There is no reason that electricity (and that's all it is, nothing magic in Hi-Fi) would change once it leaves the wall outlet.

 

[Golden Ears]

So these mains cables do you use them for every part of your system?

i used these in the pre and power amp. I have some Furukawa Japanese mains cables in use too. I plan on having all cables changed but am happy today with the results.

 

[Golden Ears]

So these mains cables do you use them for every part of your system?

More to the point, has he replaced all the cheap internal wiring in his house that carries the same electricity to his plug socket? Oh, and the kilometre or so of cable to the sub station? There is no reason that electricity (and that's all it is, nothing magic in Hi-Fi) would change once it leaves the wall outlet.

As for the mains I've 2 Advance Electronics Transformers. The first a 1.5kw beast that delivers clean power and the second as 200w CVT delivering a regenerated sine and clean current to my system front end. These beasts won't win a beauty contest but they deliver unrivaled clean mains to my system. The wife calls them hospital boxes! They're upto military spec and not aimed at he domestic market. So I find using good quality mains cables is important as everything on that side of the transformers is clean

 

[Golden Ears]

Thanks but that is what Im saying, you said try before you buy but they don't have any dealers in the UK, so you can't. Why I don't try them is I don't believe they will make a big difference and as I would need about 10m that will be too expensive for my system.

Have you considered active speakers I think they can make a big difference.

oh well that's a lengthy run there! As for active speakers I've not considered them for home use maybe the office

 

[BigH]

So these mains cables do you use them for every part of your system?

More to the point, has he replaced all the cheap internal wiring in his house that carries the same electricity to his plug socket? Oh, and the kilometre or so of cable to the sub station? There is no reason that electricity (and that's all it is, nothing magic in Hi-Fi) would change once it leaves the wall outlet.

As for the mains I've 2 Advance Electronics Transformers. The first a 1.5kw beast that delivers clean power and the second as 200w CVT delivering a regenerated sine and clean current to my system front end. These beasts won't win a beauty contest but they deliver unrivaled clean mains to my system. The wife calls them hospital boxes! They're upto military spec and not aimed at he domestic market. So I find using good quality mains cables is important as everything on that side of the transformers is clean

Have you changed all the sockets and fuses? I hear these silver plated sockets conduct the power so much better?

 

[BigH]

Have you considered active speakers I think they can make a big difference.

oh well that's a lengthy run there! As for active speakers I've not considered them for home use maybe the office

Interesting why is that?

 

[Golden Ears]

Have you changed all the sockets and fuses? I hear these silver plated sockets conduct the power so much better?

the mains cables in fact are rhodium, gold and silver plated I've tried all. Can't say any have impacted the sound on mains cables but speaker cables I've had differences as for the hyper anal retentive measures of changes everything I, a family man with 2 children under 5 that's be a tad bit OTT even for me lol! I understand silver adds less interference to the signal. Visit The missing Link audio site they've a lots of scientific tests etc claiming to support this.

 

[Golden Ears]

More practicalities of living space and the need for stands (in he majority of designs) also I have to young children sophomore would no doubt enjoy knocking them of the stands! I moved from stand mounted speakers to floor stander when I started my family.

 

[BigH]

Have you changed all the sockets and fuses? I hear these silver plated sockets conduct the power so much better?

the mains cables in fact are rhodium, gold and silver plated I've tried all. Can't say any have impacted the sound on mains cables but speaker cables I've had differences as for the hyper anal retentive measures of changes everything I, a family man with 2 children under 5 that's be a tad bit OTT even for me lol! I understand silver adds less interference to the signal. Visit The missing Link audio site they've a lots of scientific tests etc claiming to support this.

But I was talking about the plug sockets, whats the point of all these cables if you are only getting a small part of the power from the socket?

 

[Golden Ears]

But I was talking about the plug sockets, whats the point of all these cables if you are only getting a small part of the power from the socket?

i feel little if any loss of signal transference would be noticeable. And such it would demo the job a waste of time. There are many that go that etc mile. I've gone as fat as I see fit for getting the best out of my system in the most practical way

I'm sure there can be folk sat behind this practice I'm personally not bothered about taking things to that extent. You've not got a completely blinded by science audio freak here. Only a hobbiest that is at most an enthusiast who has done the most practical changes that I have chosen through my own trials and triumphs. I don't follow a flock. Or have I any intentions to be herded

 

[pmconcierge]

Cables CAN make a difference though it often has a lot to do with the kit you are using. I have seen evidence that it would be impossible to deny. I have a 5 year old Panasonic plasma. (I know that this thread is about sound however it still illustrates the dramatic effect cables can have) I have seen friends slightly newer tv's and playing gta 4 looked completely different. So much more background detail even though they were using a similar cable. I was thus so disappointed I gambled on a chord active silver hdmi. At the time is was £110! It was probably the best value product I have ever bought. The backgrounds were now clearly visible on gta 4. The difference was starting. If you disagree then please bear in mind that I would definitely have bought a new tv by now without this cable. This may have something to do with my particular tv model but anyone who thinks that a cable can't make a difference is deluding themselves. 2 seconds of footage, with a cheap cable and the chord cable would be enough for ANYONE to see the difference. I really mean 2 seconds, though half a second should be enough! I also swapped to chord odyssey speaker cables for my cm7's and it definitely increased the transparency though not always for the best especially on poorer quality downloads. To reiterate, cables definitely 100%. No point arguing. Can make a difference. It will depend on your equipment but to say it makes no difference which cables are used leaves me a bit embarrassed for the nay sayers as they clearly have not been fortunate enough to be blessed with good hearing. And when it comes to the tv effect on my panny, you relly would need to be partially sighted not to notice the difference!

 

[Cypher]

Will this nonsense never stop ? It's not even funny anymore.

It would be great if cable discussions are not allowed anymore on this forum.

Why do these people who believe in cable differences always feel the need to convince other people ? Why ?

 

[The_Lhc]

Why are these people who believe in cable differences incapable of constructing a proper sentence? Why ?

I fixed your post for you...

 

[Golden Ears]

Cables CAN make a difference though it often has a lot to do with the kit you are using. I have seen evidence that it would be impossible to deny. I have a 5 year old Panasonic plasma. (I know that this thread is about sound however it still illustrates the dramatic effect cables can have) I have seen friends slightly newer tv's and playing gta 4 looked completely different. So much more background detail even though they were using a similar cable. I was thus so disappointed I gambled on a chord active silver hdmi. At the time is was £110! It was probably the best value product I have ever bought. The backgrounds were now clearly visible on gta 4. The difference was starting. If you disagree then please bear in mind that I would definitely have bought a new tv by now without this cable. This may have something to do with my particular tv model but anyone who thinks that a cable can't make a difference is deluding themselves. 2 seconds of footage, with a cheap cable and the chord cable would be enough for ANYONE to see the difference. I really mean 2 seconds, though half a second should be enough! I also swapped to chord odyssey speaker cables for my cm7's and it definitely increased the transparency though not always for the best especially on poorer quality downloads. To reiterate, cables definitely 100%. No point arguing. Can make a difference. It will depend on your equipment but to say it makes no difference which cables are used leaves me a bit embarrassed for the nay sayers as they clearly have not been fortunate enough to be blessed with good hearing. And when it comes to the tv effect on my panny, you relly would need to be partially sighted not to notice the difference!

i remember days of the fabled scart cable. These to had varying impacts on picture! I might seek out an active HDMI cable I've a friend with one but his is in the part of the chain to do any justice IMO I won't upset his to see for myself!

i can't pretend to know how these cables are affecting things as if you think hard it seems very impossible! Think each speaker has its own internal wiring the after your signal has arrived is processed exactly the same! The same is true of the HDMI socket into the TV lol! Insane but true, difference occur but there's no explaining how only the doubters are armed with these facts but they cannot explain how anything before them in the chain can impact the end result! That's the hardest part for me as I know I hear things but logically it would on paper be impossible!

Guess ss it's like the people who walk over burning coals! My feet would of burned off., but there's do not and we are both human! Science is a nan made concept and it has helped us advance so much,

 

[Golden Ears]

Will this nonsense never stop ? It's not even funny anymore.

It would be great if cable discussions are not allowed anymore on this forum.

Why do these people who believe in cable differences always feel the need to convince other people ? Why ?

im sure you use door bell wire and communicate with tun cans as nothing can be bettered. As for trying to convince you of something you cannot conceive as viable it would be like trying to walk on a volcano naked

 

[Golden Ears]

Why are these people who believe in cable differences incapable of constructing a proper sentence? Why ?

I fixed your post for you...

I guess the English teacher has arrived. Ones ability to converse without the need to play on others lack of ability to form a sentenance upto to your high standards is sadly something which you'll have to become acustom too to. Such is life when people from different countries communicate, the need to belittle their attemps by pointing to grammatical, spelling and indeed other errors goes to show the lack of ones ability to harmonize with others. There's hardly a person on this planet that can exist without make ping some if not all of these errors.

Back to the subject please! I'm looking for constructive not destructive I out

 

[matt49]

Why do these people who believe in cable differences always feel the need to convince other people ? Why ?

To be fair, the proselytizing comes from both sides.

Threads like this always result in a train crash: it takes two trains though.

 

[Cypher]

And the nonsense continues.............

 

[Golden Ears]

Will this nonsense never stop ? It's not even funny anymore.

It would be great if cable discussions are not allowed anymore on this forum.

Why do these people who believe in cable differences always feel the need to convince other people ? Why ?

Perhaps you feel this thread was directed at you? I assure you the convincing to you that cables make a difference is the lowest priority of mine, if you live with blinkers on and are not open to new experiences that is quite rightly your choice. You might want to consider that we are experience things differently and that there us no exacting standard to which one can get 100% the same results every time not with differing materials.

enjoy a thread to which you have an opinion as to say another persons experience is false just because you haven't had it is all but vain.

 

[Cypher]

Why do these people who believe in cable differences always feel the need to convince other people ? Why ?

To be fair, the proselytizing comes from both sides.

Threads like this always result in a train crash: it takes two trains though.

You're abolutely right. I'll stop now.

 

[Golden Ears]

Why do these people who believe in cable differences always feel the need to convince other people ? Why ?

To be fair, the proselytizing comes from both sides.

Threads like this always result in a train crash: it takes two trains though.

im im really not trying to convert anyone only open they're ears to possibilities that if they hadn't heard of would go bye unnoticed. Sure I've an opinion but this threads agenda was never aimed at the non believers it was solely a question as to if any members had tested the are Wave mains cables as I have enjoyed the little brother and wondered if the extra outlay had been felt just.

I began with only that question, shortly the question became a debate, argument, people inability to respect others senses and experiences. I'm happy except some people hear no change and probably never will. Who knows why some do. This is at least more tangible than religion!